i see what you're saying. but macrumors still isn't being consistant, in my eyes anyways.
the theme here i thought was "clean" forums, and i would say that this thread isn't so clean
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Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard First Impressions
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i see what you're saying. but macrumors still isn't being consistant, in my eyes anyways.
the theme here i thought was "clean" forums, and i would say that this thread isn't so clean
Macrumors is not, in any way, promoting piracy by putting this information here for all of us to see. I actually find quite disrepecful all this comments questioning Arn.
As if we really needed to have this inside information days before Leopard came out.
What have we learnt? That mail is fast?
Cons > Pros
EDIT: But I agree with BV. This thread is unfortunate, but legitimate. I would still ditch it though, as we shouldn't cling to the forum rules like a constitution without an element of common sense.
And if you write any kind of articles about Leopard developer-builds, you are basically saying that "You do not have to honor the agreements you make with others", right?
Why didn't you complain when someone violated their NDA and posted comments about Leopard developer-builds? Why do I get the feeling that what you did was not to complain, but to head over to ThinkSecret and looked at those Leopard-screenshots that were posted there in direct violation of the NDA? Am I right, or am I right? And the message those articles told everyone is that "hey, by breaking your NDA you can make it to the front-page of our website!"...
Jessica, I agree with you. This post will just encourage illegal file sharing. Which I think has two problems...
1. Lost of revenue for Apple. I don't want to lose Apple because of that and I don't want Apple to have to start with "Activation" to protect their product. They trust us, we should repay that trust by buying the product.
2. It just gives ammunition to the Music and Movie industries. I can hear the "I told you iPod owners steal music; that's why we need DRM" already.
It has the opposite effect for me.
I bought two copies of Vista Ultimate (I'm a software professional). I hate Microsoft's activation ******** with a passion. I have had XP machines get de-activated. I hate the fact that I had to give Microsoft money for this ********. Let alone that Ultimate isn't so ultimate, is it? I feel cheated. If I have to install any more Vista, I know of a workaround Microsoft is tolerating thanks to our communist Chinese pirate friends.
Since Apple doesn't pull this nonsense (yet), I have no problems giving them money for a family pack on my Macs and it's still cheaper than one upgrade copy of Vista. They deserve their money and they aren't ******s (about the OS).
Downloading a torrent for a sneak peek is a grey area I can tolerate if it's just for preview and the user is buying a real copy -- reminds me of the OSX86 excitement of running OSX on a normal Intel PC (that's how I got drawn in) now I have an Intel Macbook Pro and an Intel Mac Pro. If Leopard was farther away I'd probably download it -- but as it is, it's two days away and I don't have that much time on my hands, I'll just wait for the UPS guy to show up on Friday.
Oh I see...
Some people are just jealous because they have never made it to the front page. (just half-kidding)
It the info was published by this, or any rumors site for that matter, as received from one of their 'sources' then everybody will be happy.
Some people are just jealous because they have never made it to the front page. (just half-kidding)
It the info was published by this, or any rumors site for that matter, as received from one of their 'sources' then everybody will be happy.
We don't moderate to a theme, and on the whole, Arn is very careful to pay heed to the precise legal standings of this issue... and also pays attention to grey areas when they're discussed, which is why discussion of hacking iPhones, for instance, is permitted, because it's not illegal.
Committing a crime is illegal; talking about someone committing a crime and the details of their crime is not.
everyone has a reputation. so yes you do.
sure, this isn't a crime. but that doesn't mean it's right either.
and i'm not saying it's wrong. i just think if you're going to be against piracy, then be against it. posting this doesn't help your argument against it
Oh for god sake, will the moral police please give it a rest.
You don't approve, good for you. Go and take a long ride on your high horse and come back at 6pm on the 26th.
Maybe then you'll let those who are interested in the product actually read about it without your non-stop moaning.
FFS
You don't approve, good for you. Go and take a long ride on your high horse and come back at 6pm on the 26th.
Maybe then you'll let those who are interested in the product actually read about it without your non-stop moaning.
FFS
Oh for god sake, will the moral police please give it a rest.
You don't approve, good for you. Go and take a long ride on your high horse and come back at 6pm on the 26th.
Maybe then you'll let those who are interested in the product actually read about it without your non-stop moaning.
FFS
well, last night the "moral police" did their job by running this guy off
i'm not saying i don't agree with this, i want to read about it. i'm talking about the fact that it's on the front page of these forums. i might expect to see it on the front of other forums, but i didn't think i'd see it on this one
Oh for god sake, will the moral police please give it a rest.
You don't approve, good for you. Go and take a long ride on your high horse and come back at 6pm on the 26th.
Maybe then you'll let those who are interested in the product actually read about it without your non-stop moaning..
FFS
FWIW, i'm not one of the moral police. However, i do believe in tact and timing. Given Leopard is out in 2 days, why was this put on the front page when it was bound to cause an uproar?
I'm saying that it's hypocritical for people to whine when someone posts comments about Leopard by using a pirated copy of the OS, while those very same people readily accepted comments made by people who violated their NDA's by posting comments and screenshots of Leopard developer-builds. Why is former verboten while latter is perfectly OK?
And what are these comments about, basically? That MacRumors is advocating piracy. No, they are not. They are reporting what the final build of Leopard is like. It's the same they have been doing with those various developer-builds as well, and no-one complained back then, quite the opposite in fact. They are not telling anyone to pirate Leopard, they are not providing others with information on how to pirate Leopard. They are simply reporting what the final build is like, no more, no less.
Knowing where you stand legally and acting upon it, is not the same as being against something. I'm personally against pirating, but I don't moderate here according to my principles, I moderate to the board's policies based on its owners' understanding of the law.
I'm just as interested as hearing first impressions about Leopard as anyone else so am quite happy to read about it, it's not like I'm encouraging or helping anyone to go and pirate it. I will buy my copy of Leopard.
What I want to know is: does it feel better suited to Intel machines than Tiger? How does it run on PPC machines?
Unless it is sub judice
Heh, which this is not. Unless the court of public opinion is suddenly running the place.
Screenshot of Retail version which has been leaked into the internet:
http://bayimg.com/gAHGBaAbl
As you can see it's Retail versions, look at "About this Mac" window and dock on the right side.
http://bayimg.com/gAHGBaAbl
As you can see it's Retail versions, look at "About this Mac" window and dock on the right side.
I am confusing nothing. Perhaps you could try to understand the point I am making which is one of hyprocrisy. There is nothing, repeat, nothing innocent about rumours. If it does not appear on a company-approved press release, then it is leaked. End of.
I equally have had enough of people who do not take the time to read posts and understand the point being made. Who is complaining? I merely observed a business strategy Apple has adopted to maintain its bottom line. Consider this: Either Leopard is faster than Tiger, in which case there is no need to exclude only some G4 processor based setups which run happily under Tiger, or it is a bloated pig of an upgrade a la Vista, in which case you have little reason to upgrade, whatever hardware you have. I have no problems with dropping G3s or even G4s, G5s and Core Duos, when the time comes, but the starting line at at G4 867GHz for Leopard looks surprisingly arbitrary.
Bear also in mind that Microsoft drops support for software only. Its operating systems can be installed on antique rubbish, even if you would not realistically want to.
well, last night the "moral police" did their job by running this guy off
i'm not saying i don't agree with this, i want to read about it. i'm talking about the fact that it's on the front page of these forums. i might expect to see it on the front of other forums, but i didn't think i'd see it on this one
You know, I can't even be bothered to get in to this with anyone any further - arguments for and against - just had to say my piece after trying to read through this thread.
It's out in a few days and there's a few screen shots floating around now. It would be nice to discuss what we know from these sneak peaks without reading through pages and pages of little apple fan boys and goody-to-shoes harping on and on.
well not all of the people that have something to say fall under that category, including myself. but that's not the point anyways.
that's your opinion. i don't think they are necessarily promoting piracy. but since it's clear that is what this guy did, and he "made the front page", people aren't gonna like that. not around here
it's not that i don't like it. i just didn't think macrumors would do this
The dock actually looks pretty good one the side, huge improvements over the 3D dock. The blue dots stand out really well.
i will agree with you there. but why put this here on the front page?
actually i just like to argue
I post twice and i'm singled out as a fanboi and the like? Please do not sulk, sir.
/Signing out of thread, where relevant comments are no longer welcome