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Mac OS X 10.5.2 Not Quite Ready Yet (9C30 Seeded)
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There's a big difference...
The difference is that every month has a "Patch Tuesday", when lots of things are available from MS.
You don't need regular service packs when you're pumping out fixes and updates every month (or sooner, for urgent issues).
Microsoft and Apple are taking different tactics with online updating - and Microsoft's way gets stuff to the users faster.
10.5.2 is turning into Apple's "Vista"....
And, by the way, did you see that Vista SP1 will be a 60 MB download, and 10.5.2 is going to be 400 MB or more?
So, a year after Vista ships we get 60 MB, and a few months after Leopard ships we get 400 MB. Do the math, one company is on top of things....
And here comes SP3 in 3/2008, right on schedule.
The difference is that every month has a "Patch Tuesday", when lots of things are available from MS.
You don't need regular service packs when you're pumping out fixes and updates every month (or sooner, for urgent issues).
Microsoft and Apple are taking different tactics with online updating - and Microsoft's way gets stuff to the users faster.
10.5.2 is turning into Apple's "Vista"....
And, by the way, did you see that Vista SP1 will be a 60 MB download, and 10.5.2 is going to be 400 MB or more?
So, a year after Vista ships we get 60 MB, and a few months after Leopard ships we get 400 MB. Do the math, one company is on top of things....
True. lol But still, we're are talking about an OS update here. When has Apple ever charged for an OS update? Nnnnnnnnnnnever. lol
And here comes SP3 in 3/2008, right on schedule.
1,2,4
Hey it's almost a fibonacci sequence for their release year intervals
I don't see why you'd need to exchange it, given that Apple hosts updates for years on their Support site. Plus, if you download directly through the support site, you burn the 10.5.2 update to a DVD and just use both the retail and update DVD for system restoration.
I can say being an early adopter of Leopard was probably not in my best interest. I've never had so many applications simply stop properly functioning with an overhaul like Leopard. But I'm glad that Apple recognizes the issues and is working hard on fixing them.
Here's to a more stable operating system!
You won't notice it if all you do is surf the internet.Yes I wonder what this issue is. I also have an SR Macbook and have had zero wireless problems....
If you use things like Skype, you will constantly loose connections, and you will notice it quite frequently.
It would make life easier without having to fumble with all the update disks I will eventually burn.
Do I have a point?
I know many here have huge issues, and some (like me) do not. Since I'm a 'casual' user, my only real gripe so far is the permissions repair issue that takes a long time to fix. I know on my C2D iMac it took much longer than my last week acquired MB 2.2
I think alot of what affects certain users is how much 'stuff' (apps and whatnot) are on their particular machine. My 'vanilla' MB out of the box has been perfect so far. I don't have network browsing issues with my 2003 server or XP machine.
Time machine actually works fine for me and I know there is supposed to be
some kind of lock to a particular machine with it, but I just hooked up my USB 500GB drive and browsed the folders, dragged and dropped data and apps and the work great.
So, I do feel bad for those of you having major issues. But not all of us do (luckily).
I am looking to 5.2, simply to see what has been either added or improved.
I know many here have huge issues, and some (like me) do not. Since I'm a 'casual' user, my only real gripe so far is the permissions repair issue that takes a long time to fix. I know on my C2D iMac it took much longer than my last week acquired MB 2.2
I think alot of what affects certain users is how much 'stuff' (apps and whatnot) are on their particular machine. My 'vanilla' MB out of the box has been perfect so far. I don't have network browsing issues with my 2003 server or XP machine.
Time machine actually works fine for me and I know there is supposed to be
some kind of lock to a particular machine with it, but I just hooked up my USB 500GB drive and browsed the folders, dragged and dropped data and apps and the work great.
So, I do feel bad for those of you having major issues. But not all of us do (luckily).
I am looking to 5.2, simply to see what has been either added or improved.
Well. this is one of those religious arguments. But have you read any of the many articles and blogs on the net reporting that SP1 still does not fix many of the reliability and performance problems that have plagued Vista since its release a year ago? There are good reasons why Micro$oft had to agree to ship XP with new systems for months after its originally scheduled EOL date.
Or if you play internet games, or use an instant messaging app... and so on. But I get the problem when I'm just surfing the internet as well.
I've only had a few minor problems with Leopard... nothing of any great annoyance anyway. I always hope for something newer brighter and shinier, but will wait.
You guys aren't the same ones b*tching about how long it took Apple to release 10.5 in the first place, are you??????
You guys aren't the same ones b*tching about how long it took Apple to release 10.5 in the first place, are you??????
As someone who was a development tester on Vista, it was not tuned and obviously ready for prime time. I really doubt this SP will bring it too much closer either.
Why you people are complaining 3 month is nothing !!!
Look Vista is a year and they still don't have SP1 yet !!!
and Leopard is not that buggy and all apps/hardware works on it !!!
If you want quality update, Be patient ! then you complain people that they ruch it !!!
To all of you saying you're glad apple is taking their time to deliver a perfect update:
I disagree.
I think they should release several smaller updates in the span of 2 months, rather than one big one at the end of 2 months. Work hard to get the major bug fixes as close to done as you can, then get it out the door. Even if the current bug fix doesn't do a perfect job fixing the problem, but lessens it, then we'll at least have a useable feature while Apple works on perfecting it.
For instance, a lot of leopard users are unable to connect to wireless networks at all, and many people who are able to connect are having the connection dropped after a short period of time. If Apple could get an update out that at least allows people to connect to their network in the first place, and or doesn't drop the connection quite as frequently, then it'd be extremely helpful.
Due to the extra work of finishing up each update to get it out the door, one partial fix followed by a perfect fix would probably lengthen the amount of time before the perfect fix was delivered by a few days. But to me I'd rather have a totally broken feature become partially working sooner, rather than the feature not working at all for a longer time but getting it perfectly working by a few days sooner.
Know what I mean?
I'm not a programer or developer, so I really don't know how the details work behind the scenes, but I do know that in the past there have been situations where OS updates have only delivered partial fixes at first, and then perfect fixes in a later release.
I disagree.
I think they should release several smaller updates in the span of 2 months, rather than one big one at the end of 2 months. Work hard to get the major bug fixes as close to done as you can, then get it out the door. Even if the current bug fix doesn't do a perfect job fixing the problem, but lessens it, then we'll at least have a useable feature while Apple works on perfecting it.
For instance, a lot of leopard users are unable to connect to wireless networks at all, and many people who are able to connect are having the connection dropped after a short period of time. If Apple could get an update out that at least allows people to connect to their network in the first place, and or doesn't drop the connection quite as frequently, then it'd be extremely helpful.
Due to the extra work of finishing up each update to get it out the door, one partial fix followed by a perfect fix would probably lengthen the amount of time before the perfect fix was delivered by a few days. But to me I'd rather have a totally broken feature become partially working sooner, rather than the feature not working at all for a longer time but getting it perfectly working by a few days sooner.
Know what I mean?
I'm not a programer or developer, so I really don't know how the details work behind the scenes, but I do know that in the past there have been situations where OS updates have only delivered partial fixes at first, and then perfect fixes in a later release.
I have just upgraded to a Mac Pro from my Power Mac (which was running 10.4.11) and while I LOVE my new MP, I have just tonight had to force quit five or six times out of Safari and around the same out of mail... and one restart just to make sure all was okay, but that was optional. A force quit under 10.4.11 (or anything going back to 10.2...) was really rare (I've probably done more force quits tonight then I did in the whole of last year). My hope is that 10.5.2 fixes these little bugs that seems to be causing these lock up issues.
I have a macbook core duo and iMac core2duo (alu.) and use skype, iChat + P2P and never had any problem with wifi at all !
My mum as a Mac mini core duo and my uncle iMac core2duo (alu.)
All on Leopard 10.5.1 and no problem (exepte with Screen Sharing over internet).
So it's not everyone affected by this problem (thanks god)
But, Leopard 10.5 wasn't delayed because Apple was making it "mo' betta", it was delayed because they decided to play with the stinking iPhone and
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10.5.2 will be released whenever the MacBook pro updates are shipping. That announcement is rumored to be soon so it shouldn't be long.
10.5.2 will be released whenever the MacBook pro updates are shipping. That announcement is rumored to be soon so it shouldn't be long.
10.5.2 has more seeds than a pumpkin
im a newb...you macrumor guys are funnnie
I don't see why you'd need to exchange it, given that Apple hosts updates for years on their Support site. Plus, if you download directly through the support site, you burn the 10.5.2 update to a DVD and just use both the retail and update DVD for system restoration.
I can say being an early adopter of Leopard was probably not in my best interest. I've never had so many applications simply stop properly functioning with an overhaul like Leopard. But I'm glad that Apple recognizes the issues and is working hard on fixing them.
Here's to a more stable operating system!
It would be even better if you could "slipstream" the update onto a new disk.
I am a programer. Given the fact that they had no know issues for weeks, they screwed up. They made a patch that is too large to get past QA. Programs get exponentially harder the bigger they are. They should have released a couple of smaller patches instead one large one. They could have released a wifi fix, a graphics fix, a TM fix all separate. They have done things like that in the past. Who ever is the release manager should be get more help.
My opinion is that this fix will fix somethings but not all. Not even close. By my count we still have 10 more to go.
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