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Mac OS X 10.5.1 Update Finalized?

Virgil-TB2 said:
Wah, wah, wah! :(

I am getting so tired of hearing this stuff about stacks. They are missing the ability to customise the icon on the top and the ability to navigate the stack. Big deal. It's already been implied that the functionality will likely be added back soon as well as the ability to use "smart stacks."
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I agree with you about the appearance issues with Stacks. I disagree with you on the functionality issue. Under Tiger, I could get to any file on my hard disk in a single click and drag. Let's see how that works on Leopard:
1. Click on folder in dock
2. Click on the folder I want
3. Keep double clicking on folders until I see the file I want
4. Double click the file I want
5. Go back to the Finder
6. Close the folder which was left open
7. Go back to the application and start working

That's a HUGE increase in effort to do something that is as common as opening a file. I do that dozens of times a day - and Leopard's process stinks.

slackpacker said:
With all the other things that could be wrong about an Operating system.... The Stack issues are really Trivial & Cosmetic.
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Not the loss of hierarchical menus. That's a major loss of functionality.
 
Small White Car said:
This doesn't make them perfect, but it really, really helps!

http://t.ecksdee.org/post/19001860

I HIGHLY suggest using these!

(NOTE that it's not a hack or a program...just icons you drop in each folder.)
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I do have to say that these actually look pretty neat, and go a long way towards intuitive interface guidelines, which the current implementation is lacking. Of course, I and many other people don't want to nor should have to tinker with the terminal - and of course you're stuck with the folder icon cluttering up the stack and its underlying folder. And herein lies my beef. Why does Apple have t take something that was perfectly good before and then completely ruin it? There's still less functionality now than there was before.

It doesn't look like Apple is going to change this for 10.5.1 but I'm hoping that the dust will have settled enough by the time 10.5.2 comes around for Apple to then admit defeat. :mad:
 
Disk Utility has to be fixed properly, and I would like the cool effects done officially (moving mouth, hologram)...
 
vassillios said:
I'm beginning to think i'm using stacks wrong as I have NO problems with the way they work. My workflow has improved and I can navigate way faster.
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I am just wondering how you use them.
In my view I will have to do extra work to make this useful. I don't care about the Dock icon, but the functionality is not what I expected at all. For example, I used to keep my applications folder in the dock. If i wanted an application I could just bring up a big scrolling list, and if the program installed itself in a sub-folder I could navigate to them. However now not all programs are displayed because grid view has a limit and if something happens to be in a sub-folder when you click on it a finder window opens.... which creates an extra step.
So in order to make stacks useful I would need to create folders with an alias to a group of applications. This is because there is no arbitrary selection... which was originally shown. This is what I expected. Why do I have to keep track of what apps or documents I want grouped together in folders first in order to use stacks. If arbitrary selection was allowed I would be able to select Documents and some apps and then just drag them to the dock.
But unfortunately this is not the way it works. In fact it looks like they combined folders and stacks which in my mind should be completely separate.
 
I used to dream of multiple floppies....

Southernboy said:
I'm sure that many of the fixes were made after Leopard went GM, but before it hit the shelves; that's the joy of having the internet. Ten years ago things had to be right before they shipped; I recall receiving a free Office update on multiple floppies :eek:
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Twenty years ago I was working in an OS development team where we shipped the .1 kit along with the .0 9-track magnetic tapes.

Once the "GM" tapes were finalized, only bugs that were so serious that you probably couldn't keep your machine up long enough to apply the .1 update were fixed by redoing the "GM" tapes.

We called it the "Mandatory Update", and it was a huge improvement over trying to get the GM tapes right.
 
zen said:
And of course the biggie, that you can no longer heirarchically navigate folders sitting in the dock.

My biggest problem, as you mention, is the ever-changing icon. As I mentioned a while ago in another thread, I have several folders docked, and use each of them for various media files while I work, plus the downloads folder and my documents folder.

As I work, download required files, shift stuff between my media folder and documents folder, the icons are not only changing each time but often end up as the same thing (ie, a Quicktime movie icon, an AC3 audio file icon). Within a few minutes I'm totally lost.

Absolutely ridiculous.
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Within each of my docked folders which are now Leopardized "stacks," I have placed an alias to the actual folder itself, renamed it "---", and sort my fnas/grids alphabetically. This keeps the frontmost icon constant as the icon of the folder (ie Applications, Downloads, etc) and also makes the first item in fan view (the alias) functionally a "Show in Finder" button.

Appearance wise it is more satisfying because now it actually looks like my Application/Documents/Downloads folder is sitting there stuffed full of stuff, instead of looking like my alphabetically first application lying on a bunch of other junk.

Too bad there's not built in options for stacks to behave this way automatically, or an option to display as a menu like Tiger used to do by default. Why take that away???
 
Please let it fix this obnoxious keyboard issue with my new MacBook. This is my second one in 1 1/2 weeks and it's cut out 8 times in the last hour alone. Ever try typing a paper when the keyboard dies every few minutes and you have to close and open the lid several times to make it work again? Yeah, it's not much fun.
 
Macrumors said:


ThinkSecret believes that Apple is about ready to release the first update to Mac OS X Leopard.

Mac OS X 10.5.1 has been undergoing testing by developers over the past two weeks, and ThinkSecret claims that it has been finalized at build 9B18. The last build made available to developers was 9B16 and was released seeded earlier this week. There were no known issues at that time.

The update is expected to simply provide stability, compatibility, and security improvements for Leopard.

Article Link
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This is good news, would be nice if Apple will be synchronizing the Leopard update releases with the Tiger update releases :)
 
MrCrowbar said:
Oh, and does anyone else feel spotlight is unusable in Leopard? It doesn't really find stuff it used to find and when I click "Show All" I get a cluttered up Finder window with different sorting.
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YES! I miss the old Spotlight window. I don't know what exactly the improvement was by going to the disastrous Finder search view, which has sucked for years.
Finder searching was already there in Tiger (although with less fine searching)!
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Finder should have been reformatted to show results like Spotlight did. The advanced search options at the top can stay.
John Musbach said:
This is good news, would be nice if Apple will be synchronizing the Leopard update releases with the Tiger update releases :)
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What Tiger updates? They're basically over aside from small security patches. They just released the "cleanup" version that accompanies the launch of a new OS. That has traditionally been the end of the line.
 
sparky672 said:
It's dead now too.
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New link back up at http://t.ecksdee.org/post/19001860

Personally, I love this! It's a fix, quite clever but still a band aid, but it's a start. Apple REALLY need to take a look at this - the idea of a transparent "tray" icon which sits over the top, while the content icons change as they normally do, is terrific. Here's my dock:

Stack.jpg


Problem solved for now!
 
zen said:
New link back up at http://t.ecksdee.org/post/19001860

Personally, I love this! It's a fix, quite clever but still a band aid, but it's a start. Apple REALLY need to take a look at this - the idea of a transparent "tray" icon which sits over the top, while the content icons change as they normally do, is terrific. Here's my dock:

Stack.jpg


Problem solved for now!
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Wow, this is really great.. Thanks
 
I hope this fixes the iCal/iPhone sync problem that's preventing events created on the iPhone from syncing back to iCal.
 
whatever happens with Stacks in the future, I hope that Apple improves them rather than ditching them completely.

In tiger in only had my Apps folder docked and used to browse it a bit like a windows start menu. This I miss.

I like my download stack though, that's dead useful.
 
dudemac said:
I am just wondering how you use them.
In my view I will have to do extra work to make this useful. I don't care about the Dock icon, but the functionality is not what I expected at all. For example, I used to keep my applications folder in the dock. If i wanted an application I could just bring up a big scrolling list, and if the program installed itself in a sub-folder I could navigate to them. However now not all programs are displayed because grid view has a limit and if something happens to be in a sub-folder when you click on it a finder window opens.... which creates an extra step.
So in order to make stacks useful I would need to create folders with an alias to a group of applications. This is because there is no arbitrary selection... which was originally shown. This is what I expected. Why do I have to keep track of what apps or documents I want grouped together in folders first in order to use stacks. If arbitrary selection was allowed I would be able to select Documents and some apps and then just drag them to the dock.
But unfortunately this is not the way it works. In fact it looks like they combined folders and stacks which in my mind should be completely separate.
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Why don't you use Spotlight? I find what I'm looking for without having to look through folders and it just involves one click once I see what I'm searching for. Just wondering....


Now, what I don't understand/like about the aesthetics of the Stacks is how items stack up. The new dock design makes it seem like it it a flat surface that is parallel with the keyboard or your desk. Shouldn't the Stacks stack up towards the top of the screen instead of out of the screen towards me? A stack of something is a pile of something, not a bunch of flat items leaning against each other. It almost seems like the Stacks designers weren't working together or communicating with the new Dock designers.
 
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