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Mac OS X 10.5.2: World of Warcraft Fix, Still No Airport Extreme Backups

iPhone Notes, iChat and Back to my mac

The real question(s) is;

Are they adressing iPhone syncing compatible with Notes ?
Are they adressing fixes for videoconferences in iChat ?
Are they adressing the total failure of Back to my mac ? (I´m paying for this dammit!)

- Mad FatMax
 
wyseguy said:
That's not it.

Performance with Airport Extreme USB-attached disk is quite poor, especially with multiple users. It's not going to get any better.

Time Capsule uses a 7200 RPM SATA drive connected directly, no USB bridge to add drag. I think you'll see that it works much better than AE + USB disk.

In fact, you can add a USB drive to Time Capsule for file sharing via AFP, SMB, or NFS, but you wouldn't want to use it for Time Machine backups. The results would be just as bad as with the AE+USB disk approach.
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I agree the Time Capsule will perform better ... buy not in significant numbers. My reasoning is the bottle neck is not at the usb port ... but the tcp ip connection.

I also agree the whole thing slows down dramatically when there is more than one user for reasons I don't understand.
 
wyseguy said:
That's not it.

Performance with Airport Extreme USB-attached disk is quite poor, especially with multiple users. It's not going to get any better.

Time Capsule uses a 7200 RPM SATA drive connected directly, no USB bridge to add drag. I think you'll see that it works much better than AE + USB disk.

In fact, you can add a USB drive to Time Capsule for file sharing via AFP, SMB, or NFS, but you wouldn't want to use it for Time Machine backups. The results would be just as bad as with the AE+USB disk approach.
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Agreed... I was just on Apple's site and... while they aren't stating what actual disks are being used they are consistently referring to the disk as "server grade". My guess then is that they are probably using a higher end disk that is more resilient to heat and vibrations. So... not just speed, but also reliability. Most USB attached disks are cheap-o disks that aren't very reliable... they just have a lot of capacity.
 
photoshop bug

apologies if this has been covered - too many different threads on the 10.5.2 topic...

any word on whether the photoshop input field bug will be fixed in the update? [adobe acknowledges this is a known issue, but says it's an OS issue]
 
stevetimmac said:
I agree the Time Capsule will perform better ... buy not in significant numbers. My reasoning is the bottle neck is not at the usb port ... but the tcp ip connection.

I also agree the whole thing slows down dramatically when there is more than one user for reasons I don't understand.
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You are way wrong... the "TCP/IP" is not your bottle neck unless you are having problems with wireless reception... in which case it still has nothing to do with TCP/IP but rather with your wireless connection. People do huge data transfers over TCP/IP all the time that would melt your silly USB connection.
 
numbsafari said:
You are way wrong... the "TCP/IP" is not your bottle neck unless you are having problems with wireless reception... in which case it still has nothing to do with TCP/IP but rather with your wireless connection. People do huge data transfers over TCP/IP all the time that would melt your silly USB connection.
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Perhaps I do have trouble. At work if i transfer to identical spec harddrives I would say the direct USB or firewire 400 connection is almost twice faster. I'm talking about a wired 100base t network using imacs ... not even the slower wireless.

I assumed this was typical ... am I wrong?
 
wyseguy said:
Time Capsule uses a 7200 RPM SATA drive connected directly, no USB bridge to add drag. I think you'll see that it works much better than AE + USB disk.

In fact, you can add a USB drive to Time Capsule for file sharing via AFP, SMB, or NFS, but you wouldn't want to use it for Time Machine backups. The results would be just as bad as with the AE+USB disk approach.
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Again with the USB. See my prior note. Why is USB not a problem for Time Machine backups when the disk is connected to another Mac, but suddenly it's a problem when connected to an AEBS? And no speculation, please.
 
stevetimmac said:
Perhaps I do have trouble. At work if i transfer to identical spec harddrives I would say the direct USB or firewire 400 connection is almost twice faster. I'm talking about a wired 100base t network using imacs ... not even the slower wireless.

I assumed this was typical ... am I wrong?
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100BaseT has a max theoretical rate of 100Mbps, USB 2.0 has a max theoretical rate of 480Mbps, so in one sense, yes, the network connection will be slower than your drive connected via USB. :)
 
Mindflux said:
of course 300 is a lot less than 499, but so is half a terrabyte compared to a full terrabyte.

500GB drive + AEBS (which is 179, by the way) = about 300. Time Capsule with 500GB drive = 300

1TB Time Capsule = 499.
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You saved me the time and having to do the math. I thought the numbers looked funny to begin with.
 
stevetimmac said:
Perhaps I do have trouble. At work if i transfer to identical spec harddrives I would say the direct USB or firewire 400 connection is almost twice faster. I'm talking about a wired 100base t network using imacs ... not even the slower wireless.

I assumed this was typical ... am I wrong?
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iMac and Airport both use Gigabit ethernet. So... you aren't doing a real comparison.
 
bytethese said:
So I can take my external 120GB drive, turn on Time Machine, let it "do its thing", transfer files to my NAS and mount it. I have a few questions on this:

1. Does my 120GB external USB drive need to be empty?
2. If it's not empty, will Time Machine overwrite any existing files on my USB drive?
3. If/when I get TM working on my NAS, will it back up to a specific folder? Meaning, can I have normal "copy and paste" backups from my gf's laptop and from my MBP, keep them on there and still use Time Machine?

Thanks!
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Yeah, take a look at this website, it will explain in enough detail. Just make sure you read it understanding you don't have to use the external drive as the final destination time machine, it doesn't have to be empty, but enough space to save a backup
 
So nobody is willing to think that there is some low level problem with the USB->Wireless connection when it comes to Time Machine? I know the hack "works" but maybe Apple knows something about this that we don't and isn't willing to deal with the PR nightmare should people actually lose data because of it.

I don't know how the hard drive in Time Capsule is "connected" to the wireless signal, but I'm willing to bet it's faster and more stable than a USB connection.
 
lord patton said:
An airport disk shows up for *some* people? That's odd.
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I can get it to show up if the hard drive has first been used directly connected to a Mac and allowed to run a back up. However although it shows up and starts to back up I gave up after it was still 'backing up' many hours later. That was from a wireless Mac I never did try from a Mac hardwired to the same airport extreme.
 
bytethese said:
Hmm, all this AirDisk talk, what about backing up to a NAS? I have a gigabit 802.11n router and a 2TB Hammer Storage NAS array that I would LOVE to use Time Machine with. Would this be possible now or even sometime in the future?
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I'm confused by many of the posts here (not yours) because at MWSF i spent a great deal of time with the black-shirted apple TC guys, and on several occasions the (one level up) white-shirted guys. To a man they told me I could do what you're asking, if I didn't want to get a TC (I explained i had routers working just fine at two residences and didn't want to go thru the hassle of setting up new ones). Either they ALL misrepresented to me, or misunderstood TM's capabilities, or there's some confusion on this thread. Can someone clarify for me, too? thanks.
 
dual64bit said:
Yeah, take a look at this website, it will explain in enough detail. Just make sure you read it understanding you don't have to use the external drive as the final destination time machine, it doesn't have to be empty, but enough space to save a backup
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I've yet to see a NAS device that will connect via USB to the host computer (most will let you mount a slave drive similar to how the AEBS works). So, those instructions won't help since that is the required first step.

Perhaps you could follow those instructions for a USB external drive and then transfer the file that TM creates onto your NAS? I might try that with mine later...first I have to dig my old USB drive...
 
numbsafari said:
You must have an older iMac :)
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We have a bunch of brand new 2.8 Ghz Core duo with 4 gig mem. However you have been very helpful ... because i see now that if i get out of automode and go to manual ... I can specify 1000baseT. .... Now I'm getting you. Screw the solo ibm machine at our work that is 100baseT ... They can go get a usb key and transfer :)
 
dual64bit said:
Yeah, take a look at this website, it will explain in enough detail. Just make sure you read it understanding you don't have to use the external drive as the final destination time machine, it doesn't have to be empty, but enough space to save a backup
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The site/comments do not seem to address the issues I posed in my previous questions, mainly will I be able to keep seperate folders on my NAS, for copy and pasting from my gf's laptop, my MBP and an old desktop, plus the ability to use Time Machine. Can/should I create a folder for this or do I need to create another share point?
 
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joshcampbell115 said:
I'm really glad I hadn't yet bought an Airport Express and an external HD...Time Capsule is looking really good
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I didn't think AirDisk was supported on the Airport Express. I know it has a USB port but I thought it was for a network printer only like the old Airport Extreme Base Station. Can anyone verify this?
 
Airport works fine with USB HDD backup with Flux Capacitor

This app easily allowed me to back up wirelessly automatically without problems, and to restore from the disc wirelessly. No problem so far, although some warnings about when the disk is full are noted. But, when the disk is full, just make sure anything you need is saved, and erase the disk and start over.
MBP 2.4, AE, USB 500GB Seagate drive
http://www.9to5mac.com/time-machine-fix-flux-capacitor-43262455
 
Eidorian said:
Or an older Airport Extreme, cheap network cables, or on a 10/100 Mb switch...

We don't have much information on their hardware situation. Only the most recent Airport Extreme has gigabit networking.
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I have newest airport extreme ... good cat 5 cables ... 1000 gig switch ... however ... our work connects via a netopia dsl model (att/bellsouth) and that may be the slowdown ... right?
 
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