Mac OS X 10.5 Details?

[shidoshi]

You may already be aware of QuickImage, but if not here is a link:
http://www.pixture.com/

I appreciate the attempt, but that doesn't begin to do what I'm asking for. What I want is an entire folder of images to render their icon previews while in Column View. In CV currently, I can click on an image, and in the next column it will show a preview of that image - which is already quicker than the above solution. I don't want to have to click on that image, though - I want it to render right away in the column the file exists in.

 

[freiheit]

Tiger is a train wreck. Buggy. Poorly designed. Many, many flaws.

This has not been my experience. Of course, the whole problem with bugs is that they're usually unpredictable; some users will encounter the same problem over and over while other users never have the problem. I got my (10.3) house in order before upgrading to 10.4 and have had no serious problems with it.

And Longhorn, as much as I hate to say it, is shaping up to be a solid OS.

In the sense that by cutting out half of the announced new features of Longhorn Microsoft have settled upon a moderate update of Windows XP (which was a train wreck, as you put it, in my personal experience -- so much so that I went back to Win2K despite the fact that MS still hasn't fixed several longstanding bugs with Win2K in order to get people to move to XP instead) then I guess you're right. Vista should prove to be XP done right (5 years later) much like Win98se in 1999 was Win95 done right.

I had issues with MacOS X 10.2. They were fixed in 10.3 and I got a host of truly unique and amazing new features. 10.4 has been less amazing but equally stable for me. I'm looking forward to 10.5 and hoping that like 10.3 before it, it will again make huge advances in the way I use the computer.

 

[BGil]

In the sense that by cutting out half of the announced new features of Longhorn Microsoft have settled upon a moderate update of Windows XP

That's obviously an ignorant comment. Even amongst informed people who perfer other an OS, it's clear that Vista is the biggest update to the personal computing world since OS 9 to 10.1 or Win9x to XP-- even Steve Jobs has said so.

Out of all the stuff advertised at PDC 2003, I bet you can't even name 3 cut features. But I can show you a couple dozen features they've introduced to us since that time.

 

[oober_freak]

After reading avout 6 pages of comments, I can't understand why Vista is being discussed when it hasn't even been released! Compare Tiger with Vista AFTER it releases...

Being a switcher, I can tell you.. in these 7 days.. I've been fascinated by MAC OS X.

Leave out third party tools and compare Windows with OS X.. can IE claim to be better than Safari? I'm sorry.. IE is a joke. I have used windows all my life and I can tell you before Opera and Firefox, internet was hell for me. it's not about spyware, not about load on the system.. it's about clutter!

You know the joke called windows firewall, don't you? I can't remember the url, but a site tests firewalls for their ability to block intrusions... and windows firewall scored a golden duck out of 24.. it's like locking ur front door with the most advanced securtiy system and leaving the back door open.

I can tell you how much spotlight is beneficial to me.. i've got lots of documents on my hard disk and searching them with windows search was a nightmare. With spotlight, I get results within seconds.. you might not use spotlight.. but ask people who find utility in it.

You say OS X has bugs? Ever used Xp? I still can't get my old ethernet card to work with my windows box just because Xp has issues with it. It works perfectly on linux.

you say finder is useless.. ever used windows explorer with a not-so-good cd in ur cd-rom? it doesn't even let me access any other drive from my computer until that cd loads... finder is so beautiful.. it's simple and quick.

the only app on xp that i really like is Outlook Express. Finally, microsoft got something right.

it's been 7 days since I switched, and am sure I won't buy a PC running any microsoft OS until apple decides to close down and the linux guys stop developing the distros, not until that!

 

[BGil]

You say OS X has bugs? Ever used Xp? I still can't get my old ethernet card to work with my windows box just because Xp has issues with it. It works perfectly on linux.

Yeah, XP SP2 is relatively bug free by comparison to Tiger 10.4.2.
The fact your ethernet card won't work under XP (do you have drivers for it?) doesn't mean much because lots of hardware doesn't work on many distros and I doubt OS X supports most of the ethernet cards that XP does. There are pieces of hardware that work perfectly on Windows while not working at all on Linux or OS X. It's just how things are... (the PC in my sig won't boot any version of Ubuntu for instance).

Leave out third party tools and compare Windows with OS X.. can IE claim to be better than Safari? I'm sorry.. IE is a joke. I have used windows all my life and I can tell you before Opera and Firefox, internet was hell for me. it's not about spyware, not about load on the system.. it's about clutter!

I use Maxthon. It's the best browser on any platform IMO. I use Omniweb on my Mac. Safari might be better than IE6 but it's still not "great" by any means.

You know the joke called windows firewall, don't you? I can't remember the url, but a site tests firewalls for their ability to block intrusions... and windows firewall scored a golden duck out of 24.. it's like locking ur front door with the most advanced securtiy system and leaving the back door open.

Well, considering the OS X firewall isn't even on by default I'd consider the XP SP2 firewall far better. But you should be using a hardware firewall (any router will do) anyway.

you say finder is useless.. ever used windows explorer with a not-so-good cd in ur cd-rom? it doesn't even let me access any other drive from my computer until that cd loads... finder is so beautiful.. it's simple and quick.

There are tons of senarios that bring about the SPOD (spinning pinwheel of death) in OS X as well, definitely moreso than lockups in XP SP2 in my experience.

the only app on xp that i really like is Outlook Express. Finally, microsoft got something right.

I hate OE6. The Vista version is much better but the XP version sucks IMO.

I can tell you how much spotlight is beneficial to me.. i've got lots of documents on my hard disk and searching them with windows search was a nightmare. With spotlight, I get results within seconds.. you might not use spotlight.. but ask people who find utility in it.

http://desktop.msn.com/
Better than Spotlight in many ways. Search in Windows Vista Beta 1/5219 has surpasses spotlight in nearly everyway. Even search in many of the Longhorn Alpha's (before we knew anything about Spotlight) was better than Spotlight in a lot of ways (although it was buggier).

 

[newportnews]

My Top OS X 10.5 Requests:

1. Spotlight Integration in Safari: Spotlight searching of bookmarks and history. Also Smart bookmark folders. Optional sidebar in Safari that can contain bookmark folders.

2. Front Row Built-In: This will proabably done before 10.5 but Front Row should be integrated into the Core OS.

3. Backup Folders: Another folder type on top of Smart and Burn. Set up a folder that will automatically prompt you to backup to CD or Server or Disk every so often. Smart folders can go inside so that backing up can be criteria based.

4. Spring Loaded Folders in Dock: This should have been in Tiger... drag a file to a folder in a dock and it springs open.

 

[slb]

That's obviously an ignorant comment. Even amongst informed people who perfer other an OS, it's clear that Vista is the biggest update to the personal computing world since OS 9 to 10.1 or Win9x to XP-- even Steve Jobs has said so.

Hardly. Can you describe what it is about Vista that makes it the "biggest update to the personal computing world?" Vista's new graphics foundation is a catch-up to the now five years old Quartz (wow, animated minimizing windows...wonder where that came from), and other APIs are similar catch-ups that will be made available for Windows XP anyway. All the new end-user features already exist elsewhere. There is little that's revolutionary about Vista now, and to claim there is some conventional wisdom going around that it will be the biggest update to the computing world is ridiculous and false.

Because its new features exist in other operating systems and add-ons, and its new APIs are being backported to XP, the only thing Vista has going for it is a redesigned interface that looks like a horrid plastic webpage, packed with hyperlinks and wasted space (I love that thick orange/blue bar at the bottom of Explorer windows) and requiring enormous system specs just to display shadowed windows and buttons with light sources. It's ridiculous but done on purpose--they want you to buy a new PC. The majority of Windows sales are preinstallations. Microsoft missed a hardware upgrade cycle this year, and most people will wonder why they should get Vista if all its APIs are being backported, making the operating system a visual redress of XP. This is why analysts predict that by 2008, only 35% of PC users will have adopted Vista. Businesses will almost certainly continue using Windows 2000 for a while longer, unless they move up to XP.

Out of all the stuff advertised at PDC 2003, I bet you can't even name 3 cut features. But I can show you a couple dozen features they've introduced to us since that time.

WinFS, Monad, the original Sidebar with its tile concept (which is now a remade Tiger Dashboard with "Gadgets" instead of "widgets), etc.

Well, considering the OS X firewall isn't even on by default I'd consider the XP SP2 firewall far better. But you should be using a hardware firewall (any router will do) anyway.

You shouldn't need a firewall at all. OS X's firewall isn't on by default because it's not needed; there aren't open ports on an OS X install. Microsoft has managed to convince you that after you've got a new installation set up, you immediately need to start diapering it like a baby to protect it from everything by installing antivirus and firewall software. Your argument is rather like complaining that OS X has no version of Ad-aware. Well, of course not; it's not needed on OS X, just like anti-virus software.

On Windows, such software is definitely needed. The poorly designed architecture is full of holes for malicious software to exploit, from the lax security to the continued use of a "registry" (they're still not getting rid of it in Vista).

As for Spotlight versus Microsoft's, Apple's implementation is clearly superior. I've used the Vista Beta's version, and it's nothing special at all and uses the same concept of IFilters as Spotlight does. As for linking to MSN Desktop Search, it doesn't even integrate with the system to update search results after filesystem changes! Get real.

Some Microsoft fans are unwilling to admit that every "new" end-user feature in Vista already exists in OS X. Even Ballmer admits the feature copying. The tech press has finally caught on. Windows is just plain crappy, and in Vista they're actually making the interface worse! The new Start menu is embarrassing, and so are the goofy sideways folder icons.

I'm predicting here that Windows Vista will be a flop. I don't expect to be proven wrong, but we'll see.

Yeah, XP SP2 is relatively bug free by comparison to Tiger 10.4.2.

Hence the myriad of security updates since SP2's release, right? An SP3 is in the works to roll them all up.

OS X 10.5 in late 2006 will, as usual, continue to move forward just as Microsoft finally catches up to May 2005 ("A new Windows! Now with more wizards, dialogs, and other things to get in your way."). From the rumors I'm hearing about the next version of Spotlight and the possibility of creating linked relationships between objects, it should be exciting times.

 

[50548]

Am I the only one who thinks Tiger isn't terrible?

Nope. Only members of the whining club (and also the "never repair permissions" and "install every haxie available" club members) think Tiger is a bad OS...it's simply the BEST system out there, rock-solid and clean...way different from XP, Linux or other crappy OSs in the market...I've never had any serious issue with it, as millions of other Mac users...wannabe switchers and new users, beware...the posts that you read in forums like this DO NOT represent the major perception about Tiger...IT IS a great OS.

Apple is not lazy.

It is compromising quality for extra profits.
It is scrimping on materials to save 1c per iPod Nano and now got a lawsuit on their hands.
It rushed Spotlight out in Tiger.
And of course where is the freescale 7448 on the PB?

But no, it is not "lazy"

Please, save the crap for other forums...the iPod Nano is as "scratchy" as any other iPod out there, and only a tiny percentage suffered from real issues...the lawsuit is just another example of the U.S.'s frivolous and market-driven legal system...it's pathetic.

As for Spotlight, it's helped me in ways that could not be imagined before...search is fast and effective...just ask my PC-using friend who has to wait for minutes to get an email search result on his XP...

 

[Mechcozmo]

hmm, true. Yeah or... say you install an OSX update... but its buggy... and want to go back to the last version. true.

Well, after you've already patched up the files, it is a bit harder to go back. However, you can always tell Software Update to keep the packages around and run the last updater whenever you wanted it. Granted, you can't go back to 10.4 this way, but you can go to 10.4.1 from 10.4.2 this way.

I hope Apple REALLY takes their time, and gets Leopard right.

Tiger is a train wreck. Buggy. Poorly designed. Many, many flaws.

And Longhorn, as much as I hate to say it, is shaping up to be a solid OS.

Apple needs to make 10.5 a huge leapfrog, and Jobs better put that famous polish and demanding requests into it. There are other parts to Apple other than the new Nano.

1. So far, the only version of OS X that I have had issues with has been 10.0. All the other ones met my expectations.
2. Tiger is perfectly stable for me and I have no complaints, just suggestions (Like share internet over Bluetooth, but hey, that's complex stuff and if I have to wait for Leopard... I'm not going to complain)
3. Jobs demands perfection. I think most Apple products get close.

It'd be nice if there was a more powerful way to batch edit metadata for documents.

I made an Automator action that appends Spotlight comments. Simple and easy to do, PM me if you want it. (I made an icon for it too )

It is compromising quality for extra profits.
It is scrimping on materials to save 1c per iPod Nano and now got a lawsuit on their hands.
It rushed Spotlight out in Tiger.
And of course where is the freescale 7448 on the PB?

1. My Rev. C PowerBook is much more sturdy than any other notebook I have seen. Keyboard, screen hinge, etc. It does not seem 'cheap'.
2. The Nano was made out of the same materials as the 4G iPod. However, a defect made its way into the process and those were recalled. The lawsuit is because of sue-happy Americans.
3. Spotlight? Seems pretty nice for me... easy to address API, etc.
4. That is Freescale's fault. Don't blame Apple for something they can't do. Another reason to switch to Intel-- this won't happen.

Being a switcher, I can tell you.. in these 7 days.. I've been fascinated by MAC OS X.
<snip>
the only app on xp that i really like is Outlook Express. Finally, microsoft got something right.

Nitpick: MAC and Mac are different. MAC is a networking term, Macintosh is a computer. But still glad to have you onboard.

And Outlook Express is the biggest piece of crap ever. Well, not quite. But close.

The fact your ethernet card won't work under XP (do you have drivers for it?) doesn't mean much because lots of hardware doesn't work on many distros and I doubt OS X supports most of the ethernet cards that XP does.

I pulled a generi-brand PCI 10/100-BaseT card out of an old Pentium II, stuck it in my Quicksilver. It is recognized as a "PCI Ethernet Card (eth1)"

I use Maxthon. It's the best browser on any platform IMO. I use Omniweb on my Mac. Safari might be better than IE6 but it's still not "great" by any means.

To each his own. Browser debates are, as far as I'm concerned, useless. I like Safari on my Mac and FireFox on my PC. Whoopdee doo.

Well, considering the OS X firewall isn't even on by default I'd consider the XP SP2 firewall far better.

The OS X firewall, however, is unnecessary. And the SP2 firewall is crap. Neither is good, but at least on OS X you don't need the firewall.

There are tons of senarios that bring about the SPOD (spinning pinwheel of death) in OS X as well, definitely moreso than lockups in XP SP2 in my experience.

OS X is not a realtime operating system. This means that what you do may not be executed when you do it, but instead queued and executed when the time is right. Thus, OS X does not seem as responsive as XP or OS 9 but is more stable and allows for things such as hardware abstraction and the 'layering' of the OS to be done correctly.[/QUOTE]

 

[hyperpasta]

OS X 10.5 in late 2006 will, as usual, continue to move forward just as Microsoft finally catches up to May 2005 ("A new Windows! Now with more wizards, dialogs, and other things to get in your way."). From the rumors I'm hearing about the next version of Spotlight and the possibility of creating linked relationships between objects, it should be exciting times.

I have to say I agree with him. Vista won't be innovative, won't have anything Mac OS X doesn't, and will still be weird, confusing, and buggy, but its still a quantum leap for Windows. The difference between OS X and Windows will be large but much smaller. Apple will have to match it with more innovation. A new Finder is definetly in order, as well as an updated and muchly-refined Aqua that returns to 2 themes.

 

[slb]

Nitpick: MAC and Mac are different. MAC is a networking term, Macintosh is a computer. But still glad to have you onboard.

Haha. At least he didn't say OS-X or OS/X (I've seen both before).

I have to say I agree with him. Vista won't be innovative, won't have anything Mac OS X doesn't, and will still be weird, confusing, and buggy, but its still a quantum leap for Windows. The difference between OS X and Windows will be large but much smaller. Apple will have to match it with more innovation. A new Finder is definetly in order, as well as an updated and muchly-refined Aqua that returns to 2 themes.

Definitely, and I really do hope Vista won't suck, for the sake of my sanity at work. But at this point, Microsoft deserves all the criticism it's gotten over how screwed up Windows really is and how long it's taken them to fix it. And this is the unreliable OS that most of the American economy relies on. It's incredible and sad that mainstream computing itself has been held back when one company stagnates development on its product for five years. Windows users will be trying out essential new features over a year from now that we got two years before. Monopolies suck.

That's not even getting into the interface problems that exist in Windows today and that Microsoft is adding onto in Vista. Seriously, that Start menu is gonna suck when I start getting the IT questions from co-workers. Worst of all is the removal of window menus from Explorer and other applications. That's really gonna screw some people up.

 

[minimax]

I have to say I agree with him. Vista won't be innovative, won't have anything Mac OS X doesn't, and will still be weird, confusing, and buggy, but its still a quantum leap for Windows. The difference between OS X and Windows will be large but much smaller. Apple will have to match it with more innovation. A new Finder is definetly in order, as well as an updated and muchly-refined Aqua that returns to 2 themes.

Then I guess you are rather uninformed about windows. Read the thread: "What do you want to see in Leopard" and you'd be surprised how many basic functionalities are still not implemented in Mac OS X that already have been in win 95 / 98 and beyond. I have 7 in the top of my head without much advanced experience in OS X yet.

 

[spencecb]

I'd be happy for a 'cancel' button when launching programs. Surprisingly often I hit the wrong icon in the dock and have to wait for it to load then quit.

You can quit an application before it launches by right clicking on the icon on the Dock and selecting force quit....it will stop the launch of the application. There's your "cancel" option.

 

[BGil]

Hardly. Can you describe what it is about Vista that makes it the "biggest update to the personal computing world?" Vista's new graphics foundation is a catch-up to the now five years old Quartz (wow, animated minimizing windows...wonder where that came from), and other APIs are similar catch-ups that will be made available for Windows XP anyway. All the new end-user features already exist elsewhere. There is little that's revolutionary about Vista now, and to claim there is some conventional wisdom going around that it will be the biggest update to the computing world is ridiculous and false.

Since when did having features available somewhere else via third-party addon make an OS less of an update? Spotlight was available in Microsoft Desktop Search, Google Desktop Search, Lookout, Coopernic, and X1 long before Tiger came out but does that make Spotlight less useful? or Tiger less of an update to Panther? Dahsboard was available via Konfabulator, Desktop X, and numerous other services.
You named 1 thing in Vista (the DCE), simplified it to a ridiculous level and then failed to note where it surpasses Quartz/QE.

But to give you a list of reasons why it's the biggest update to the personal computing world in years...

64-bit goes mainstream with Vista
Completely new networking stack (compound TCP!!)
Completely new Audio Stack
Completely new document explorer (stacks, lots of sorting and grouping options, virtual heirarchy, metadata driven)
Indigo (windows communications framework)
Peer to Peer services
Meeting Spaces
Safe Docs
File versioning
DirectX 10 (will not be on XP)
Media Center in every box (lots of new features)
Tablet PC and Ink support in every box (too many things to list)
Resolution Independence
Transactional NTFS
Database-backed Explorer (and other apps like Windows Mail)
Database backed system-wide data stores for RSS, Mail, Contacts etc. (will be WinFS backed later)
Hot Add, Hot Remove, and Hot Replace for processors, ram, hard drives etc.
IIS7
CODEC system (is what enables RAW support)
.Net 2.0
new color system
Preview pane and Reading pane in Explorer
Automatic game/system benchmarking and optimization
Natural Language interface (speech, ink, search)
Hardware accelerated H.264, WMVHD, and MPEG-2 HD
New driver models for graphics, networking, and audio
Componetized structure
new codebase (windows server 2003 SP1)
Managed copy and DVD ripping built-in
Windows Movie Maker HD and HD-DVD authoring
Virtual PC in the box
Metro
WPF/Xaml/Baml
Superfetch
fully automatic defragging (no, OSX does not have this)
Power-aware states
Better memory management
Sidebar+ Gadgets
MSH
New search features
new open/save dialogs (preview panes, reading panes, search, file versions)
Flip3D
new Alt-Tab
IE7 (different than the XP version)
built-in antispyware
new firewall
new network center and features (castles, dual internet, etc)
updated start menu
new WMP
new Photo managing app
new calendar app
new file system metaphors
New mail app
hardware encrpyted file system
lots of new UI stuff
An RSS reader (part of Windows Mail)
External display gadgets
parental controls
tons of new security stuff
Subsystem for Unix apps
new sync engine
new mobile device engine
HD-DVD and Blu-Ray support (HDCP, AACS)
new Microsoft update system
Game Explorer
and a lot more but I think this list is long enough...

WinFS, Monad, the original Sidebar with its tile concept (which is now a remade Tiger Dashboard with "Gadgets" instead of "widgets), etc.

WinFS.. yes but it'll be publically available at Vista RTM.
Monad... No
Monad was never part of Longhorn or Vista until Beta 1 (and current builds). So if anything it's been recently added to Vista (just the ultimate edition IIRC). But Monad will ship before Vista as part of Exchange 12.
The sidebar concept...? That's a real stretch. LOL They didn't cut anything. The new sidebar has all the functionality of the old one and more, so they added features to it. The concept of the sidebar is still the same; a place to put tiles/gadgets that you want to see at all times. That's not what Dashboard (which is a remade Konfabulator/Object Desktop/Active Desktop) does and is used for. The only difference between the old sidebar and the new one is that the gadgets can be moved to the desktop or from the web (which Dashboard cannot do) and the gadgets can be round. Considering that the early Longhorn builds with the original sidebar didn't even have Avalon installed, it's only natural that the gadgets can be made round now when they couldn't before.
But nothing was cut regarding the sidebar, mearly changed (merged with Avalon, Start.com, external displays, and active desktop).

You shouldn't need a firewall at all. OS X's firewall isn't on by default because it's not needed; there aren't open ports on an OS X install.

LOL. The second you launch any app that accesses the network then you'll have open ports. Pretty much any OS X app can open any port at will. You can even be attacked by classic hacking techniques because your machine isn't running a firewall. If all it took was no open ports to avoid hackers then the world (including Linux and BSD boxes) would be much safer... unfortunately it doesn't work that way.
BTW, There aren't any ports open on an SP2 install either.

As for Spotlight versus Microsoft's, Apple's implementation is clearly superior. I've used the Vista Beta's version, and it's nothing special at all and uses the same concept of IFilters as Spotlight does.

Guess which implementation can read from a custom datastore? Not Spotlight.
Guess which implementation actually uses real keywords? Not Spotlight.
Guess which implementation actually writes metadata to the files? Not Spotlight.
Guess which implementation can use multiple ifilters/importers on a file type? Not Spotlight.
Guess which implementation can correctly index read-only media, FTP sites, websites, any UNC path, networked shares and storage, Linux shares, FAT drives etc. and doesn't leave "_." files all over the place.
... uses arbitrary metadata streams...
... reads the change log of the file system...
... integrates with the file explorer and it's metadata system...
... can add metadata to more than one file at a time...
... supports user metadata manipulation...
I could go on and on but Spotlight is a rather weak implementation.

iFilters, which are shared between SQL Server 2000 and 2005, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Vista, Sharepoint, Google Desktop Search, and Windows Desktop Search. They existed long before Spotlight and it's importers did. Spotlight importers are a rather lame copy of ifilters and Spotlight lacks any of the functionality of protocol handlers.

As for linking to MSN Desktop Search, it doesn't even integrate with the system to update search results after filesystem changes! Get real.

Your ignorance is shocking. 1. Spotlight doesn't register filesystem changes. Files must pass through the kernel to be registered as a change. This makes Spotlight horrible for many network share situations.
2. Both XP's indexing and Windows Desktop search read the change journal in NTFS. All you have to do is turn on "Index now" in WDS or "Instant" in XP's search and everything is indexed the moment it touches the drive.
3. The option is there becase constant indexing on a laptop drains the battery a lot and because certian apps make tons of little files as they work and Spotlight will suck valuable processor cycles to index useless files. That's why some people turn Spotlight off.

I have to say I agree with him. Vista won't be innovative, won't have anything Mac OS X doesn't

It's simply ridiculous to say that at this point. Even Quartz/QE doesn't have all the features of Avalon/Metro/DCE. OS X still can't fully hardware accelerate HD content, do document sharing, edit ID3 tags, use ID3 tags or other metadata in the file browser, do granular file encryption, sort files in every view, group files in every view, do system restore, go fully 64-bit, manual processor scheduling, cut in the file system, write to FTP's, hibernate, or numerous other things that even though XP can do so why would Tiger be able to do everything Vista can do?

I mean damn, OS X doesn't even include video editing or photo management software anymore and Tiger damn sure doesn't have Media Center or Tablet PC built-in (don't bring up Inkwell because it's not eh same). That right there are four huge sets of functionailty that Vista will have over Tiger and probably Leopard as well (I don't see Apple giving us iLife back).

That's not even getting into the interface problems that exist in Windows today and that Microsoft is adding onto in Vista. Seriously, that Start menu is gonna suck when I start getting the IT questions from co-workers. Worst of all is the removal of window menus from Explorer and other applications. That's really gonna screw some people up.

You can go back to classic and turn the menus back on in Explorer. It's rather trival to do these things if you're deploying images. Vista in Classic mode looks just like Windows 2000. I'm not sure if you can get the old start menu back because I'm using XP now but the new start menu is super easy to use. IMO the new start menu is my favorite new feature. App launching is super fast now.

 

[minimax]

@BGil, I'm afraid you're talking to a largely deaf audience. Ignorance is bliss...

 

[EricBrian]

The Finder is like looking at a turd as you swim close to the bottom of a beautiful swimming pool.

Say it isn't so.

11.4 - Verdelho (later changed to Merlot after mothers groups kicked up a stink because it sounded very much like "bordello."

Damn that is funny.

 

[EricBrian]

I changed to Mac from Windows when the day Tiger's was released. I am so glad I did and am truely in love with my 12" PB.

The only thing I miss about windows is the ability to tab through all open windows and not just open apps.

The things I don't like about Mac are few: Safari (but who cares, I have FF), that PhotoShop CS2 doesn't run stable... Hmmm... that is about it.

 

[beg_ne]

@BGil, I'm afraid you're talking to a largely deaf audience. Ignorance is bliss...

When did macrumors become Windoze fanboy central?

Clearly the windows fanboys are ignorant if they actually believe MS will deliver as well as you're trying to convince all of us they will.

 

[hyperpasta]

Then I guess you are rather uninformed about windows. Read the thread: "What do you want to see in Leopard" and you'd be surprised how many basic functionalities are still not implemented in Mac OS X that already have been in win 95 / 98 and beyond. I have 7 in the top of my head without much advanced experience in OS X yet.

Yeah, yeah, I know. But either way, a lot of what's going into Vista has been in Mac OS X a loooooong time. Nobody can deny that.

 

[gMac]

Jeez...and to think I believed I was happy with Tiger. Apparently my OS sucks AND my mother dresses me funny!

 

[BGil]

Yeah, yeah, I know. But either way, a lot of what's going into Vista has been in Mac OS X a loooooong time. Nobody can deny that.

Yes, but even more stuff going into Vista isn't in OSX. A lot of things that came to OSX in Tiger were already part of Windows for a long time (particularly the NT branch).

The list I provided is largely just stuf that's in Beta 1 and the current CTP's. Beta 2 supposedly has a lot more "end-user" stuff. At this point, there's still another 7-8 months to unveil more stuff which is kind of scary when you consider how much stuff they've already unvieled (look at my list). New features come to light with every monthly CTP.

 

[northernleitz]

Couple of trolls at work here, methinks.

Let's not talk about which OS is better. For years it's been clear that Apple focuses on product quality whereas Microsoft has focused on economy. I find the notion of switching from Mac to Windows as laughable as switching from, say, BMW to Ford, just because Ford came up with a new airbag or something that BMW didn't have. The day Apple starts worrying about market share is the day their OS turns to dung.

Oh, and if it hasn't been stated before, you can remove items from the software update list by selecting them and deleting next time you run software update. They'll never bother you again.

 

[sjk]

From the rumors I'm hearing about the next version of Spotlight and the possibility of creating linked relationships between objects, it should be exciting times.

Using extended attributes or something different? And where are you finding those rumors?

I'm very interested in the topic of interfaces (e.g. future OS X Finder) that offer alternative primary methods for organizing and relating data beyond the simple file/folder structure imposed by hierarchical filesystems.

The ongoing process (both manual and automatic) of choosing where files are saved influences and restricts how they might later be related outside the boundaries of specific files/folders and hierarchies, with different benefits and limitations. (whew!) Ideally, the choice of how and where to store files doesn't interfere with the choice of how and where to view files.

My main objection with hierarchical file/folder management is that it doesn't scale in usability. Personally, an ever-increasing number of files with diverse, yet potentially related, data has turned it into a game of information micromanagement. Of course I continue to use hierarchies but have also exhausted their basic two-dimensional benefits. Since they're strictly enforced "below" my control (in contrast to being virtual objects/groups) the limitations have become more obvious, tedious, and frustrating.

A new, novel file/data manager/organizer/whatever "Finder" that's more immersive and efficiently usable than Just Another File Manager can't come too soon for me. And maybe it can be simultaneously evolutionary and revolutionary?

 

[duffman9000]

BTW, There aren't any ports open on an SP2 install either.

I'm calling BS. Some apps are given default allow permission like remote desktop help among other junk. I'd guess that file and printer sharing is on by default also. So yes, ports are open by default.
No reputable admin allows WinXP, even with SP2, on the network without applying a new security template.

 

[minimax]

Couple of trolls at work here, methinks.

Let's not talk about which OS is better. For years it's been clear that Apple focuses on product quality whereas Microsoft has focused on economy. I find the notion of switching from Mac to Windows as laughable as switching from, say, BMW to Ford, just because Ford came up with a new airbag or something that BMW didn't have. The day Apple starts worrying about market share is the day their OS turns to dung.

Oh, and if it hasn't been stated before, you can remove items from the software update list by selecting them and deleting next time you run software update. They'll never bother you again.

troll? Too bad they didnt have word like that in Copernicus' time. Might've saved them a lot of wood.

But yeah, litter doesnt bother you apparently when it's out of sight. Only when it starts to stink...
It doesnt solve the issue of update packages either.