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Mac OS X 10.5.2 Inches Closer... Build 9C23 Seeded

This looks to be a major set of fixes.

I hated how it took many updates to get Tiger stable, so while I think it is shameful for Apple to have released Leopard in the state it did, I am most pleased that they took the time to do a major patch.

My hope is 10.5.2 takes Leopard to the quality we expect from Apple and not the quality Microsoft spreads on the world.

My only regret from what I have read is there has not been a serious re-think on Spaces, as there have been on other poorly thought-through aspects of Leopard (Stacks, transparent menu, etc.) I would have loved Spaces, but the implementation is just too poorly executed.

But to end on a positive note, I hope this is everything we want it to be--a release with hundreds and hundreds of bugs removed bringing us the Leopard should have given us in the first place.
 
This build will not be released until the new Time Capsule ships and also not until the new Interface for Front Row is ready.

I'd hang around until Feb. 1st or the 5th.
 
BWhaler said:
I think it is shameful for Apple to have released Leopard in the state it did
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Shameful? Really? I have used it on all my Macs (4) without any issues, and so have those I know. So while that doesn't mean it's perfect, I think "shameful" is a bit strong..
 
BWhaler said:
My only regret from what I have read is there has not been a serious re-think on Spaces, as there have been on other poorly thought-through aspects of Leopard (Stacks, transparent menu, etc.) I would have loved Spaces, but the implementation is just too poorly executed.
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How exactly would have have had it done? Whats wrong with it? I think Spaces is BRILLIANT and I actually have yet to meet a single person who uses it and does not absolutely LOVE it.
 
ncsmith4 said:
How exactly would have have had it done? Whats wrong with it? I think Spaces is BRILLIANT and I actually have yet to meet a single person who uses it and does not absolutely LOVE it.
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I have to agree with ncsmith4. Living in Linuxland half the time, I was grateful to be able to use VirtueDesktops on Tiger. Spaces and Time Machine were my top two reasons for jumping to Leopard. And if Spaces didn't work as well as it does now, I'd consider moving back to Tiger, despite VirtureDesktop's flakiness.
 
I have Leopard on an first gen. intel imac, a first gen intel macbook pro, a mac pro, and a macbook, and none of them have issues. I just need D300 support. I understand other have issues, and I feel for them. I think Leopard is a damn good OS. I still have issues with XP, and how old is it? Not that I think Apple does everything right, but I would put Leopard towards the bottom of my list.

P6
 
ChrisA said:
Realistically what will happen is the need for a dock will just disappear. Everything will be wireless.
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Agreed.
When Apple dropped the floppy, there was a big "WTF?!?" in the community.
The same thing is happening here with the Air. Dropping the optical drive, in my mind, simply indicates we are a lot closer to our "copies" of apps, OSes, etc. sitting on some server somewhere and not on a physical disc on our book shelves.

Remote Disc represents the 1st step towards an optical-less future - bridging our dependence & freedom from optical drives and supported media. We're still a few years from that concept as mainstream, but it would seem inevitable, from what very little I know about such things. Maybe?

A similar thing is happening to physical cables - they're phasing out.
Much like when those 1st iMacs shipped, with their dramatically reduced cable clutter, we're seeing the evolution of this with the Air - 1 cable. For power. I can't imagine we're not far from batteries recharging wirelessly (bluetooth, WiFi, ?) if not the entire device running of some over-the-air power supply.
 
I think for people who have the issue and the people who do not have the issues... it depends on many factors such as:

Your particular configuration and 3rd party add-ons
The kind of work you're doing
Your workflow habits

For example: Just because you can browse the web, listen to music and check your mail without problems, doesn't mean that other people who are doing more complicated things won't have problems either. I think I use my computer for FAR more than the average user does.
 
the Helix said:
Yeah, and people who have the latest high end cameras (i.e., Nikon D3, D300) need to be able to see their photographs and they won't be able to do that until this update is made available.
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Does anyone know for sure the D3/D300 will be in the build? All the rumored release notes do not show the camera support as being updated.

P6
 
newtech said:
10.5.0 was not a software update. It was the retail pressing of the DVD.

10.4.1 mon. 5/16/05

10.4.2 tue. 7/12/05

10.4.3 mon. 10/31/05

10.4.4 tue. 1/10/06

10.4.5 tue. 2/14/06

10.4.6 mon. 4/03/06

10.4.7 tue. 6/27/06

10.4.8 fri. 9/29/06 ( oddball )

10.4.9 tue.3/13/07

10.4.10 wed. 6/20/07

10.5.0 fri. 10/26/07 ( retail disc )

10.4.11 wed. 11/14/07

10.5.1 thu. 11/15/07 ( build 9B18 )

10.5.1 tue. 1/8/08 ( build 9B116? Mac Pro 3,1 )
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This timing kind of implies that on a given Friday, the team leader says:

"OK, it looks finished and it's on the server, go home for the weekend and take a well deserved break. If no one finds anything else, we'll pull the trigger on it Monday morning."
 
TheSpaz said:
I think for people who have the issue and the people who do not have the issues... it depends on many factors such as:

Your particular configuration and 3rd party add-ons
The kind of work you're doing
Your workflow habits

For example: Just because you can browse the web, listen to music and check your mail without problems, doesn't mean that other people who are doing more complicated things won't have problems either. I think I use my computer for FAR more than the average user does.
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Yea, I think I do too, but that doesn't mean Leopard sucks. CS3, Logic and FCS2, Leopard has treated me great under Leopard on both a G5 and a MBP.
 
TheSpaz said:
I don't think a genius at a genius bar is going to fix software bugs for you. Do I take my computer to him and say "There's a bug in the current version of Leopard... can you fix it for me?" Hahahahahahaha... you're funny.
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Wow that would be horrible if we had to do that!:eek:

edit: Well I shouldn't bash them cause they have been good to me thus far. Last year I got a kernel panic and was unable to boot. Turned out to be a program I was running that unbenounced to me was a debugger version and ended up consuming 29GB and filling up my HD with console.log jibberish. The genius was able to delete that file on the spot via firewire boot. Good guy for sure!
 
TheSpaz said:
I think for people who have the issue and the people who do not have the issues... it depends on many factors such as:

Your particular configuration and 3rd party add-ons
The kind of work you're doing
Your workflow habits

For example: Just because you can browse the web, listen to music and check your mail without problems, doesn't mean that other people who are doing more complicated things won't have problems either. I think I use my computer for FAR more than the average user does.
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Trust me, a lot of people use their computers hard and don't have trouble. As you said it depends on a lot of factors.

P6
 
I would love for 10.5.2 to be released today. Ever since I upgraded to 10.5.1, my simpletech drive won't mount, and I would truly love for this to get fixed. I had to try an erase and install to get Leopard on my computer, followed by sending it to a tech shop for 4 weeks. And everything I backed up is on there. I miss my music. :(

Let's hope for a release today!
 
lazyrighteye said:
A similar thing is happening to physical cables - they're phasing out.
Much like when those 1st iMacs shipped, with their dramatically reduced cable clutter, we're seeing the evolution of this with the Air - 1 cable. For power. I can't imagine we're not far from batteries recharging wirelessly (bluetooth, WiFi, ?) if not the entire device running of some over-the-air power supply.
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Not quite yet. But the next step will probably be the recharge pad instead. So, instead of a cable, you just toss your laptop down on a pad and it feeds the electricity through those. Thats well known existing tech that would fit in nicely.

Couple that with the technology already in the air and there you go. A completely cableless mac.
 
evilbert420 said:
God, these apps on Leopard are the flakiest apps I've used in years. The constant crashing (yes, clean loads and wiped prefs) of these two apps is ridiculous (and it's only these two apps, so it's not my system).
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Maybe not your system who knows, but I've not had one single crash in Safari on Leopard.
 
Leopard Crashes

garty said:
Maybe not your system who knows, but I've not had one single crash in Safari on Leopard.
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Neither have I, The only thing I've noticed with Leopard is that the occasional CD-r gets "fake" burned in iTunes and spits out a disc error.

Then again, thats what happens when you buy the discount spool at Best Buy :rolleyes:.
 
lazyrighteye said:
A similar thing is happening to physical cables - they're phasing out.
Much like when those 1st iMacs shipped, with their dramatically reduced cable clutter, we're seeing the evolution of this with the Air - 1 cable. For power. I can't imagine we're not far from batteries recharging wirelessly (bluetooth, WiFi, ?) if not the entire device running of some over-the-air power supply.
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Lay off the weed. We're at least a decade before media discs are obsolete. The Air doesn't have a drive because Apple couldn't fit it in and maintain their design goals. It is not a statement on the imminent demise of discs.
 
Photoshop fixes coming in 10.5.2??

Does anyone know if the issues with photoshop (crop tool inaccuracy, etc.) will be resolved in the latest update? My apologies if this has already been posted :)
 
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