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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard First Impressions

macboy62 said:
Jessica, I agree with you. This post will just encourage illegal file sharing. Which I think has two problems...

1. Lost of revenue for Apple. I don't want to lose Apple because of that and I don't want Apple to have to start with "Activation" to protect their product. They trust us, we should repay that trust by buying the product.
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Whatever. :rolleyes:

The moment that it becomes in Apple's best financial interest to do so, you'll be seeing OS activation.

If it's a "trust" issue, then why does Apple use serial numbers for their other software?
 
I don't understand the excitement or desire for RSS to be thrown in with email. I guess I'll have to check it out when I try Leopard.

Count me in as one concerned with performance on a G4 PB. I'm running a 12" PB 1.33Mhz with the memory maxed out to 1.25GB. I'm not as much concerned about the cpu as I am how limited I am on memory. I tend to customize my environment with lots of shareware/freeware and with Leopard's greater req specs than Tiger worries me a bit. Unfortunately I don't have a rich uncle or anything to get me a new PB in the near future. :(
 
Rating system

Why all the negative ratings? Is it because most believe this is a pirated copy, or a not the gold master, or are not happy with what was reported, or what I want to know. I used to really like the ratings but now I think they are worthless. They should just force you to post to share your feelings. If there was a thread that stated :apple: was giving everyone a free computer and $1million dollars, 10 people would mark negative. I just don't get it, people should expand. I might be missing something I read the first couple pages of replies with no avail.
 
Cappy said:
Count me in as one concerned with performance on a G4 PB. I'm running a 12" PB 1.33Mhz with the memory maxed out to 1.25GB. I'm not as much concerned about the cpu as I am how limited I am on memory.
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It's a shame they didn't up the soldered memory to 512 for their last two revs, but oh well.

I think the 12" PBs will rock with Leopard. I have no way of knowing, of course, but I think they'll kick some ass. I'll tell you what... I'd rather have a PB with 64 MB VRAM and 1.25 GB RAM than a iBook with 32 MB VRAM and 1.5 GB RAM.

We'll find out real, real soon!
 
stoutboy1 said:
Why all the negative ratings? Is it because most believe this is a pirated copy, or a not the gold master, or are not happy with what was reported, or what I want to know. I used to really like the ratings but now I think they are worthless. They should just force you to post to share your feelings. If there was a thread that stated :apple: was giving everyone a free computer and $1million dollars, 10 people would mark negative. I just don't get it, people should expand. I might be missing something I read the first couple pages of replies with no avail.
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maybe some voted negative because its late and they want to go to bed, but because of this news they are compelled to stay up and post endless discussion on a product that will be out in 2 days! :p:D

i dont think the ratings ever work for me...i don't see it change after i click?
 
If they did get the release version...

Really pathetic that Appple does not release it to there developer and enterprise customers even a little more then two day's before the release. At this rate I will have to go a buy a final copy for enterprise integration on Friday or wait until a week after the commercial release to recieve a copy of server adn client. Apple wake up and realize that even though you could have Enterprise penetration this is exactly why you do not. It is going to leak anyway so why not release it to those that have been testing and probably wouldn't leak it, unlike the way you give the gm to all the users in your company and have them install it themselves. O.K rant done sorry....
 
PCMacUser said:
Considering Apple is now a multi-billion dollar corporate empire, similar to Microsoft but with more black t-shirts, I don't think a few pirated copies of Leopard will affect them much. However, I do believe that activation is something they should be doing right now. It just makes sense.
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Even Microsoft has softened on activation. Apple does not need to go there.
 
for some reason it seem a lot slower than tiger on my 2gb, 2.0ghz mbp. Even to restart it seems real slow. spotlight is indexing, and it says about 50 min remaining so that may be it.
 
AJ Muni said:
for some reason it seem a lot slower than tiger on my 2gb, 2.0ghz mbp. Even to restart it seems real slow. spotlight is indexing, and it says about 50 min remaining so that may be it.
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that is certainly what it is....when spotlight indexed on tiger, it slowed everything down tremendously
 
stoutboy1 said:
Why all the negative ratings? Is it because most believe this is a pirated copy, or a not the gold master, or are not happy with what was reported, or what I want to know. I used to really like the ratings but now I think they are worthless. They should just force you to post to share your feelings. If there was a thread that stated :apple: was giving everyone a free computer and $1million dollars, 10 people would mark negative. I just don't get it, people should expand. I might be missing something I read the first couple pages of replies with no avail.
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The rating system is pretty meaningless, why worry about it? If the headline interests you, read more.
 
law guy said:
Says he's got a family pack license. At this point, I imagine that there are multitudes of boxed copies making their way to Apple stores (and distribution centers for on-line orders), perhaps sitting there already ready for the Friday store release or Thursday shipping for Apple's promised over-night parcel delivery on the 26th. Just thinking about the odds - all those copies in all of those stores / distribution warehouses - it's certainly conceivable that it's a legal copy that just escaped into the wild a little early.
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except in the other thread someone found a post of his saying he downloaded it before he got his copy
 
irahodges said:
that is certainly what it is....when spotlight indexed on tiger, it slowed everything down tremendously
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Ohh ok, I was hoping. Because for a while, things seemed snappier, then slowed down again. Indexing is almost done. I must say leopard is pretty bad ass. for me its the little things that count. for example in a folder full of movies, the icons are now little pictures of the movie, not just the original quicktime logo. also when u click on the airport in the menu bar, it has a little lock to those networks who require passwords, so you can tell right off the bat secure, or non secure networks. and even though i never really use cover flow in itunes, i'm already using it with the finder. it's so much better now to preview things without opening the app. And spotlight is wayyyyyyyyyyy faster than it was before. thats really impressed me so far.

p.s. anyone who's installed leopard want to try screen sharing? I'm on ichat now, AIM = AJ Muni

Edit: Indexing is done, and wow this thing is flying.

Edit 2: yes its true, safari does seem much faster.
 
Clearly this is a review based on an illegal copy downloaded from the internet. Should this really be encouraged by posting it as news?
 
jackc said:
The rating system is pretty meaningless, why worry about it? If the headline interests you, read more.
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Not really worried about it, I just think its really funny and I was a little curious as to why someone gave it a negative. Does someone really have a negative feeling about the post or are you upset because you have a G3? Ha ha that would suck.
Any news is good news on my mac...

Side Note: I did missed House tonight , I wish it was on itunes.
 
I'd just like to add that I am SUPER STOKED for friday..when my copy arrives. :D

About the guy who got his hands on a copy early:

"IF" he was even telling truth about pre-ordering a family pack, then I don't see a big problem with im downloading a leaked copy ahead of time. The real person who is at fault..are the seeders/people who uploaded the OS to him, because chances are...they did NOT buy a license or if they did, they should not be handing out free copies! Lay off the german guy. All he's done is give us info we were dying for anyway.


But if he was lying about the preordered family pack...then he shall burn in hell for all eternity.
 
New Mail Easier to setup for gmail as it now offers IMAP!!!!!!!!!!

Gmail goes IMAP: finally your mobile email client & Gmail fall in love

Posted Oct 24th 2007 1:36AM by Ryan Block
Filed under: Messaging, Software
It's absolutely no secret that Google has a few humble fans of their email service, whose prayers have finally been answered. G's giving its users free -- yes, free -- IMAP access to their inboxes; great for desktop users, sure, but the people most likely to benefit from this development are those on mobile email clients (especially those unable to use the Java Gmail app). Hell, Google knows it and even whipped up an iPhone setup page to help Apple users get the real Gmail experience (instead of that crap out of box implementation someone so wrongly thought we'd be satisfied with). How do you get IMAP enabled? Well, if you don't see it in your Gmail options, log out and back in again. Still don't see it? Wait. Wait, and check the blogs, friend.

[Via DownloadSquad, thanks to everyone who sent this in]

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/...ly-your-mobile-email-client-and-gmail-fall-i/
 
BWhaler said:
And this is a good thing?

Did you miss the news about Microsoft forcing Windows updates a month ago. Users had no choice. No one knew it happened or was going to happen. They got caught.

You think this is acceptable behavior for a company to do with your computer?

Microsoft Apologists are a weird bunch.
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Don't mistake my postings for Microsoft Apologetics. I hold a neutral viewpoint, hence my nickname. I try to bring balance to biased discussions. That's all.

But as for the Windows updates, most home users 'out there' have their computers set to automatically download and install Windows updates anyway. Corporate environments aren't bothered by this, as most of them disable this functionality and block access to the update site via their proxy servers. If you want better security on either your PC running Windows, or your Mac running OSX, switch off your modem now.

In the 'old days', ie, 10 years ago, all I was worried about as a computer technician was forgetting to scan a floppy disk for viruses before putting it in my computer. Ahh, such innocence...
 
DeaconGraves said:
I think you make a lot of valid points, but this is the same Apple that people were accusing of being all about the bottom dollar regarding locking the iPhone to AT&T and restricting 3rd party development. It just seems odd to me that people would feel in some cases that Apple doesn't care about piracy when they're being fairly proactive in other cases.
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Apple makes a ton of money from their hardware. They definitely have the best margins (since they dont sell loss leaders, like Dell, not because they are overpriced. Also, their product portfolio is simple, reducing unnecessary expenses). Since Mac OS X can only be run on Apple manufactured macs, the fact that you pirate Mac OS X, does not hurt apple as much, because they know you have paid them some money. Most people do not pirate, and Apple should not inconvenience the majority by adding activation (what would happen to "It just Works?") when the minority who do pirate would find a way around activation anyways (as has happened with every version of Windows).

Also, the lack of a 3rd party dev environment for the iphone was more a case of apple being cautious entering a brand new industry (and a complicated one at that) than them being greedy. I think originally they partnered with AT&T because that was the only way they could get them to agree to stuff like Visual VoiceMail and activation over iTunes. Also, I think this makes troubleshooting FAR easier for them, and keeps the consumer confidence and quality of the iPhone experience high. The profit margins dont hurt either, though.
 
If this is the released version, then why is the dev build number in the about box instead of 10.5.0 like on all other OS X versions?
 
stoutboy1 said:
Why all the negative ratings? Is it because most believe this is a pirated copy, or a not the gold master, or are not happy with what was reported, or what I want to know. I used to really like the ratings but now I think they are worthless. They should just force you to post to share your feelings. If there was a thread that stated :apple: was giving everyone a free computer and $1million dollars, 10 people would mark negative. I just don't get it, people should expand. I might be missing something I read the first couple pages of replies with no avail.
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I rated it negative for the simple fact that it seems MacRumors is supporting information gained possibly through piracy, and I don't like that fact. Its our prerogatives to vote how we like - that's why its there.

Merlyn3D said:
If this is the released version, then why is the dev build number in the about box instead of 10.5.0 like on all other OS X versions?
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If you click that text, it switches between different bits of information. You can try it in Tiger, it does the same.
 
Merlyn3D said:
If this is the released version, then why is the dev build number in the about box instead of 10.5.0 like on all other OS X versions?
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It is what it it is, all you have to do is click on "10.*" below and it'll switch between build number and serial on any OSX version.

Also, at the login window, you can click "10.*" below MacOS and cycle though to get the ip address.
 
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