Mac OS X 10.5 Details?

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You can install Vista Beta 1 and see that it's far ahead of Tiger in nearly everyway.

1.) I have installed Vista Beta 1. It's a buggy mess with a contradictory interface. Here's hoping they get the virtual folder thing sorted out.

2.) Vista Beta 1 is a beta release of a product not due out until late 2006. You're comparing it to the final release of a product from earlier this year. And you expect that to be a valid comparison? You should be comparing to OS X Leopard, but you can't because Apple doesn't release hype and marketing materials a year before release like Microsoft does (and has done for the past five years).

Since when did having features available somewhere else via third-party addon make an OS less of an update? Spotlight was available in Microsoft Desktop Search, Google Desktop Search, Lookout, Coopernic, and X1 long before Tiger came out but does that make Spotlight less useful?

Those add-on solutions don't integrate at the kernel level to allow for saved searches or real-time updated results due to a notification system.

You named 1 thing in Vista (the DCE), simplified it to a ridiculous level and then failed to note where it surpasses Quartz/QE.

That's really because it doesn't. But I'm not surprised a feature due way out in late 2006 appears superior to an already released mid-2005 product. The updated Quartz in OS X Leopard will no doubt be competitive.

But to give you a list of reasons why it's the biggest update to the personal computing world in years...

It won't be. I already told you analysts expect only 35% adoption by 2008.

64-bit goes mainstream with Vista

Hello, OS X Tiger.

Completely new networking stack (compound TCP!!)

So they replaced their old one. So?

Completely new Audio Stack

Again, they moved sound to user level. So? How will this really effect most end-users?

Completely new document explorer (stacks, lots of sorting and grouping options, virtual heirarchy, metadata driven)

That's not "completely new." It's the same Explorer as before but with virtual folders and stacks. And now there is more wasted space and more hyperlinks.

Indigo (windows communications framework)

As opposed to all the other communication frameworks? Even Ballmer admitted .NET has fizzled out.

DirectX 10 (will not be on XP)

Few care except for gamers.

Media Center in every box (lots of new features)

Media Center flopped in case you missed the news.

Tablet PC and Ink support in every box (too many things to list)

As opposed to Inkwell?

Resolution Independence

Hello Quartz circa 2000. Tiger has rudimentary support enabled in a debug mode for developers to prepare for a future interface. Right now, performance reasons dictate a standard bitmap-based interface.

Database-backed Explorer (and other apps like Windows Mail)Database backed system-wide data stores for RSS, Mail, Contacts etc. (will be WinFS backed later)

Hello, OS X CoreData.

Hot Add, Hot Remove, and Hot Replace for processors, ram, hard drives etc.

Only if you have Hot-Plug PCI hardware. You're listing a hardware feature as a Windows feature.

IIS7

Haha. Apache is the dominant webserver, kid.

CODEC system (is what enables RAW support)

Wow, congratulations on catching up to Apple, Microsoft.

.Net 2.0

.NET has fizzled out, as Ballmer has acknowledged.

new color system

I'm sure end users will be lining up in the stores so they can have a "new color system." How nice of Microsoft to catch up to ColorSync.

Preview pane and Reading pane in Explorer

Wow, a Preview pane. You're right, this will revolutionize computing.

Automatic game/system benchmarking and optimization

This is also a very system critical feature--benchmarking videogames. It is with these features that Microsoft illustrates its priorities with Windows.

Hardware accelerated H.264, WMVHD, and MPEG-2 HD

Hardware acceleration depends on hardware, kid. Windows has little to do with it.

New driver models for graphics, networking, and audio

Another new driver model. Why would end-users care?

Componetized structure

Come on, you're just grasping for vague features to list now to spread things out and make it look like there are a lot of changes. End-users aren't going to care about a "componetized structure."

new codebase (windows server 2003 SP1)

See above.

Managed copy and DVD ripping built-in

I'm sure consumers can't wait to have their usage restricted with DRM.

Windows Movie Maker HD and HD-DVD authoring

Congratulations on catching up to last February, Microsoft.

Virtual PC in the box

Haha. I'm sure end-users will really care about this one.

Metro

PDF is too widespread. Metro will fizzle. It's Microsoft's attempt to attach people to Windows instead of the platform-independent PDF.

WPF/Xaml/Baml

Declarative languages are horrible for interface design because you don't know the interface state until run-time, unlike the freeze-dried object graphs in Cocoa.

Superfetch

This is Microsoft's attempt to combat Winrot through precaching. Next year's Macs will be using Intel Robson flash memory to do this even faster.

fully automatic defragging (no, OSX does not have this)

Yes, it does, during file operations.

Power-aware states

Hello, OS X.

Better memory management

This is another silly vague feature point.

Sidebar+ Gadgets

Hello, OS X Tiger.

MSH

Hello, Bash prompt for the past twenty years.

New search features

Haha. Hello, OS X Tiger.

new open/save dialogs (preview panes, reading panes, search, file versions)

Wow! New open/save dialogs will surely revolutionize computing with a preview pane and search field.

Flip3D
new Alt-Tab

You're padding the list with something twice? A 3D Alt-tab isn't going to revolutionize computing. Expose is already better than this, especially because you can set corners to activate it. Hello, OS X circa 2003.

IE7 (different than the XP version)

Now with tabs! Hello, OS X and Firefox.

built-in antispyware

Which shouldn't be needed in the first place. Windows is so poorly designed that it needs to be diapered to protect itself from the Internet.

new firewall

You're right, Microsoft's updated firewall will sure revolutionize personal computing. Meanwhile, some operating systems just don't open all those ports in the first place.

new network center and features (castles, dual internet, etc)

Most of which will go unnoticed by end-users.

updated start menu

And much more confusing. I can't wait for the IT calls on this one. A scroll bar in a Start menu...gotta love Microsoft.

new WMP

Now with more buttons and DRM!

new Photo managing app

Yes, it's a rip-off of iPhoto and Picasa.

new calendar app

Hello, iCal.

new file system metaphors

Again, you're padding the list.

New mail app

Padding the list again. Every new operating system release is going to update its internal apps, and all you're doing is just listing "new WMP," "new mail app." You're not explaining how these newly updated versions are going to revolutionize personal computing.

hardware encrpyted file system

That's a hardware feature, not a Windows feature.

lots of new UI stuff

Hey, thanks for the vagueness.

An RSS reader (part of Windows Mail)

You're right, an RSS reader is sure going to revolutionize personal computing.

External display gadgets

This will definitely revolutionize personal computing.

parental controls

Wow! This is revolutionary stuff. Parental controls.

tons of new security stuff

Hey, thanks for the specifics. Stop padding the list.

Subsystem for Unix apps

Hello, OS X.

new sync engine

Hello, OS X.

 

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new mobile device engine

Tablet PCs are a flop.

HD-DVD and Blu-Ray support (HDCP, AACS)

Which will be supported by Linux and OS X when these drives come out. More padding of the list.

new Microsoft update system

Gee-whiz, this will surely revolutionize personal computing. I wonder if they'll finally fix the confusing "Express" and "Custom" buttons that don't really give you express or customized updates.

Game Explorer

A Games Explorer will surely revolutionize the world of personal computing.

and a lot more but I think this list is long enough...

With all that padding, how could it not be?

WinFS.. yes but it'll be publically available at Vista RTM.

Sure it will.

The sidebar concept...? That's a real stretch. LOL They didn't cut anything.

Yes, they did. Even Paul Thurrott has expressed his disappointment. The original sidebar was based on the concept of XML tiles and were much more versatile. Now it's been stripped down into a Dashboard clone.

The concept of the sidebar is still the same; a place to put tiles/gadgets that you want to see at all times. That's not what Dashboard (which is a remade Konfabulator/Object Desktop/Active Desktop) does and is used for.

Dashboard is a remade Desktop Accessories from 1984. Dashboard doesn't display all the time because it's a waste of interface space when you can create a whole separate layer for widgets that allows you to display MUCH more information on screen at one time and quickly whisk them away to focus on your work.

LOL. The second you launch any app that accesses the network then you'll have open ports. Pretty much any OS X app can open any port at will. You can even be attacked by classic hacking techniques because your machine isn't running a firewall.

Sure, that's why there hasn't been a malicious OS X infection since its inception, right?

BTW, There aren't any ports open on an SP2 install either.

Only after a string of extremely embarrassing infections. Gotta love the way two-thirds of the world's computers just starting mysteriously rebooting one day, eh? Love that Microsoft engineering.

Guess which implementation can read from a custom datastore? Not Spotlight.

Neither can Vista, which isn't out for another year.

Guess which implementation actually uses real keywords? Not Spotlight.

Neither can Vista, which isn't out for another year.

Guess which implementation actually writes metadata to the files? Not Spotlight.

Neither can Vista, which isn't out for another year.

Guess which implementation can use multiple ifilters/importers on a file type? Not Spotlight.

Neither can Vista, which isn't out for another year.

Guess which implementation can correctly index read-only media, FTP sites, websites, any UNC path, networked shares and storage, Linux shares, FAT drives etc. and doesn't leave "_." files all over the place.

Windows leaves hidden files as well. You just don't see them because Windows Explorer hides them.

... uses arbitrary metadata streams...
... reads the change log of the file system...
... integrates with the file explorer and it's metadata system...
... can add metadata to more than one file at a time...
... supports user metadata manipulation...
I could go on and on but Spotlight is a rather weak implementation.

But not as weak as Windows Vista's since it doesn't exist yet for another year.

iFilters, which are shared between SQL Server 2000 and 2005, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Vista, Sharepoint, Google Desktop Search, and Windows Desktop Search. They existed long before Spotlight and it's importers did. Spotlight importers are a rather lame copy of ifilters and Spotlight lacks any of the functionality of protocol handlers.

Nobody cares if a bunch of Microsoft apps use iFilters. Windows Desktop Search is a rather lame copy of Spotlight and doesn't even update results in real-time or allow saved searches. Spotlight is based on the idea of real-time search popularized in iTunes, which Microsoft saw the popularity of and decided to clone.

Your ignorance is shocking.

Your blind fanboyism of Microsoft is what's shocking here. I must have really struck a nerve with you. It's weird how many militant Windows defenders you find these days, defending a crumbling system that still uses "installers" and a "registry."

1. Spotlight doesn't register filesystem changes. Files must pass through the kernel to be registered as a change. This makes Spotlight horrible for many network share situations.

Spotlight is hooked into the kernel to be notified by it from the filesystem. Obviously, the filesystem will be sending change notifications to any listening hooks. Vista behaves the exact same way as would any other integrated search system.

2. Both XP's indexing and Windows Desktop search read the change journal in NTFS. All you have to do is turn on "Index now" in WDS or "Instant" in XP's search and everything is indexed the moment it touches the drive.

Interestingly, in the previous point you criticized Spotlight for not being psychic and relying on the filesystem to provide notifications, and here you describe how Windows Desktop Search listens to the filesystem for notifications.

3. The option is there becase constant indexing on a laptop drains the battery a lot and because certian apps make tons of little files as they work and Spotlight will suck valuable processor cycles to index useless files. That's why some people turn Spotlight off.

Very few people do. Spotlight doesn't seem to affect laptop battery life at all, so your conjecture as to why it's an option on Windows is dismissible.

It's simply ridiculous to say that at this point. Even Quartz/QE doesn't have all the features of Avalon/Metro/DCE.

But Avalon/Metro/DCE won't be out until far off in late 2006. I could reference future Apple APIs all day long too, but it wouldn't prove my point.

Why do Microsoft fanboys always do this? It's like they think because a public beta was released, it means the product is real and already exists in functional form, and so they can reference it all the time. "Vista does this but OS X Tiger doesn't!" Well, Vista isn't out for another 13 months.

OS X still can't fully hardware accelerate HD content

Neither can Vista.

do document sharing

Neither can Vista.

edit ID3 tags, use ID3 tags or other metadata in the file browser

Neither can Vista. It's not out for another year. But hey, I'll play your game--OS X Leopard already does this!

do granular file encryption

Neither does Vista. It's not out for another year.

sort files in every view

Neither does Vista. It's not out for another year.

do system restore

Complaining that OS X doesn't do System Restore is like complaining that there's no Ad-aware for OS X. OS X doesn't need System Restore, because System Restore is a diaper solution for all those countless times Windows just breaks for no good reason.

 

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manual processor scheduling, cut in the file system, write to FTP's, hibernate, or numerous other things

None of which Vista does do either, since it's not out until late 2006. You've still got a whole 13 months to wait on all this hype you're writing!

I'm sure the secret OS X 10.5 can do all kinds of things as well, but you don't see me referencing it like it's a released product. Again, I don't know why Microsoft fanboys do this.

I mean damn, OS X doesn't even include video editing or photo management software anymore

iPhoto, iMovie. Free on every Mac. Microsoft will finally catch up a year from now.

and Tiger damn sure doesn't have Media Center

FrontRow.

Media Center PCs have been a massive flop.

or Tablet PC built-in (don't bring up Inkwell because it's not eh same).

Tablet PCs have been a massive flop.

Honestly, only a very die-hard Microsoft fan whose been drinking the marketing/blogs.msdn.com Kool-aid would consider Tablet PC/Media Center actual players in the market to compare to.

That right there are four huge sets of functionailty that Vista will have over Tiger and probably Leopard as well (I don't see Apple giving us iLife back).

Huge padded list of meaningless features that aren't revolutionary at all, most of them catch-ups to OS X. If you're honestly telling me "new Mail app" and "new WMP" puts Vista over OS X, you're more of fanboy than the rest of your post portrayed you as.

You can go back to classic and turn the menus back on in Explorer.

I'm sure all the end-users will just love having to go "back to classic" and "turn the menus back on."

It's rather trival to do these things if you're deploying images. Vista in Classic mode looks just like Windows 2000.

Then why will people bother upgrading? All these new APIs are getting backported.

I'm not sure if you can get the old start menu back because I'm using XP now but the new start menu is super easy to use. IMO the new start menu is my favorite new feature. App launching is super fast now.

Are you "super-excited?" The new Start menu is quite goofy. It still takes way to many clicks to get to anything in Windows. Clicking "All Programs" to get to a second hierarchy is so silly, and now instead of being able to shoot the mouse over to a menu item when the programs list opens up, you have to slow down even more and scroll for it. Unless of course you use the search field, but now you're just getting into OS X Tiger territory. Spotlight does the exact same thing, and I use it to launch all my apps now when they're not on the Dock.

Windows Vista and its twenty thousand different versions will flop.

 

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The list I provided is largely just stuf that's in Beta 1 and the current CTP's.

The list you provided was a joke, padded with things like "new Mail app" and "new UI stuff" and even including things twice.

Beta 2 supposedly has a lot more "end-user" stuff. At this point, there's still another 7-8 months to unveil more stuff which is kind of scary when you consider how much stuff they've already unvieled (look at my list). New features come to light with every monthly CTP.

There's not very much Vista is offering except for tweaked UIs and a bunch of new APIs being made available for XP too. What's scary is to imagine where Apple will be with OS X Leopard in late 2006 just as Microsoft catches up to mid-2005 with Windows Vista.

I mean heck, despite all those features you list, will Windows finally get a global spellchecker? What about a dictionary? Anything close to the power of the Services menu? And so on. Apple has a massive foundation of usability to build on.

You seem to think Microsoft is going to continue adding a whole bunch of new things up until release. No, they're going to refine and fix the bugs in their current featureset. These are brand new untested Microsoft APIs, so expect all kinds of holes and flaws in them for hammering on until RTM. If they kept adding new features, it would require a Longhorn Reset all over again, and Vista would be delayed yet again to deal with the skyrocketing size of the complicated Windows codebase. I won't be surprised if Vista is delayed to early 2007 for additional testing to make sure the system is stable.

Judging by the things you post here, it's clear you've been reading a lot of MSDN blogs and Channel 9 hype. Hey, are you Scoble in disguise? I know you'll probably just consider me a "Mac fanboy," but as a 15-year PC user, I closely followed the Longhorn development for years up until Macworld '05, when I finally realized Microsoft was never going to deliver (especially after they completely started over when their codebase began to fall apart and scaled back their featureset). I went to OS X and never looked back. Just not having to deal with a registry or spyware alone is worth it. For Pete's sake, Microsoft is JUST NOW getting around to reducing privileges in the default account. And we still have to wait until 2006 to get it. Geez, even Paul Thurrott isn't as dogmatic as you are about Vista ("Longhorn is a trainwreck"..."OS X is simply better than Windows, especially for power users").

That's 12 months away. You're hyping something that's coming out 12 months from now. Late 2006. 12 months. Not out yet for another whole year.

Have fun waiting with XP...

 

[oober_freak]

Edit- For those who said Sp2 firewall makes XP "secure"-http://www.firewallleaktester.com/tests.htm A good ol' 0 outta 24

The list you provided was a joke, padded with things like "new Mail app" and "new UI stuff" and even including things twice.

That's 12 months away. You're hyping something that's coming out 12 months from now. Late 2006. 12 months. Not out yet for another whole year.

Have fun waiting with XP...

Finally, common sense prevails Thank you, sir.



To the windows fanboys-

As I mentioned in my previous post, am no techie.. am an economics/finance student.. for me the most important features in an operating system are search and quick access to the documents.

I have not tried Vista, and I won't until they release it commercially... till then Microsoft's product that competes OS X is XP.

Now please don't tell me XP's search is better than spotlight! please! I had to switch to a linux distro just because I was sick of running and updating anti-virus software, firewalls, spybot and ad-aware.

Is Windows Explorer as quick as Finder? The answer is No. Plain and Simple.

Also will Vista run on my old p3 or even my old 1800+? Tiger does a pretty good job on older hardware too.

Can you imagine life without third party software on Windows? Certainly Safari, Mail and Text Edit will be preferred more than IE, OE and Notepad.

Heck Windows can't even open PDF files without third party software.

 

[shidoshi]

Yah and has been done in Windows XP.... Zip files are opened directly in the OS as folders. Personally I find it annoying so I turned it off and use WinZIP.

That's not at all the idea behind the Container idea.

For example, let's say you have a video file - a DivX or H.264 or whatever else - and then you have multiple subtitle files for it as well, each for a different language. You pack all of them up as a Container, and set the video file as the "master" file. OSX then sees treats that Container as the video file, so if you double-click on it, or open the Container in your favorite media app, it directly opens the video file without you having to go into the Container to find it.

In that case, you could distribute a video file with all of the needed subtitle files, and only have one file to pass out (the Container), making things easier to keep track of. As well, people who get the file who might not know what to look for to open the video if the folder has a bunch of subtitle files hanging around as well have no confusion. That was the point of the website example that I gave - if I want to show somebody a website, and give them a folder full of stuff, if they aren't up on how websites work, they might have no idea to go searching for "index.html." I put the website into a Container, set the master file as the main HTML file, and give it to the client or whomever. One file, so no confusion, and when the open that file, it does exactly what it needs to do to let them see the website.

The idea is sort of like how Mac OS X does applications - they are technically folders, but they come off looking like one single file that gets you to where you need to be while containing all of the support documents. Same idea here, but for files, not applications. However, the added ability would be to pack in multiple kinds of documents as a sort of "collection" without a master file, distribute just that one file, and have the OS know what parts can be opened with what. In contrast to a Zip file, even if the OS can open it directly like a folder, you still need to know what kind of file is what once you get in there.

 

[SiliconAddict]

I don't see why you think Vista will be on 10.0 level of bugginess. Win2k, XP, and 2k3 were all very solid releases with exception to XP's default config (firewall off, weird services on, etc). Even with XP (pre-SP1) all you needed to do was turn on the firewall before you connected to the net and use something other than IE and you were fine. That config is even fairly safe today.
Win2k3 was nothing short of an awesome release on all fronts. It's extremely fast, stable, light, and extremely secure (even more so than popular linux distros and Apache 2.0).
Vista Beta 1 was much more stable than XP Beta 1 was and Vista runs faster on my system than XP does. I agree the new Explorer is kinda weird but I love it's flexibilty and power. The 5219 build really showcased how much more functionality the Document Explorer and Vista Search have over Tiger and Spotlight.

Dude. I'm RUNNING Vista 1 on a secondary 40GB hard drive at home and I can tell you that I'm having crashes on my apps left and right. Try loading Office 2003 and work with it for a day or two. I don't know how but office itself is crashing the OS. We won't even talk about games but to be fair I wouldn't expect Direct X games to be stable at this point until DX10 is delivered. So I stopped using it about a week after install. We'll see where its at on Beta 2.
The reason I expect Vista to be buggy is simple. They ARE rushing the OS. Like it or not its been just over a year since they dropped the base code they were working with and started using Windows 2003 base code. Now I have no problems with Windows 2003. It a solid OS. But when you start from scratch 2.5 years before release with how many million lines of code? Practically speaking. Vista isn't going to be a happy OS for at least 6 months IMHO. But we will see. I'm not an Apple fanboy or a Microsoft Fanboy. I want MS to release a good OS. I want Apple to release a REALLY good OS. I want linux....hell I just want Linux to release an easy OS.

 

[SiliconAddict]

That's not at all the idea behind the Container idea.

For example, let's say you have a video file - a DivX or H.264 or whatever else - and then you have multiple subtitle files for it as well, each for a different language. You pack all of them up as a Container, and set the video file as the "master" file. OSX then sees treats that Container as the video file, so if you double-click on it, or open the Container in your favorite media app, it directly opens the video file without you having to go into the Container to find it.

In that case, you could distribute a video file with all of the needed subtitle files, and only have one file to pass out (the Container), making things easier to keep track of. As well, people who get the file who might not know what to look for to open the video if the folder has a bunch of subtitle files hanging around as well have no confusion. That was the point of the website example that I gave - if I want to show somebody a website, and give them a folder full of stuff, if they aren't up on how websites work, they might have no idea to go searching for "index.html." I put the website into a Container, set the master file as the main HTML file, and give it to the client or whomever. One file, so no confusion, and when the open that file, it does exactly what it needs to do to let them see the website.

The idea is sort of like how Mac OS X does applications - they are technically folders, but they come off looking like one single file that gets you to where you need to be while containing all of the support documents. Same idea here, but for files, not applications. However, the added ability would be to pack in multiple kinds of documents as a sort of "collection" without a master file, distribute just that one file, and have the OS know what parts can be opened with what. In contrast to a Zip file, even if the OS can open it directly like a folder, you still need to know what kind of file is what once you get in there.

Ahh I see. So it would be similar to a zipped EXE in windows that can contain multiple files (Example would be a stand alone flash exe that also contains the content.) but in this case it’s a data type instead of simply an application. What it sounds like you are talking about is data compiling. Where in an application you compile the code into a self-executable in this case you are compiling your content. You should e-mail Apple.
The only question is how to allow other OS's to "know" what to do with these files but in those cases it would simply be a matter of bundling it into a feature of Quicktime for Windows. Hmm.

 

[shidoshi]

The only question is how to allow other OS's to "know" what to do with these files but in those cases it would simply be a matter of bundling it into a feature of Quicktime for Windows. Hmm.

Probably the easiest way to do it is to have it be kind of an "advanced" folder - have it be like a regular folder that can have a certain flag set. On OSX, the Finder would see it as a Container, because of that flag, and treat it as so. Send that Container to a Windows or Linux machine, and it would show as a regular old folder.

Or, maybe it could be done by making the Container be just a regular old zip file, but with a special "tag" file or something inside it. 10.5 Finder scans the zip file, sees that tag, and then treats it as a Container.

It wouldn't be the best solution, but I'm not sure of an easy way to have it work the same way all across the board without Apple providing plug-ins for other OSes, which I guess they could do.

 

[seashellz]

How about a freaking package removal tool? A TON of apps are being installed with packages these days, and there is no way to remove them without some 3rd party hack or riskscrewing everything up.

How can OSX Claim to be the most advanced Operating System with simple things such as 'uninstallation of applications' missing? Come on!! PLEASE???

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There is a nice 'lil app called EASYFIND-and it does a complete search without all the nonsense, of the whole system, like you used to be able to do in Panther.
Want to get rid of EVERY LAST SCRAP OF NORTON?
Type "Norton" (and all other words associated,ie: NUM, NAV, Speedisc, etc)
and bingo- a REAL search and list-not metadata or Spotlights convoluted scheme where it finds SOME of the files-but ALL of them-then you just delete-visible and invisible.
Works for me.

 

[i_am_a_cow]

TRUE THAT!

I removed iWork when I purchased my Mac cuz I didn't need it - now I want it, but it won't let me load it because it says that one or more 'files associated with iWork' remain on my computer....

Spotlight can't find them...Apple store had no idea what to do....

You need to take iWork's receipt packages out of your receipt folder!!! It's in the Library folder.

If anyone wants OS X to be more task based then I would like to punch them. Similarly, if Apple makes OS X more task based I will probably slit my throat.

And another thing, Spotlight doesn't find everything and it pisses me off. I have had experiences where I know a file is there and spotlight can't find it. I will copy text directly out of a file and it won't show up in spotlight.

 

[sjk]

Have you considered taking an anger-break away from your computer, i_am_a_cow?

 

[cantthinkofone]

Open up Keychain Access. (/Applications/Utilities)
Go to Keychain->Preferences
Choose "Show Status in Menu Bar"

You can lock the screen there. Nifty, eh?

That is f'n nifty. i had no idea that was there. I know about the fast user switching, i use it when a windows user walks by when i take the G5 places, but the best computer to lug around, but i dont have the ibook i want yet. It does turn heads and looks nice, altho its a bit slow even on this G5 than what i saw in the demo.

 

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

OS X is amazing...but Vista is good, for Microsoft, anyway

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Please stop saying Tablet PCs and Media Centers are a flop - yeah, they have sold less than expected - however, when they are combined, they own a larger percentage of computer market than APPLE.

And the list - although i agree, was awfully padded - is hardly as padded as your responses....

 

[Chef Medeski]

Please stop saying Tablet PCs and Media Centers are a flop - yeah, they have sold less than expected - however, when they are combined, they own a larger percentage of computer market than APPLE.

And the list - although i agree, was awfully padded - is hardly as padded as your responses....

Tablet PCs were a flop b/c instead of doing what they were supposed to, change the world and the way you work on a laptop they merely added a Notepad feature which no one cared for since it was just as light to carry around a yellow pad with your computer. If they could have added some intuity into these computers maybe they would have taken off. That is a flop my friend. Apple isn't out to change the laptop as we know it, that is why it has such a small %. Yet, when they changed how we listened to music, they captured a huge market.

 

[cloud 9]

When 5 Tiger users are complaining (In a range from "yah its kind of flaky" to "I uninstalled it because its so bad".) about the OS it’s a pretty good indication that there is trouble in Tigerland.

that's hilarious! if 5 people tell you to give me all your money will you give it to me?
no, 5 people is nothing for an OS used by millions (i think) at least a lot...
and they are especially nothing on this forum.These forums are a kingdom of criticising, whining and bitching, it's more of a record when only five people complain.
You should sheck the mac rumors news: there are always people hitting on the negativity button, even when the news is really really good for Apple and for us.

Oh and i Heart the Finder!

 

[Fukui]

Probably the easiest way to do it is to have it be kind of an "advanced" folder - have it be like a regular folder that can have a certain flag set. On OSX, the Finder would see it as a Container, because of that flag, and treat it as so. Send that Container to a Windows or Linux machine, and it would show as a regular old folder.

Ummm, this is how its always worked.
Why don't you right click a keynote or a pages file and choose "Show Package Contents," theres your container. Each folder has a special bit called the "Bundle Bit" turn this on and a folder appears as a file. Name a folder with .app or .bundle and you also get an instant container.

This stuff has been around since the late 80's in Nexstep (where OS X came from), so this is in no way "new."

 

[freiheit]

Then I guess you are rather uninformed about windows. Read the thread: "What do you want to see in Leopard" and you'd be surprised how many basic functionalities are still not implemented in Mac OS X that already have been in win 95 / 98 and beyond. I have 7 in the top of my head without much advanced experience in OS X yet.

That's okay, because I can list at least 7 things that were in IBM's OS/2 Warp in 1994 that still aren't in Windows XP but which were immensely helpful in everyday use of a PC. Better yet, when I let a Windows using friend of mine use my OS/2 PC (in late 1996) the first thing he said was "Microsoft copied this!" and yet they still haven't gotten it right.

For me, at this point in time, MacOS X 10.4(.2) is the best current-version operating system available. Yeah I still use Windows (2000, because I got sick of XP's issues after 2 weeks with it) and it's been amazingly stable for me, but it lacks so much in the usability department that I frequently find myself trying to do things in Windows that I do all the time on the Mac and having to stop to wonder why it isn't working (Expose is a big example here -- something I understand is "expected" for Vista in late 2006 but has been a part of MacOS X since late 2003).

 

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

Tablet PCs were a flop b/c instead of doing what they were supposed to, change the world and the way you work on a laptop they merely added a Notepad feature which no one cared for since it was just as light to carry around a yellow pad with your computer. If they could have added some intuity into these computers maybe they would have taken off. That is a flop my friend. Apple isn't out to change the laptop as we know it, that is why it has such a small %. Yet, when they changed how we listened to music, they captured a huge market.

Absolutely agreed - however, the other guy made it sound as if they were unprofitable and a complete waste of time

 

[cyberone]

I personally can't wait until I get an Intel based Powerbook, so I run Leopard and load up Vista for any critical windows compatibility issues.

- Kelson

now if we only knew this was possible ...

after much contemplation I decided to wait for the intel PB as well - not an easy decision when such a nice new 17er is available.

but I guess its technology is kind of obsolete ...

 

[shidoshi]

Ummm, this is how its always worked.
Why don't you right click a keynote or a pages file and choose "Show Package Contents," theres your container. Each folder has a special bit called the "Bundle Bit" turn this on and a folder appears as a file. Name a folder with .app or .bundle and you also get an instant container.

This stuff has been around since the late 80's in Nexstep (where OS X came from), so this is in no way "new."

First, I didn't claim it to be "new."

Second, did you actually read the page I made talking about what Containers would be for? Because, if you can do that now under Mac OS X, I'd love for you to show me how.

 

[Compulsive]

Well another I love mac OSX reply.

I have been using OSX since the public Beta (which was a train wreck)
the only thing funny about it is that OSXbeta worked about as well as the competition which was i think Windows ME.......

Only the Beta was a lot more stable and even with kernel panics my system still crashed less than my windows machine.

Lets be Honest here we really have everthing to gain by telling Ballmer how ****** there software has been, if u truly believe that windows is and was were is should be then your obviously medicated.

Of course many say that MacOSX is not were it is or should be as well, but what we do have is hard not to tout,
We are not swamped with malware, and viruses, and we have fully protected memory....
something it seems windows is always yelling about and yet my system still crashes COMPLETELY about 2 times a month compared to 2-3 times a year with MACOSX if that.

Microsoft has lost the Golden Age it enjoyed.

there is so much competition now that is finally giving us what we want, and microsoft is yelling and screaming "look how we just implemented what everyone wants"
only thing is we already have it from another source...

I think we can finally count in Microsoft to truly innovate, if they can read the writing on the wall.

I hope they do, with there market share they are one of the reasons that companies have to spend so much time, effort, and $ to get hardware and software to work together. I mean jeez how many times do you have to install THE BLOODY OS to get it TO WORK anyway.

THIS IS STILL A ONGOING EVERYDAY PROCEDURE WITH WINDOWS
"well just reinstall it...."

I for one dont think osX is perfect by far, but it seems to be the smaller things that we are waiting on now.

Compulsive

 

[Fukui]

First, I didn't claim it to be "new."

Second, did you actually read the page I made talking about what Containers would be for? Because, if you can do that now under Mac OS X, I'd love for you to show me how.

Yes, I read it, pretty cool if you ask me.

What I was commenting on was a way to make a folder look like a file already exists in OS X, and has existed for aloooong time. Thats all.

If one programed in Cocoa and had the file type as a bundle, it could be done in maybe 10 minutes if you were really really experienced. Most bundles can have an info.plist file inside which can link to the contained items, and have the "root" file specified, like in you mock-up, if it was system wide, all that would be needed was for the info.plist to be parsed by the system or finder and pass it to the destination application.

IOW, the foundation to do what you want has been there for a long time, just that no one's done it.

Its a great idea.

 

[bousozoku]

Am I the only one who thinks Tiger isn't terrible?

It's not terrible at all, but it is rather buggy.

 

[autrefois]

How about a [...] package removal tool?

It would be great to have a "STOP" button next to stoplight during a search.

Good ideas! It's true that there are more package installers, or it seems like it. Not everyone is a power user, and I don't think the average user would know to look in the library. Certainly we don't want Microsoft to be able to say they're more user friendly than Mac, do we?