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GLView tells me that the GMA X3100 is OpenGL 2.0 capable.
So in the Extensions tab under versions it reads 2.0? Like the X1600 MBP that I'm using right now reads "Version: 2.0 ATI-1.5.30" even though under the OpenGL tab it is detecting 3/3 for OpenGL 2.1 capabilities. I don't believe ATI supports OpenGL 2.1 on X1xxx class GPUs so the version 2.0 detection should be correct.

If Apple really does fully expose and support OpenGL 2.0 on the GMA X3100, you'd think they'd promote it on their OpenGL capabilities chart for graphics developers.

GLView on my one says OpenGL 2.1 and on Wikipedia is says that x3100 is DirectX 10 and OpenGL 2.x compliant.
I don't believe Intel supports OpenGL 2.1 on any of their IGPs, even the GMA X4500. The developer datasheets for the GMA X3100 on Intel's websites still only list OpenGL 1.5 for the GMA X3100. Intel's newest drivers say in their release notes that they've added OpenGL 2.0 support, but it's not directly clear to which GPUs they are referring to. Intel has only advertised the GMA X3500 and GMA X4500 as having DX10 and OpenGL 2.0 support while the GMA X3100 has DX10 and OpenGL 1.5 and the GMA X3000 has DX9 and OpenGL 1.5. So there naming system does make some sense in reflecting their capabilities.
 
It works fine for me, no issues at all on my 3 Macs, iPhone and iPod touch.

Lucky you... Mail works fine for me on the iPhone, but I never use the online Mobile Me service; I just use mail.

Maybe I should try it again. I haven't tried to go on in a few weeks.
 
So in the Extensions tab under versions it reads 2.0? Like the X1600 MBP that I'm using right now reads "Version: 2.0 ATI-1.5.30" even though under the OpenGL tab it is detecting 3/3 for OpenGL 2.1 capabilities. I don't believe ATI supports OpenGL 2.1 on X1xxx class GPUs so the version 2.0 detection should be correct.

If Apple really does fully expose and support OpenGL 2.0 on the GMA X3100, you'd think they'd promote it on their OpenGL capabilities chart for graphics developers.


I don't believe Intel supports OpenGL 2.1 on any of their IGPs, even the GMA X4500. The developer datasheets for the GMA X3100 on Intel's websites still only list OpenGL 1.5 for the GMA X3100. Intel's newest drivers say in their release notes that they've added OpenGL 2.0 support, but it's not directly clear to which GPUs they are referring to. Intel has only advertised the GMA X3500 and GMA X4500 as having DX10 and OpenGL 2.0 support while the GMA X3100 has DX10 and OpenGL 1.5 and the GMA X3000 has DX9 and OpenGL 1.5. So there naming system does make some sense in reflecting their capabilities.

What is listed on the website isn't the hardware capabilities but the driver capabilities; Intel provide the OpenGL drivers required, not Microsoft. The hardware itself may support 2.x (2.1 is merely a couple of extensions added to the spec) but Intel probably made the decision that given the focus is on the Windows world where DirectX is the more important, it is best to allocate resources where it is most needed - DirectX support.
 
It works fine for me, no issues at all on my 3 Macs, iPhone and iPod touch.

its the same for me....

mobileme works really fine for me too
never had any problems with it... (only the downtime of the webservices)

i use it on my 2 iphones, my ipod touch, my macbook pro, my imac and my old ibook G4..

and yes, i did use .mac befor mobileme
 
mobile me works great on my pc, mbp, and iphone; but the trackpad on my new mpb is a little shoddy... would like a software fix for that, hope it's included in 10.5.6 but it doesn't look like it from the seed notes.
 
Damn, I hope they fix Mail in 5.6, it crashes very regularly on my iMac, as well as my MBP and the family iMac.
 
Would be nice if iCal changed to the correct date (if I leave my Mac on over night, it never automatically moves on) and if Mail actually hid itself during login.

Apart from that, I've not any real big issues with OS X - I've found 10.5.5 to be extremely stable, and if 10.5.6 is going to build upon that, then Leopard will be the most stable OS out there.
 
Damn I thought you mean 10.6...
:eek:

That is VERY wishful thinking.
After the WWDC only one beta of 10.6 has reached the developers, and not one server version. Usually you'll see lots of developer seedings (betas), with each new release more frequently seeded when it nears RC status. Stuff like the setup assistant, or default desktop pic usually change too during its beta-life hinting at late beta or RC status.

IMHO the GM 10.6 release will probably be more late 2009 than summer 2009. But, we'll see.
 
Either way, I hope it fixes some of the graphics problems I am having with my MacBook, though I suspect that will come as a separate update down the line.

Yeah me too, it did list "DVI" as one of the problem areas that previous seeds fixed... my main concern is not being able to use a DVI monitor without the wireless dying! Might be more my monitor than the OS/Hardware though.


FieryFurnace said:
Will there be any important improvements included for a white MacBook?
I'm new to Mac OS, so I don't know what to expect from such an update.

These updates are software updates, so they are not usually machine specific. They usually fix small items and improve efficiency... as kwood said, there might be separate updates later. Is there anything wrong with your macbook?
 
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, for the love of all things holy, i just want Mail to actually HIDE when selected to do so as a login item... it never does...

did you submit a bug report/feedback to Apple or just complaining here hoping their dev teams are patroling these forums for bug reports?
 
The Mail app has been buggy since 10.5.0 on and they still dare listed previous point 10.5 releases as having no known issues. Therefore, that the current upcoming one lists no known issues does not mean that there still aren't any glaring ones remain. One can only hope that this time is the time...

Me too. I have some mailboxes (MBOX files) that I tried to import into Mail.app, and guess what? Mail.app crashes, consistently and without fail, each time I try to import. I'm going back to Thunderbird.

PS: I do send the crash report to Apple each time this happens (three times so far). Now I've just given up on importing these mailboxes.
 
Anyone know if they fixed ATSServer?
Can't use PDFs on my Macs since 10.5.5. When Finder, Preview, Spotlight or Quicklook generates or shows a thumbnail, ATSServer takes all the CPU and the machine needs to be force-powered-off. Have to boot an earlier Version of Leopard to see my PDFs.

I've seen "ATS" on the list of focused on issues, so I'd really hope they fixed it.
 
Anyone know if they fixed ATSServer?
Can't use PDFs on my Macs since 10.5.5. When Finder, Preview, Spotlight or Quicklook generates or shows a thumbnail, ATSServer takes all the CPU and the machine needs to be force-powered-off. Have to boot an earlier Version of Leopard to see my PDFs.

I've seen "ATS" on the list of focused on issues, so I'd really hope they fixed it.

When I looked through the list of issues on another 10.5.6 seed post, I remember seeing one like that reported as fixed.

It might be your problem.
 
When I looked through the list of issues on another 10.5.6 seed post, I remember seeing one like that reported as fixed.

It might be your problem.

Awesome, thanks!

I'm still figuring out how to share a single folder on my Mac Mini's USB drive with Windows. SMB kinda works, but the permissions are all screwed up. I think that might be a bug here.
SSH (remote login) kinda works, but that reveals all files of the internal HD, too.

Copying stuff over external drives sucks... and then there's this problem with file systems... either it's incompatible with the other OS (yes, I'm aware there are plugins that work) or there's the FAT32 4GB filesize limit.
 
The Mail app has been buggy since 10.5.0 on and they still dare listed previous point 10.5 releases as having no known issues. Therefore, that the current upcoming one lists no known issues does not mean that there still aren't any glaring ones remain. One can only hope that this time is the time...

This is one of my biggest pet peeves, when it's reported that there are no known issues for a pending release, and then the release doesn't fix any number of issues I see reported on Apple's discussion forums, here, or elsewhere, or ones I experience myself.

When Apple's notes say this, it must mean no "known issues" for the subset of problems they are targeting in a given release.

No one outside the RDF (and not even the majority of people inside it) thinks that 10.5.6 will eliminate all problems with Leopard. It doesn't mean that the point release won't fix a large number of issues. But I find it difficult to believe Apple will have addressed every issue submitted to them.

I looked at the seed notes linked to in the OP. It lists "Focus Areas with Additional Information". It appears to me that they're still investigating these issues, not that they have already been resolved. So even among the subset of items they're working on for 10.5.6, they still have some issues (or let's be generous and call them "possible" issues).

For example, if 10.5.6 is released and some people working behind a firewall do not have MobileMe changes synched promptly or correctly, then it will be a "known issue" that has not been addressed by 10.5.6, even though there were supposedly "none".

Some third-party developers list remaining issues when a new release is put out. Apple seems to claim that they fix everything they know about every time, and yet issues remain unresolved across multiple point releases.

With the number of machines that run Leopard, with any variety of programs running on each, I know it would be impossible to release an update that has no problems for anyone. But certainly there are still some reported issues in 10.5.6 that Apple is aware of that aren't isolated quirks?

If I am misunderstanding what an "issue" is, or unfairly characterizing the situation, please explain it to me.
 
It works fine for me, no issues at all on my 3 Macs, iPhone and iPod touch.

Same here. Except for an early small sync glitch that was quickly resolved, I have had no problems with MobileMe from the start.

I'm betting Leopard will eventually hit at least 10.5.8, and if Snow Leopard really is Intel only, then Apple may support Leopard for longer to help out the PPC crowd.

If 10.6 comes mid-year then I would expect three more updates to 10.5. I think that Apple will continue it's historical pattern of ending development on the previous OS once the new one is out, except for "security" updates.
 
When Apple's notes say this, it must mean no "known issues" for the subset of problems they are targeting in a given release.
I think what Apple means with "no known issues" is what you say, that the problems that they set out to fix in a point release are fixed. It's very unlikely that Apple or anyone else can ever claim to have fixed every possible issue a piece of software is likely to have. All they can do is pick a set of issues that are the most severe, effect the highest number of people, is consistent with the direction of current and future OS, and can be fixed in a given time frame. Then they just fix those issues, check with others to make sure that the issues are fixed, and check with others to make sure it doesn't break something else. Their bar is probably as long as it doesn't make things worse then it passes, it doesn't necessarily make things better for everyone or everything.

If 10.6 comes mid-year then I would expect three more updates to 10.5. I think that Apple will continue it's historical pattern of ending development on the previous OS once the new one is out, except for "security" updates.
I believe after Tiger hit double digit point releases 10.4.xx and the counter overflowed, Apple changed the version counter in Leopard so that double digit point releases can be detected properly. If they are going to stop after 3 more point releases, I guess that work wasn't needed afterall.

If Apple stops point releases for Leopard after Snow Leopard as they've done in the past, I guess that'll mean they are going to stop security updates for Tiger soon after. After Leopard was released, Tiger received 1 more point release and Panther 1 more security update. I was hoping that with the increased install base of Macs now, Apple would continue supporting security updates for Tiger. I don't believe Jobs has shown OS breakdowns recently and I'm pretty sure the last one shown, Tiger was still in the majority, even though Leopard adoption was significant. Admittedly though, for Apple to remain nimble, they really should keep forcing people to keep to the most recent 2 operating systems.
 
These updates are software updates, so they are not usually machine specific. They usually fix small items and improve efficiency... as kwood said, there might be separate updates later. Is there anything wrong with your macbook?

Fortunately, there is nothing wrong with my MacBook.
I was just wondering what to expect from an update like that.
And after reading all replies in this thread, I am hoping for some improved drivers for the X3100.
 
Fortunately, there is nothing wrong with my MacBook.
I was just wondering what to expect from an update like that.
And after reading all replies in this thread, I am hoping for some improved drivers for the X3100.

Yeah me too, its pretty choppy at times. I think even my mac mini with the 950 had smoother graphics.
 
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