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Why is it that the GM build is available on popular torrent sites, but not the developer connection? oh well...

An Apple-controlled release to boost sales and hype on their new OS just ahead of the launch.

What about ZFS? Read only? Read/write? Is it possible to format-initialize an internal/external drive as ZFS, install Leopard on it and boot from it? Does Time Machine work BETTER with ZFS-formatted disks? Thanks.

Well the developers did get that last minute functionality last week, so perhaps it has been included. I'd guess it hasn't though.

Is that true, I have a few iMac G4 1ghz and a G5 2.5DP which I could upgrade, some are still using Panther. I don't want to do this if they are likely to slow down because of the grater overheads of 10.5.

RAM.
 
Leopard was significantly slower than Tiger on the MacMini 1.5G4 I used to have.

Yikes......

I'm wondering if its even worth it to upgrade my 1.5GHz Powerbook G4 12". I would be mighty disappointed if it became slower due to Leopard.

I guess I'll hold out until I see some feedback from people installing on their Powerbooks......:(
 
Yikes......

I'm wondering if its even worth it to upgrade my 1.5GHz Powerbook G4 12". I would be mighty disappointed if it became slower due to Leopard.

I guess I'll hold out until I see some feedback from people installing on their Powerbooks......:(
I'll be installing on my 1.5GHz Powerbook G4 15" on Friday (hopefully), and I'll certainly be posting some feedback.
 
However, given that the name of this forum is MacRUMORS and the contributors by inference derive the bulk of their information from non-sanctioned or "unofficial" sources, the sheer volume of squealing on this thread boggles the mind. Just where do these beknighted individuals think that all of the info they happily read about on a daily basis comes from? "Legal", Cupertino-approved press-releases? Yes, that would be informative.:rolleyes:

Um, I think you're confusing rumours with illegal piracy...?!
 
Apple has lifted one tactic from Microsoft, and that is dropping support for the older models. Not because this would be too costly to support, but because by increasing the hardware requirement minimums (why should Apple need to do this if Leopard is better, faster and lighter than Tiger?) Apple guarantees that than any losses due to downloading are more than matched by others obliged to buy new hardware just to run the latest updated iTunes etc.

Oh honestly I've had enough of people complaining about lack of support - What are you missing out on - and when did apple promise support for years to come? When SHOULD they stop supporting your old computer - when you get a new one I suppose.

Can you still use an old computer? YES! You could even use OS 7 and it would still work fine - nobody forces anyone to upgrade their hardware. As for the threat of having to run iTunes 6 - not like its a BAD bit of software to start with!
 
Um, I think you're confusing rumours with illegal piracy...?!

I agree with wekart on this particular subject actually. Many rumours do not come from legitimate sources. Why everyones on their high-horse I do not know...:rolleyes:

I do disagree about wekart's comments regarding supporting old hardware however, a very small price for progress. Apple wants people to upgrade old machines as well.

Would people stop shouting their opinion though. Some peoples posts come across as positively angry!
 
"Tasks in Mail appear even if completed. That might be a bit distracting for some people"

No, no, this is good, it lets you get a sense of achievement by seeing the things you have completed which leaves you motivated to do the rest.

Other software disappears completed tasks, just leaving you with a list of tasks you haven't yet done, you complete failure, why don't you just give up now, eh?
 
well i must say i'm a little disappointed to see this guy on the front page. i thought these forums were against people like that

I didn't think I'd ever say that but I have to agree. After all the "we're against copying, etc." and now this? There is only one word that comes to mind and that is hypocrisy.
 
....and photobooth pictures of a fat, hairy man wearing a wife-beater doesnt help my food go down. He has obviously pirated his copy as it is no released yet, and I do not know why it was posted on the front page. ....Arn?
 
I didn't think I'd ever say that but I have to agree. After all the "we're against copying, etc." and now this? There is only one word that comes to mind and that is hypocrisy.

yeah i know. i'm not saying that i hate/dislike this guy or whatever, i'm just saying macrumors isn't being consistant here
 
Um, I think you're confusing rumours with illegal piracy...?!

on a more subjective plain, macrumors.com having posted leaked information about upcoming apple products, which received attention from Apple Legal, is in principle quite similar to illegal software piracy of apple applications...

while simple rumors may be less "serious" than downloading/installing mac os x for free, the balance quickly becomes more equal as "innocent rumors" = public and "guilty piracy" = private.
 
on a more subjective plain, macrumors.com having posted leaked information about upcoming apple products, which received attention from Apple Legal, is in principle quite similar to illegal software piracy of apple applications...

while simple rumors may be less "serious" than downloading/installing mac os x for free, the balance quickly becomes more equal as "innocent rumors" = public and "guilty piracy" = private.

Good point.
 
yeah i know. i'm not saying that i hate/dislike this guy or whatever, i'm just saying macrumors isn't being consistant here

Yeah, I too sometimes have a different opinion on copying, etc. than MR but if you're saying certain things at least be consistent and act accordingly.

Example:

Link

Serials, warez, etc... and facilitation of illegal ("against the law") matters are a separate issue and one we don't condone.

arn
 
Let's take a second to review the forum rules:


Warez/Serials/Keys. Do not post software serial numbers or keys or refer people to specific websites or software whose purpose is to break or bypass software licensing methods, distribute cracks, or obtain or use commercial software or media in violation of its license and/or for copyright violation. Do not ask for or give such help.


This thread and the one linked to, do not do any of these things... the poster was not telling people where to get it or overtly helping others, and while personally, I am not pleased to see that thread happen, I try to put my feelings to one side when looking at the situation from the board's rules and stance on these matters.

And I don't equate posting or releasing info about a product that MR has not signed an NDA for, as equivalent to 'in principle quite similar to illegal software piracy of apple applications'.
 
I really fail to see the argument about morality of posting info about Leopard before it's release. Is it wrong to pirate software? Yes it is. Is Macrumors advocating piracy? No they are not.

Hell, we have had numerous cases where people have posted screenshots of Leopard developer-builds. And that means that they violated their NDA. Did anyone complain? Hell no! Did anyone complain when those same people made comments about Leopard? Hell no! So why are people complaining now, when someone posts comments about an OS that will be on sale in few days? Why was it OK to break the NDA and provide info about Leopard, whereas it's NOT ok to report on comments someone made about the final Leopard? I MIGHT understand that argument if it was Macrumors itself that pirated Leopard and then commented on it, but they did not. Someone else did, and they just reported on their comments.
 
Well, what if he pre-ordered Leopard and still downloaded the final build ?

I wouldn't consider that piracy..after all he paid for it, he is just getting it quicker. I know would too.

After all, why is apple not allowing users to download Leopard from their site for the same price (or less) ?

I mean it's a win/win situation, users who want it now could pay and download it and for those who want the box they could still
order it.
 
I really fail to see the argument about morality of posting info about Leopard before it's release. Is it wrong to pirate software? Yes it is. Is Macrumors advocating piracy? No they are not.

Hell, we have had numerous cases where people have posted screenshots of Leopard developer-builds. And that means that they violated their NDA. Did anyone complain? Hell no! Did anyone complain when those same people made comments about Leopard? Hell no! So why are people complaining now, when someone posts comments about an OS that will be on sale in few days? Why was it OK to break the NDA and provide info about Leopard, whereas it's NOT ok to report on comments someone made about the final Leopard? I MIGHT understand that argument if it was Macrumors itself that pirated Leopard and then commented on it, but they did not. Someone else did, and they just reported on their comments.

Too right. I agree. Lets not let this discussion turn into a thread on the rights and wrongs of it, especially as its what much of a rumour site is based on.
 
I call that facilitating if you put someone on the front page that has pirated software. It shows that it is more or less ok and it'll get you onto the front page.
I am not against the thread in general but I think you're using some lose arguments here.
 
Stop this non-sense already...

This is just way out of hand. Most people are just impatient because they have to wait 2 more days. Has this come out a month earlier without saying it was from the Gold Master, everybody will be: How is this? and how is that? even if it were not an official copy.

Macrumors is not, in any way, promoting piracy by putting this information here for all of us to see. I actually find quite disrepecful all this comments questioning Arn. :mad:

....and photobooth pictures of a fat, hairy man wearing a wife-beater doesnt help my food go down. He has obviously pirated his copy as it is no released yet, and I do not know why it was posted on the front page. ....Arn?
 
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