Mac OS X 10.5.2: World of Warcraft Fix, Still No Airport Extreme Backups

[samh004]

I suspect they injected the bug to force the upgrade. Remember, if it was just disabled, enterprising hackers would find a way to re-enable it. Burying in a 'randomly corrupt the data during writes' feature, and then disabling the device so innocent users don't get hit by it is much more effective.

My data is not corrupted and I manage to do daily backups to my AEBS + HDD. I have even restored from it, admittedly TM is a little sluggish sometimes reading from the drive, but it works. I suspect there are just little issues with each vendor and Apple realised this and went with a vendor that works best.

And once again, it seems likely that a fix would have to come from an Airport Extreme update, not an OS update.

I'm still hopeful it will come out, but I doubt you'll see it in 10.5.2.

Well here's an interesting thing. An HDD connected to an AEBS does not show up in Disk Utility, so how would you reformat a Time Capsule if something went wrong... taking it into Apple seems unlikely. Perhaps a firmware upgrade will come allowing Disk Utility to see the drive, among other things, and that'll change the status of backups.

 

[AidenShaw]

....if i did have to do a restore, i would just plug the disk right into my computer and do it locally.

The problem is that many people are saying that the remote disk issue is that the backup is silently corrupted. When you try to restore, either the restore itself will fail, or the restore will seem to work but the disk will be corrupted.

...but with that remote disk feature on the MBA, booting from a remote disk shouldn't be a problem anymore.

Two things....

1. The MacBook Cube Air can boot from a remote DVD on a Windows or OSX system that has the Remote Disk server software installed. There's no reason to assume that it can boot from a remote USB drive on an access point - no reason at all. There's also no reason to believe that it could boot from a USB drive on a Windows or OSX system - the DVD boot is much simpler, since the DVD is read-only the issue of the host writing to the USB drive while the MBA is booting from it does not exist.

2. We know that you don't have an MBA....

 

[foshizzle]

wireless time machine backup working

I have wireless time machine backup working, just not on an airport extreme disk. I have my iMac sharing an external drive, which I can mount from my MBP and use time machine's full functionality. As long as I am connected to the iMac over the network, I click on the time machine icon and it connects to the external disk and allows me use the program. It will also leave the disk mounted on my desktop so that my laptop will backup when it needs to.
Just my two cents, for anyone who really needs wireless backup and has an available desktop computer to do this on. (i have not read through all of these posts so if this is old new, sorry)

 

[CoreWeb]

Typical Apple to want you to buy a new product, Time Capsule, in order for this to work.

Ask not what Leopard can do for you, ask what you can buy for Leopard!

Err...

Wait a minute...



(Note: if you don't get this, watch the "Podium" Get a Mac ad.)

 

[compuguy1088]

Ask not what Leopard can do for you, ask what you can buy for Leopard!

Err...

Wait a minute...



(Note: if you don't get this, watch the "Podium" Get a Mac ad.)

Sounds kind of like the situation with vista...though I haven't really had problems in that level with both Leopard and Vista that were in the area of lack of drivers.

 

[ToneFREQ]

I just installed iTimeMachine- and it worked!

this means that there really is no bug, and that apple is blocking features from us.

Get back to us tomorrow when all of your backups fail and cannot be restored through Time Machine.

 

[peestandingup]

Well, Apple also gave early iPhone owners a $100 credit that nobody deserved, DRM-free music against the original will of the record companies, the return of menus for the dock Stack and the translucence switch for the menu in just a few months...NO other company absorbs that kind of feedback from customers as Apple.

As for the SDK, it's an obvious thing...they can't let the monster out of the bag without some control, in the same way as they do for OS X.

The reality distortion field is strong in you, my son.

-Those early iPhone adopters got ROYALLY screwed, so yes, by all means they deserved that credit (probably more).

-The DRM-free thing wasnt Apple's doing. That was where the market was moving (Apple isnt the only ones selling digital music). Steve knew it was coming & jumped on it with that letter he sent out.

-Stacks, translucents & the whole 3D dock thing caught all types of hell from EVERYONE, not just us normal users. It sucks & they shouldn't have let it out the door in the first place.

-Im gonna tell you something right now. Apple had ZERO intentions of releasing an SDK for iPhone when it was launched. Web apps where pushed HARD & they FAILED. Only then, did Apple realize that if they're gonna stay fresh in the smartphone industry, an SDK was an absolute must.

I could go on & on, but I'll stop there. Basically what I'm saying is that lately Apple seems to be screwing their customers over by nickel & diming us to death for no reason at all except to squeeze more $$ from us. The normal consumers doesn't notice as much as us Mac faithful who have been with the company for a while. They used to not pull these little tricks, well, not nearly as often & blatant anyway. Im sick of them having to be almost forced these days to do the right thing. It used to not be like that.

They're almost like Sony in a way, locking us in to their own proprietary world every chance they get. It sucks, I don't care for that nonsense. At least not to this degree.

 

[sosnow]

TC at Amazon

Has anyone else noticed that Amazon says TC will be released Feb 1st?

Apple Time Capsule MB276LL/A 802.11n 500GB Network Backup Hard Drive
Other products by Apple


Price: $299.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping.

Availability: This item will be released on February 1, 2008. Pre-order now! Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.

 

[Mackan]

The reality distortion field is strong in you, my son.

-Those early iPhone adopters got ROYALLY screwed, so yes, by all means they deserved that credit (probably more).

-The DRM-free thing wasnt Apple's doing. That was where the market was moving (Apple isnt the only ones selling digital music). Steve knew it was coming & jumped on it with that letter he sent out.

-Stacks, translucents & the whole 3D dock thing caught all types of hell from EVERYONE, not just us normal users. It sucks & they shouldn't have let it out the door in the first place.

-Im gonna tell you something right now. Apple had ZERO intentions of releasing an SDK for iPhone when it was launched. Web apps where pushed HARD & they FAILED. Only then, did Apple realize that if they're gonna stay fresh in the smartphone industry, an SDK was an absolute must.

I could go on & on, but I'll stop there. Basically what I'm saying is that lately Apple seems to be screwing their customers over by nickel & diming us to death for no reason at all except to squeeze more $$ from us. The normal consumers doesn't notice as much as us Mac faithful who have been with the company for a while. They used to not pull these little tricks, well, not nearly as often & blatant anyway. Im sick of them having to be almost forced these days to do the right thing. It used to not be like that.

They're almost like Sony in a way, locking us in to their own proprietary world every chance they get. It sucks, I don't care for that nonsense. At least not to this degree.

I agree with you on all points. Good to see someone with open eyes.

 

[SiliconAddict]

Any word on WIFI....I couldn't give less of a crap about WoW.

 

[Cyberthato]

(TC Vs AEBS) Vs Windows

My real concern is whether or not is TC going to work reliably with my windows PC (I can't get my gf to turn to the dark side as I have). I mean she can't copy more than 100 Mb of data to airdisk in a single run and I bought my AEBS just for that. I heard somewhere that downgrading to 7.something fixed the issue, but since my base station is the gigabit one I can't downgrade that far.

I even lost all hopes of apple even acknowledging this issue

Thato

 

[ppnkg]

The reality distortion field is strong in you, my son.

-Those early iPhone adopters got ROYALLY screwed, so yes, by all means they deserved that credit (probably more).

-The DRM-free thing wasnt Apple's doing. That was where the market was moving (Apple isnt the only ones selling digital music). Steve knew it was coming & jumped on it with that letter he sent out.

-Stacks, translucents & the whole 3D dock thing caught all types of hell from EVERYONE, not just us normal users. It sucks & they shouldn't have let it out the door in the first place.

-Im gonna tell you something right now. Apple had ZERO intentions of releasing an SDK for iPhone when it was launched. Web apps where pushed HARD & they FAILED. Only then, did Apple realize that if they're gonna stay fresh in the smartphone industry, an SDK was an absolute must.

I could go on & on, but I'll stop there. Basically what I'm saying is that lately Apple seems to be screwing their customers over by nickel & diming us to death for no reason at all except to squeeze more $$ from us. The normal consumers doesn't notice as much as us Mac faithful who have been with the company for a while. They used to not pull these little tricks, well, not nearly as often & blatant anyway. Im sick of them having to be almost forced these days to do the right thing. It used to not be like that.

They're almost like Sony in a way, locking us in to their own proprietary world every chance they get. It sucks, I don't care for that nonsense. At least not to this degree.

AMEN, brother.

 

[tmoerel]

Hack works

I am using this hack to connect to an AFP share on a LaCie 1Tb ethernetdisk backing up several macs using Tim Machine. It works over ethernet and over WiFi (using three different access points around the house). I have yet to find a problem with it.

That's too cumbersome of a hack .. there's a one line fix:

Terminal.app

"defaults write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1"

 

[eastcoastsurfer]

To all those people defending Apple for not enabling the airdisk, what issue could there be? TM uses the disk just like any other disk drive, so if corruption is occurring then it should also be occurring when you copy other files to the disk normally. I'll wait and see if TM starts working with the airdisk after the first TCs are released. If it doesn't, then you know this is Apple clearly milking people.

 

[mdelaney123]

Im sick of them having to be almost forced these days to do the right thing. It used to not be like that.

I hope Apple is "forced" to drop iMovie 08 and restart development on iMovie 06 HD!

 

[heisetax]

Time Capsule the only good thing by Apple at MacWorld

wow. Apple really clinched this one, didn't they. One Time Capsule please. Who knew, Time Capsule might end up outselling the MacBook Air! LOL.

In my little referred to opinion the Apple Time Capsule is the only Apple product that I will look at that was mentioned at this last MacWorld. It's a good idea, we'll just have to see if Apple does a good job when we are first able to purchase & use it. For the most part I have a gigabit ethernet network with only 1 or 2 computers needing to be connected wirelessly. My curent NAS drive only allows very restricted file names. This precludes an easy backup or storage of many files. If the new Time Capsule takes care of this problem then I'll probably pruchase one.

The new Intel MacAir is too big to be a pocket sized PDA & too small & wimpy to be a portable. It appears to be a narrow use market item.

I don't expect Apple to make their older 802.11n routers as useful as they were advertised to be until the new Time Capsule has a chance to make some early sales. That may mean that Mac OS 10.5.2 update will not fix the current proble with the existing 802.11n Apple routers.

I have a problem with 10.5/10.5.1 that I hope that Apple finds a solution for. I have many problems with my Intel Mac Pro, my ATI1600 video card & many, many video artifact lines on many windows & even on my screen backdrop much of the time. They claim to know of the problem, but know of no fixes at the current time.

The main reason that I have stopped using Mac OS 10.5.1 is that it freezes at least once a day with at least half a dozen kernel panics. FireFox just up & quits on a very regular basis. I like the print driver better under 10.5.1, but moving through files in the column view requires the mouse 99+ % of the time rather than when I want to use it. Bad design. Probably not a bug. Just like the transparent menu line is a feature, not a bug. At least they have fixed that one for many Mac Users.

Some of the problems probably have to do with the software I'm using with 10.5.1 & those problems will be like the Apple bug & feature change problems, many will go away with time as changes & fixes are down. Just like all of the other Mac OS changes, we have to wait until the bugs are fixed & the software we use is updated. As usual we'll probably loose use of 10% or so of our older software.

I'm back to Mac OS 10.4.11 until Mac OS 10.5 reaches the 10.5.5 or so level.

Bill the TaxMan

 

[CoreWeb]

To all those people defending Apple for not enabling the airdisk, what issue could there be? TM uses the disk just like any other disk drive, so if corruption is occurring then it should also be occurring when you copy other files to the disk normally. I'll wait and see if TM starts working with the airdisk after the first TCs are released. If it doesn't, then you know this is Apple clearly milking people.

There are issues with corruption; if I recall, if the connection is lost whilst data is being transferred to the Airport Extreme's disk, the computer controlling the transfer will not realize that the Airport Extreme didn't transfer the data. I believe Apple will likely fix the bug; apparently, drives connected to AirPort extremes are now showing up in the Time Machine preferences, where they did not before.

I hope Apple is "forced" to drop iMovie 08 and restart development on iMovie 06 HD!

I hope not - I really like iMovie 08. It's brilliantly designed. iMovie 06 may have been more powerful, but it wasn't anywhere near as easy (or, more importantly, fast) to use.

I use iMovie 08 and Final Cut Studio 2.

 

[AidenShaw]

could be better...

In my little referred to opinion the Apple Time Capsule is the only Apple product that I will look at that was mentioned at this last MacWorld.

It's interesting, but it has a couple of big features missing.

1. expandability
2. optional availability (RAID)

Several products on the market at not too much higher price points do allow this...

HP MediaSmart Windows Home Server

500GB model $560, 1TB $710 http://www.shopping.hp.com/store/product/product_detail/GG795AA%23ABA

Runs scheduled backups (easy to use web GUI), consolidates Itunes libraries, web server, web file sharing.

4 drive bays. Add cheap SATA drives for expansion and "RAID". If full, remove a drive and put in a larger one (system will rebalance the "RAID" automatically). USB ports to expand beyond the 4TB internal.


Drobo Storage Robot

$500 w/o disks http://www.drobo.com/products_drobo.aspx

USB drive (NAS optional)

4 drive bays. Add cheap SATA drives for expansion and "RAID". If full, remove a drive and put in a larger one (system will rebalance the "RAID" automatically).


There are lots of other small NAS and USB/eSATA RAID systems out there - too bad that the Time Capsule doesn't provide a couple of eSATA ports so that one could connect reliable storage systems to it....

Actually, it would be better if Apple would just fix Time Machine so that it works right with any NAS or USB or shared disk. Why should you need to buy Apple hardware to back up an Apple? (Dumb question, I know. The answer is obvious.)

 

[CoreWeb]

Some of the problems probably have to do with the software I'm using with 10.5.1 & those problems will be like the Apple bug & feature change problems, many will go away with time as changes & fixes are down. Just like all of the other Mac OS changes, we have to wait until the bugs are fixed & the software we use is updated. As usual we'll probably loose use of 10% or so of our older software.

It is likely to be due to the software you use. I use 10.5.1, and I experience NO crashes, and it is just as stable as Tiger (can't same the same for 10.5.0 - that was buggy).

 

[akadmon]

The new Intel MacAir is too big to be a pocket sized PDA [...]. It appears to be a narrow use market item.

I disagree. MBA is perfect for people with deep/wide pockets

 

[eastcoastsurfer]

There are issues with corruption; if I recall, if the connection is lost whilst data is being transferred to the Airport Extreme's disk, the computer controlling the transfer will not realize that the Airport Extreme didn't transfer the data. I believe Apple will likely fix the bug; apparently, drives connected to AirPort extremes are now showing up in the Time Machine preferences, where they did not before.

Well if there are issues with corruption when using the Airdisk then that is a problem when copying any files to it and not just with TM. So what Apple is saying is that a feature on our router doesn't work and we're not going to fix it? Instead, buy this new one?

 

[5wallace]

The announcements of Time Capsule mean 1 thing ... they aren't going to fix AEBS with TM. Why should they fix it, when they can sell you a whole new device to solve a problem that shouldn't need to be solved.

You are missing the point. People who want to use Time Machine wirelessly will buy a time capsule because the price point of an "N" router with a 500gb disk is more than a time capsule would cost.

However, for those who already own a AESBN, they are not going to junk it and go out and buy a Time Capsule. I know that I am not. Apple will not gain sales from preventing those who already own an AESBN from wirelessly backing up with Time Machine. Those people will not be buying a Time Capsule. They are only going to anger their already loyal customers who paid a premium for an AESBN.

The percentage of people who already own an AESBN and would junk it to get a Time Capsule is very low, I believe. Therefore, there is no point in not updating Time Machine and the AESBN to support wireless backups. The true customer base for the Time Capsule should be people that are just now deciding to get themselves an N router and had held off on buying a AESBN.

 

[peestandingup]

You are missing the point. People who want to use Time Machine wirelessly will buy a time capsule because the price point of an "N" router with a 500gb disk is more than a time capsule would cost.

Look up any 500GB internal drive on Newegg. They're about $99-$130. The AP Extreme is $179, so do the math. Roughly the same $300 when you factor in the AP Extreme, the drive & an enclosure.

Even though they're the same price now, the AP + AirDisk combo gives you a ton more options for the present & future. Storage prices come down, you may already have a drive you wanna use, you may not need a 500GB drive, its future proof, expandable, you can unattach the drive & use it on the go for other things, etc.

Time Capsules may be good for the average non-techie consumer who just needs backups, but we all know they're a bad deal overall. Backup solutions shouldn't be this big of a deal, but Apple is making it that way by what they did with TimeMachine & the AirDisk. Its backup THEIR way or the highway. At least over the air.

 

[SthrnCmfrtr]

It's interesting, but it has a couple of big features missing.

1. expandability
2. optional availability (RAID)

Several products on the market at not too much higher price points do allow this...

I knew about (and lusted after) the Drobo, but I didn't know that HP had a similar/better device available.

I shoulda just bought one of those instead of building my own RAID box -- which was fun, natch, but it's an eyesore and I had to hack in a lot of behavior that I could have gotten from either a Drobo or the HP thing.

 

[MacAddict1978]

Everyone keeps shouting about the $499 price tag of TC. That's for the 1TB model. $299 for 500 gig model.

For me this is attractive. I currently have a 120GB LACIE that I paid $200 for back in the day and am using AEXP. This is an attractive upgrade for me at the price, and probably millions of other people. I get the N and more than tripple my storage without having multiple devices sitting ugly around my living room. Welcome to technology. New stuff happens every day. Sure it doesn't benefit a lot of you, but it does attract lots of other people.

And even if they drag their feet about it, will enable the AESB+EHD at some point. They never sit well with hacks getting cred for what they should have done.