Leopard seems faster on my 12" PowerBook G4 1.5Ghz, especially the finder. I think games seem to run better too.
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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard First Impressions
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No activation codes, please...
Microsoft and Apple are in very different situations. Microsoft sells software. They do not sell the hardware Windows runs on. If piracy is widespread, then they lose a significant share of their revenues. Apple's situation is different. Even if they did not make any money on software, they could still stay in business provided that they sell enough hardware at a good enough profit margin. If you can pirate OS X easily, it means that your Macs can stay up-to-date (in terms of software) longer and more cheaply. That would probably boost hardware sales, which would compensate - to what extent, I am not sure - the loss of software sales.
I am not advocating piracy. I just don't think that it's as big a deal for Apple as it is for software-only companies. Personally, I hope they never require activation since I mess up my computers every now and then and like to re-install everything from scratch when I do. An activation code is just one more thing I can lose and the activation process, one more thing that can go wrong.
Microsoft and Apple are in very different situations. Microsoft sells software. They do not sell the hardware Windows runs on. If piracy is widespread, then they lose a significant share of their revenues. Apple's situation is different. Even if they did not make any money on software, they could still stay in business provided that they sell enough hardware at a good enough profit margin. If you can pirate OS X easily, it means that your Macs can stay up-to-date (in terms of software) longer and more cheaply. That would probably boost hardware sales, which would compensate - to what extent, I am not sure - the loss of software sales.
I am not advocating piracy. I just don't think that it's as big a deal for Apple as it is for software-only companies. Personally, I hope they never require activation since I mess up my computers every now and then and like to re-install everything from scratch when I do. An activation code is just one more thing I can lose and the activation process, one more thing that can go wrong.
It's interesting that in the Apple visual guide they said it would take "an hour or two" and it appears to take much less. I have a hard time believing that time frame and wonder why they over shot so badly.
Activation is not confined to Microsoft. Apple's traditional darling, Adobe, has been using activation for years. Small time software companies use activation too. I recently purchased Neat Image, for digital noise reduction, and that required activation. Roxio Toast needs an active license key to enable its operation and software updates. EyeTV 2 needs activation. The list goes on, and on, and on.
So you can stop this whole 'Apple really loves me as a person and trusts me and don't really want my money, but my affection' squabble!
***THEY WANT YOUR CASH***
The guy is telling us about 10.5. Who cares how he got it? Let's not turn this into a piracy debate (might be too late).
Activating Vista requires no user action. If you have an Internet connection, it does it itself, silently in the background.
I kinda have to agree wiht you. they aren't idiots though. while i know they don't want pirating they aren't naive to it. it's built into their econmic plans for sure. Though i have to say this is really an apple problem, no one but apple and the people they work with to produce and distribute leaked this because no one else had access. The moment you have to physically produce something you have way to many 'cooks in the kitchen' and the recipe will always get out. becaue it just needs one person to do it.
The answer is digital distribution (like what radiohead did). I know this is a very large file for something like that. so this won't happen for a long time. but that really is the future and the answer to all media problems today.
I think you make a lot of valid points, but this is the same Apple that people were accusing of being all about the bottom dollar regarding locking the iPhone to AT&T and restricting 3rd party development. It just seems odd to me that people would feel in some cases that Apple doesn't care about piracy when they're being fairly proactive in other cases.
Obviously, whenever something is for free (legal or not) some people will do anything to save a buck while others have much more noble intentions (I think the new Radiohead album is a good example of this). It likely all balances out in the end, but I'm waiting until Friday. Someone else's impressions, especially when just written out, does me no good. I need to see it for myself.
This is not to knock you but I just hate when people say it "Seems faster" or "Seems snappier". Sometimes I get the feeling that it's what we want it to be but it's not really. Are you truly getting faster performance or does it just "seem"?
I totally agree with you. A great example is Steam. They've revolutionised digital distribution for games. In fact, the last 8 or so PC games I've bought recently have been via Steam. Each game is a few gigabytes in size, but with today's broadband speeds, this only takes me a few hours to download.
Good idea!
The 'seems snappier' thing is just an ongoing Mac Rumours joke... if you stick around a while you'll see it pop up every now and then.
eg, a new Apple mouse could be released, and someone will say 'my Safari seem snappier now'...
I used those words because it's based on my impression. If I wanted concrete evidence. I'd have to first install a fresh copy of 10.4.10 and benchmark it and then a fresh copy of 10.5 and benchmark it. I wiped the hard drive before installing 10.5, so the snappiness could just be from a clean install. Performance in some games such as Call of Duty 2 do run faster, this is based on frame rate. I don't have an exact comparison on the fps on each OS.
this also is a HUGE environtmental benefit. The one great think about the digital revoulution is it can free a huge burdon on physical resources and reduce costs. The stupidest thing i've every seen is now instead of selling cd's starbucks sells those gift cards for every cd. Have you seen those? I took one look and all that ran through my head was how stupid are these people? i mean my god you can now dl the cd right there in the store and the STILL have to wast materials needlessly. Seriously how unaware do these people think consumers are?
Perhaps for the initial installation, but things might not be quite so smooth after that: http://apcmag.com/vista_activation
Activation is not confined to Microsoft. Apple's traditional darling, Adobe, has been using activation for years. Small time software companies use activation too. I recently purchased Neat Image, for digital noise reduction, and that required activation. Roxio Toast needs an active license key to enable its operation and software updates. EyeTV 2 needs activation. The list goes on, and on, and on.
So you can stop this whole 'Apple really loves me as a person and trusts me and don't really want my money, but my affection' squabble!
***THEY WANT YOUR CASH***
Actually you are not completely correct about all of that so-called activation. Adobe does indeed do exactly what Microsoft does but Roxio Toast and EyeTV 2 (which both I use) do not require activation.
Don't confuse serializing with activation, they are quite different. Reformatting the hard drive requires you to call Adobe and Microsoft to activate again or no go.
I don't have to do that with the other companies nor do I have to be connected to the internet for the serial to work unlike Adobe and Microsoft.
It took me an hour to install Tiger on my old G4 iMac, so an hour or 2 on an old PPC machine sounds about right. And remember he just did an update not a clean install, that might change things.
I was wondering if Apple was going to include Activation in Leopard as one of those secret features we wouldn't know until the retail version arrived. I guess no activation and thank goodness for that. I'm sure someone already has it hacked to run on non-apple hardware (or pretty darn close).
Activation Woes
i have had xp for about 6 or 5 years and it is the oem copy. i got it as it was at the time, less than half the price of the special priveleges one... professional? as oem, i had to buy a hd with it and got it for cad 155$, even then much more than osx. now, i use windows for one game and one calculation/formatting application only. because of this product activation, i will be forced to buy another copy of windows to use the counting application i use 5 minuts per day and the game i play once per month.
the licensing scheme and everything about the windows distribution is just nightmare for many consumers as if you buy the wrong one, you are really tied to one machine forever - naturally, i no longer use the 20gb hd that was in my machine in 2001, i am on a macbook pro. just simple rubbish the way the software i legally purchased is so limited that i am forced to upgrade just to use it for minutes a day or even less.
i have had xp for about 6 or 5 years and it is the oem copy. i got it as it was at the time, less than half the price of the special priveleges one... professional? as oem, i had to buy a hd with it and got it for cad 155$, even then much more than osx. now, i use windows for one game and one calculation/formatting application only. because of this product activation, i will be forced to buy another copy of windows to use the counting application i use 5 minuts per day and the game i play once per month.
the licensing scheme and everything about the windows distribution is just nightmare for many consumers as if you buy the wrong one, you are really tied to one machine forever - naturally, i no longer use the 20gb hd that was in my machine in 2001, i am on a macbook pro. just simple rubbish the way the software i legally purchased is so limited that i am forced to upgrade just to use it for minutes a day or even less.
Activation is not confined to Microsoft. Apple's traditional darling, Adobe, has been using activation for years. Small time software companies use activation too. I recently purchased Neat Image, for digital noise reduction, and that required activation. Roxio Toast needs an active license key to enable its operation and software updates. EyeTV 2 needs activation. The list goes on, and on, and on.
So you can stop this whole 'Apple really loves me as a person and trusts me and don't really want my money, but my affection' squabble!
***THEY WANT YOUR CASH***
at my work, after reinstalling windows onto another machine which we ditched and then trying to get xp 64 to run even at all, i talked with adobe technical support. the guy helped me through every step and did not give me any critical eye about it going to a new machine.
i have spoken numerous times with microsoft and the first thing they as is if i have pirated my xp. adobe and microsoft have completely different activation procedures. i much prefer adobes method.
And this is a good thing?
Did you miss the news about Microsoft forcing Windows updates a month ago. Users had no choice. No one knew it happened or was going to happen. They got caught.
You think this is acceptable behavior for a company to do with your computer?
Microsoft Apologists are a weird bunch.