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I rated it negative for the simple fact that it seems MacRumors is supporting information gained possibly through piracy, and I don't like that fact.
A site like this gets its biggest scoop when someone has done something shady. Of course it can't condone how it gets its info - whether that's by an Apple employee breaking an NDA, or someone with access to a pile of DVDs in mid-shipment creating a DMG and uploading - but it's these leaks that the site relies on to earn its pageviews.

If Apple don't like it, it's up to them to C&D or whatever. If you as an Apple shareholder don't like it, you can speak to Apple about policy change. However (not directed at you, but at arguments in general I've been reading here):
  • Activation has nothing to do with stopping unauthorised copies and everything to do with removing a sense of control from the consumer. I have a paid-for retail copy of XP which I have installed and bypassed activation and WGA on, for example, because I object to the notion of a remote off-switch. Driver update can cause Vista deactivation - you think that's about preventing piracy? Please do not propose activation; it will reduce legitimate customers and create a minor, fixable inconvenience for pirates.
  • Copyright is covered by The Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 in the UK, and Title 17 of the United States Code in the USA. Breaking copyright, where a facsimile is made but the original is left intact, is thus not the same as regular ol' theft - in the UK, per Theft Act 1968, "A person is guilty of theft, if he dishonestly appropriates property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it." Even then, the Act expands on each term - consider this judgment beginning at "The Theft Act 1968 was passed in an attempt to simplify" (irony!) for a taster of complexity. Nor is breaking copyright the same as breaking EULAs, the legality of which may not even have been tested in your jurisdiction (extra terms revealed after exchange of consideration). For legal advice, consult a lawyer. For moral advice, consult a parent, preacher or politician :D.
 
I post twice and i'm singled out an a fanboi and the like? Please do not sulk, sir.

/Signing out of thread, where relevant comments are no longer welcome
I quoted you in order to reply to you to say that I'm not going to argue the case any further. Please do not sulk, sir. :rolleyes:

/ toddles off to torrent sites :eek: :rolleyes:
 
Heh, which this is not. Unless the court of public opinion is suddenly running the place.

I didn't say it was (there was a smiley next to it)

Calm down dear :D

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Knowing where you stand legally and acting upon it, is not the same as being against something. I'm personally against pirating, but I don't moderate here according to my principles, I moderate to the board's policies based on its owners' understanding of the law.

I'm just as interested as hearing first impressions about Leopard as anyone else so am quite happy to read about it, it's not like I'm encouraging or helping anyone to go and pirate it. I will buy my copy of Leopard.

you can say that, but in reality, "promoting piracy", which in a sense, is what this is, is working against your "laws" around here.

just b/c posting this thread "slips" by your "laws", does't mean it won't have a negative influence.

you say your not encouraging, but actually you are, just indirectly. you can deny that if you want, but that's just avoiding the facts. just look at the publicity this has gotten already. i gurantee more people are downloading it now
 
Mods! Someone has posted a picture of M*****l W****r.:eek:

Surely, that is against all possibly known rules, anywhere. And illegal. Or should be.

Please remove, Thnx.
 
i gurantee more people are downloading it now
Oh please. what nonsense.

The people that were always going to pirate it will be doing so.

The vast amount of Apple minions that were always going to buy it will still be doing so.

Apple will still be laughing their big heads off all the way to the bank at the end of this quarter and for the foreseeable future.
 
you can say that, but in reality, "promoting piracy", which in a sense, is what this is, is working against your "laws" around here.


We're not talking about "laws" of the board, we're talking about the law. The one that gets you into trouble.

Anyway, enough of this. Arn and the people that run this site know exactly what they're doing.
 
you can say that, but in reality, "promoting piracy", which in a sense, is what this is, is working against your "laws" around here.

just b/c posting this thread "slips" by your "laws", does't mean it won't have a negative influence.

you say your not encouraging, but actually you are, just indirectly. you can deny that if you want, but that's just avoiding the facts. just look at the publicity this has gotten already. i gurantee more people are downloading it now

Actually, the information in this thread and others is what convinced me to buy it on amazon w/ their $20 off, plus a gift card I had laying around. I don't see how discussing a piece of software that has yet to come out is going to cause anyone to illegally download it if they didn't have that intention in the first place. If they were going to do it, they were going to do it.
 
It feels a bit like MacRumors is supporting pirating by giving this guy prime front page space. Its not a Rumour since its all stuff we already knew from the developer releases. Disappointed.
 
Oh please. what nonsense.

The people that were always going to pirate it will be doing so.

The vast amount of Apple minions that were always going to buy it will still be doing so.

Apple will still be laughing their big heads off all the way to the bank at the end of this quarter and for the foreseeable future.

that's always everyone's excuse. like a father telling his son to not smoke, but while he smokes. and when his son ends up smoking, he blames that he got it from the kids at school.

We're not talking about "laws" of the board, we're talking about the law. The one that gets you into trouble.

Anyway, enough of this. Arn and the people that run this site know exactly what they're doing.

even worse. but this board does have it's own rules, which is my whole point of this argument.

so you're giving up, huh? ;)

Actually, the information in this thread and others is what convinced me to buy it on amazon w/ their $20 off, plus a gift card I had laying around. I don't see how discussing a piece of software that has yet to come out is going to cause anyone to illegally download it if they didn't have that intention in the first place. If they were going to do it, they were going to do it.

but we're discussing someone's opinion of the software, after he illegally got it. there are other forums for this type of discussion, but, before today, used to not be this one
 
Macrumors is obviously extremely morally corrupt then. Macrumors shouldn't post any screen shots until release day and wave good bye to all the traffic, interest, and buzz it generates.

****ing hell.

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Me too, but as I'll only have the uptodate disk to work with, its gonna take a while unfortunately.

What makes you think the uptodate disk is anything but the exact same disk everyone else gets? Much less an upgrade disk that requires having 10.4 installed?
 
even worse. but this board does have it's own rules, which is my whole point of this argument.

so you're giving up, huh? ;)


And as moderators we know exactly what those rules are, which is more than some people around here seem to understand and which don't cover situations like this. And no I'm not giving up, I'm just witholding some of the powers available to me. ;)
 
i've honestly never understood torrents. dont they take days to dl?

If it was reported to have first leaked yesterday or the day before...and this was posted yesterday...you do the math. I think the fact that people are running it three days before release is a pretty good explanation why people do it.

Honestly, I find it pretty funny that people are complaining about this story because it came from someone with a leaked copy. Where do you think ALL the stories about Leopard and other prerelease software have come from? It's either bootleg copies or people with legit copies breaking their NDA. If you really want to take the moral high ground, don't read rumor sites at all - this complaining comes off as hypocritical.
 
Honestly, I find it pretty funny that people are complaining about this story because it came from someone with a leaked copy. Where do you think ALL the stories about Leopard and other prerelease software have come from? It's either bootleg copies or people with legit copies breaking their NDA. If you really want to take the moral high ground, don't read rumor sites at all - this complaining comes off as hypocritical.

you do have a point here. and no, you werent the first to say it.

i'm just arguing the fact that macrumors is so "anti-piracy"
 
i'm just arguing the fact that macrumors is so "anti-piracy"
So then what are you arguing about!?!?!?!

You accept that every single bit of news on pre-release operating systems past and present has come from someone breaking the rules, yet you continue to visit a rumour site that reports on this sort of thing only to complain about it. Inspired.
 
Facilitating means making something easier, to assist, to bring something about... something which MR has not done.

According to my understanding it is making it easier for people because it'll take away any moral concerns they might have had.
Maybe not easier in a technical way but easier in an ethical way definitely.

well, last night the "moral police" did their job by running this guy off :)

i'm not saying i don't agree with this, i want to read about it. i'm talking about the fact that it's on the front page of these forums. i might expect to see it on the front of other forums, but i didn't think i'd see it on this one

Exactly. It is not so much the thread, it is the fact that it is on the front page that is kind of bothering me.
 
I think the problem here isn't that the story got published, its that the user who wrote on the forums was talking about pirated software and in the past anyone who mentions having acquired software illegally is banned or wastelanded on here.
The fact that the guy claims to have bought a license is a moot point. He may have pre-ordered a copy but will have downloaded Leopard illegally. People that buy Tiger but then go and download and install a hacked version of it on their PCs are breaking the law too. I'm not saying these are the most morally wrong things, the problem is that the forums generally run a no tolerance rule for any pirated software.
If the user had posted on somewhere like the InsanelyMac forums and had been linked as a front page article then there wouldn't be a problem.
 
Upset about the "Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard First Impressions" thread?

Macrumors is obviously extremely morally corrupt then. Macrumors shouldn't post any screen shots until release day and wave good bye to all the traffic, interest, and buzz it generates.

****ing hell.

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Sarcasm... very mature way of having a discussion. :rolleyes:

I am sorry that you would like to get back talking about the torrent but I think this needs to be discussed and if not here, at least do something helpful and split it into a separate thread in forum feedback. ;)
 
The dock actually looks pretty good one the side, huge improvements over the 3D dock. The blue dots stand out really well.

Sorry. I guess I'm one of the only ones who likes the 3D dock better at the bottom as well as on the side. It's just a nice change and change is almost always good in the end.;) Don't be scared of the new dock you will get used to it.
 
While I am just as excited (ok not as much) as the next person, is it really wise/right/sane to make this news when someone openly said he downloaded an illegal copy of the software but feels validated in doing so since he pre-ordred a family pack? Just curious but clearly it's ok or it wouldn't be here.

Leopard appears cool and it is great that the person who downloaded it finds mail to be blazing fast. RSS fees in Mail is indeed a cool feature. Not a must have but it will become a great to have in no time at all.

1) Having had a look at the guys Photoboth Photos, I think he has been punished enough with the looks he has. Reminds me of a dirty old fish 'n chip shop owner with hairy shoulders/back.

2) People do anything to justify their actions when breaking the law - for me, I'm going to wait, not only for moral reaosns but because I want to have the 'excitement' of actually receiving the genuine thing, installing it. They say that if you wait for something you desire, it'll feel all the better once received.

3) Regarding 'teh snappy' - apparently there have been big changes threading wise - so hopefully Arstechnica will do a good indepth analyse of it at a later date.
 
Just to reiterate, I don't think the thread itself is that much of a problem, although that could be argued, it is more that the thread was put on the front page. Especially since the original poster has talked about pirating it and usually those threads are wastelanded immediately not put on the front page.
I am not necessarily talking morals here more about consistency and I just think MR should be consistent either way.
 
Just to reiterate, I don't think the thread itself is that much of a problem, although that could be argued, it is more that the thread was put on the front page. Especially since the original poster has talked about pirating it and usually those threads are wastelanded immediately not put on the front page.
I am not necessarily talking morals here more about consistency and I just think MR should be consistent either way.

That's how I feel too. Yes, yes, we know MR doesn't support piracy and that's great. But when you put a random user's exploits in pirating on the front page you're indirectly supporting it, as people who want to get the scoop the next time will possibly pirate.

It also alerts people to the availability of a leaked copy. Sure, if they wanted one they would probably already be searching for it, but why do we have to let everyone know.

Also, the review given by the person is honestly not that helpful. No new secret features that might be there or anything that hasn't been told before. Its just subjective comments. If he wants to go on the forums and talk about it, its his perogative, but since when is this news?

Lastly, a forum suggestion. When the system decides a news thread has gone way off topic (like in a situation like this) enough to create a feeback thread, please update the front page and tell people its there. It'll make it seem less like you are trying to cover something up (plus it'll probably make the Mods' jobs easier by not having people continuing to post in the main thread.
 
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