If someone were to let me in on the origins of the "Safari seems snappier" joke, I'd promise to never, ever say it myself, at least on this forum.
[edit] never mind, I read further in and found out myself. Now I don't have to promise not to say it.
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If someone were to let me in on the origins of the "Safari seems snappier" joke, I'd promise to never, ever say it myself, at least on this forum.
[edit] never mind, I read further in and found out myself. Now I don't have to promise not to say it.
My ten cents....
I belong to a couple forums online, MacRumors being one, BlackberryForums being another. What I will tell you is I believe forums are about freely exchanging ideas, comments, and even criticism.
There are forums that are heavily moderated, like BlackberryForums.com where the moderators are so heavy-fisted that they run the show as dictators, banning people for speaking out against another member, disagreeing with their opinions, etc.
It's the opposite here, seems anything goes, but which would you rather see? Personally I like to be uncensored. I know most people here are also from the US, and for some reason many people in the US enjoy the feeling of being watched over, and having news delivered as the deliverer wants it to be seen, but c'mon.
At the end of the day, it's not about the ethics or beliefs or anything having to do with MacRumors. There is no way MacRumors is encouraging illegal activity to take place any more than the news reporting a murder causes someone to go out and kill someone.
MacRumors is being a responsible moderator in this situation and I commend them for the position they've taken. Good news or bad news, people have Leopard legit or not.
People who are arguing against it, either deal with it or move to another country where you don't have the freedom of speech and press that you do here, or just close your browser. I'd much rather get truth and accurate information and be responsible for my own actions.
You can either shelter your kid and he'll grow up to be a freak, or you can teach them to be responsible for themselves. Ignorance of temptation never solved anything. Kinda sounds like a democrat vs republican debate, lol.
Regards
I belong to a couple forums online, MacRumors being one, BlackberryForums being another. What I will tell you is I believe forums are about freely exchanging ideas, comments, and even criticism.
There are forums that are heavily moderated, like BlackberryForums.com where the moderators are so heavy-fisted that they run the show as dictators, banning people for speaking out against another member, disagreeing with their opinions, etc.
It's the opposite here, seems anything goes, but which would you rather see? Personally I like to be uncensored. I know most people here are also from the US, and for some reason many people in the US enjoy the feeling of being watched over, and having news delivered as the deliverer wants it to be seen, but c'mon.
At the end of the day, it's not about the ethics or beliefs or anything having to do with MacRumors. There is no way MacRumors is encouraging illegal activity to take place any more than the news reporting a murder causes someone to go out and kill someone.
MacRumors is being a responsible moderator in this situation and I commend them for the position they've taken. Good news or bad news, people have Leopard legit or not.
People who are arguing against it, either deal with it or move to another country where you don't have the freedom of speech and press that you do here, or just close your browser. I'd much rather get truth and accurate information and be responsible for my own actions.
You can either shelter your kid and he'll grow up to be a freak, or you can teach them to be responsible for themselves. Ignorance of temptation never solved anything. Kinda sounds like a democrat vs republican debate, lol.
Regards
The original thread was wastelanded, a decision taken overnight.
The placing of the story on the front page is an editorial and site owner's decision, the moderating of the ensuing discussion falls to the moderators, some of whom are in different time zones than the people that made decisions earlier in the day.
I understand the calls for consistency, but the consistency is particularly aimed at and is important to the legal standing of MR, not the overall moral philosopy of the argument for pirating. An argument I also don't have much truck with, but I put those personal feelings aside to moderate the board in line with its clear policies.
This is not being Big Brother or Big Sister, it's being clear about what is permitted, where it is permitted and what is not permitted on MR.
The placing of the story on the front page is an editorial and site owner's decision, the moderating of the ensuing discussion falls to the moderators, some of whom are in different time zones than the people that made decisions earlier in the day.
I understand the calls for consistency, but the consistency is particularly aimed at and is important to the legal standing of MR, not the overall moral philosopy of the argument for pirating. An argument I also don't have much truck with, but I put those personal feelings aside to moderate the board in line with its clear policies.
This is not being Big Brother or Big Sister, it's being clear about what is permitted, where it is permitted and what is not permitted on MR.
Depends on your internet speed as well as how many peers/seeders there are.
Some things as big as 2gigs can be dl'd in a matter of an hour or so in the right conditions.
I would NEVER dl a pirated OS. Its the core of your system and there is too much at stake for things to not work properly.
what's going on? you just told us to discuss this in forum feedback. you said this was absolutely clear. now you're discussing here. i'm confused.
I suppose in the UK at least, this is a form of 'Theft by Consumption'! He may have had the intent to pay for it but 'consumed' the product before the transaction was complete. Much like eating a sandwich whilst walking round a supermarket whilst shopping.
To be honest, this has gotten out of hand. I agree with the Michael Winner picture. Anyone would think the sky was falling on our heads to quote Asterix & Obelix...
To be honest, this has gotten out of hand. I agree with the Michael Winner picture. Anyone would think the sky was falling on our heads to quote Asterix & Obelix...
under-promise and over-deliver
You can deliver the pizza in 20 minutes, so tell the customer it will be 40 minutes. Then if it takes you 30 minutes, they'll be happier than if you'd said 20. In other words, lower their expectations.
I've noticed Apple takes that approach to certain things sometimes. My wife's Shuffle stays charged for WAY longer than promised, and mine certainly has more than 240 songs on it. And everything I've ever ordered from Apple has come expedited, and I've never requested it.
(I've remerged the site feedback thread into this one)
Here's the official response from the site owner. Site policy about the talk of piracy has been very consistent over the years.
Here's a post I made in 2005
Someone posting their experiences with the Retail version of Leopard onto a public forum is newsworthy. People care about it, and that's why it is on the front page. Even that Retail Leopard has been leaked by itself is newsworthy and there will certainly be stories about it in the mainstream media later today.
I've posted this before, but a close parallel is AppleInsider's Leopard series. That information was obtained through a pirated version of Mac OS X Leopard Developer Seed. Almost certainly. It's unlikely that AppleInsider signed the NDA required to legally obtain Mac OS X Leopard.
Now, I understand that it may leave a bad taste in some people's mouths that the original source of this may likely have obtained a copy illegally. But this individual chose to do so and posted the information in a public forum. At that moment, the information contained was "out there" and of interest.
MacRumors did not ask that individual or any other individual to pirate Leopard to obtain any information.
I'm comfortable with this distinction, and still consider the information newsworthy.
arn
Here's the official response from the site owner. Site policy about the talk of piracy has been very consistent over the years.
Here's a post I made in 2005
Someone posting their experiences with the Retail version of Leopard onto a public forum is newsworthy. People care about it, and that's why it is on the front page. Even that Retail Leopard has been leaked by itself is newsworthy and there will certainly be stories about it in the mainstream media later today.
I've posted this before, but a close parallel is AppleInsider's Leopard series. That information was obtained through a pirated version of Mac OS X Leopard Developer Seed. Almost certainly. It's unlikely that AppleInsider signed the NDA required to legally obtain Mac OS X Leopard.
Now, I understand that it may leave a bad taste in some people's mouths that the original source of this may likely have obtained a copy illegally. But this individual chose to do so and posted the information in a public forum. At that moment, the information contained was "out there" and of interest.
MacRumors did not ask that individual or any other individual to pirate Leopard to obtain any information.
I'm comfortable with this distinction, and still consider the information newsworthy.
arn
I am so tired of people whining "piracy this" and "piracy that" and how evil someone is for getting a copy of leopard before the release date.
Are you all jealous that someone gets to play with the shiny new toy before you?
Seriously, I'm pretty sure anyone who's pirated the GM or previous release already has a pre-order in. So technically they've paid for what they're using; they just got it a bit early.
I 'borrowed' a seed DVD from a developer friend of mine and played with one of the betas. Am I a horrible pirate because of this? Did I deny Apple any income? HELL NO. I'm going to pay for Leopard just like everyone else and support Apple's great platform.
Just because a few of us might cheat a little to get a look at things early does not make us horrible monsters. We are not depriving Apple of anything. If anything, we're spreading news about the awesomeness of Leopard and building up even more excitement, which I'm sure Apple doesn't mind.
Get over yourselves. Sure there are people who will pirate and not pay, but I doubt that includes anyone here. I bet 99% of folks here running releases "early" already have their pre-orders in.
Are you all jealous that someone gets to play with the shiny new toy before you?
Seriously, I'm pretty sure anyone who's pirated the GM or previous release already has a pre-order in. So technically they've paid for what they're using; they just got it a bit early.
I 'borrowed' a seed DVD from a developer friend of mine and played with one of the betas. Am I a horrible pirate because of this? Did I deny Apple any income? HELL NO. I'm going to pay for Leopard just like everyone else and support Apple's great platform.
Just because a few of us might cheat a little to get a look at things early does not make us horrible monsters. We are not depriving Apple of anything. If anything, we're spreading news about the awesomeness of Leopard and building up even more excitement, which I'm sure Apple doesn't mind.
Get over yourselves. Sure there are people who will pirate and not pay, but I doubt that includes anyone here. I bet 99% of folks here running releases "early" already have their pre-orders in.
A useful article and thread on an early Leopard feature and performance report degenerates into useless name-calling and "moral" policing. Oh my gosh, who the hell cares?
Now I remember why I hardly come here any more. Certain riders of high horses ruin it for the rest of us. Why can't they start their own thread? I helpfully suggest "OMG Haxorz piratz ruined my breakfast!!11" as a subject line.
Now I remember why I hardly come here any more. Certain riders of high horses ruin it for the rest of us. Why can't they start their own thread? I helpfully suggest "OMG Haxorz piratz ruined my breakfast!!11" as a subject line.
If someone were to let me in on the origins of the "Safari seems snappier" joke, I'd promise to never, ever say it myself, at least on this forum.
[edit] never mind, I read further in and found out myself. Now I don't have to promise not to say it.
There's no one origin but back in the days when Mac OS X's performance was pretty poor, weighed down by modest G4s and Quartz-everything, the first thing everyone wanted to know about the tiniest updates was if the system was faster.
Of course, many updates cause the system to be optimised, even if there's no actual performance boost from the upgrade. Hence, people would report that the 'Finder seems snappier' due to this optimisation or perhaps due simply to the placebo effect.
When Mac OS X's performance increased it was the fact that Mac browsers weren't actually quite as fast as PC ones that became the big issue. Safari therefore replaced the Finder for forum injokes.
So this is 6gb?
On my paltry connection that would take a week to download, limited of course so the internet is still useable. (whilst also letting my own apps and games to still be uploaded)
I couldn't even download it before my pre-ordered version arrives
On my paltry connection that would take a week to download, limited of course so the internet is still useable. (whilst also letting my own apps and games to still be uploaded)
I couldn't even download it before my pre-ordered version arrives
You're my new hero!!!
I was really looking forward to getting some sneak previews of the OS and getting the opinion of someone else on the benefits/pitfalls of Leopard. I'm sure that all those calling names and fighting for their moral ideas are very proud of themselves for their policing of this thread.....just a shame that the guy who started this all off is no doubt long gone!
Good, bad, and ugly.
Leopard has not yet reached its first point update. We have 10 going on 11 for Tiger. Overall, there appears to be more good than bad.
Good : Faster Finder with simplified LAN computer access, Cover Flow, Quick Look, Time Machine, iChat screen sharing, Automator recording, auto font activation, simplified printing dialog, Alex, and Mail enhancements. (RIP twirling lollypop.)
Bad : Translucent menu bar, the Dock.
Ugly : The Dock.
Leopard has not yet reached its first point update. We have 10 going on 11 for Tiger. Overall, there appears to be more good than bad.
Good : Faster Finder with simplified LAN computer access, Cover Flow, Quick Look, Time Machine, iChat screen sharing, Automator recording, auto font activation, simplified printing dialog, Alex, and Mail enhancements. (RIP twirling lollypop.)
Bad : Translucent menu bar, the Dock.
Ugly : The Dock.
Can you speak for every person here when you say "people are not going to like it"?
I guess the one distinction I'd make between AppleInsider's series and this post was that AppleInsider didn't really comment at all about where they were getting their info/screenshots from. As far as I'm aware they just went straight into discussing history/features.
Does it make it better? Probably not. Does it justify their posting and not MacRumors'? Absolutely not. But I think that MR's bringing attention to the fact that it was "illegally obtained' information and restating its piracy stance is what caused the ongoing debate.
Now, how does one post this story (seeing its all one user's comments) without metioning the piracy issue? Good question.
Round'n'Round, It don't take much to get me on the ground
I am reminded of two things in this thread:
1). The child who knows where Birthday presents are hidden, views them, and Looses the surprise of solar conjunction.
2). The big rated television show that creates multiple endings, in order to 'throw everyone off' on predicting the final episode.
I am under the impression Apple is aware of number 2, what was displayed as rumor was not Gold, and look forward to Friday's release.
I am reminded of two things in this thread:
1). The child who knows where Birthday presents are hidden, views them, and Looses the surprise of solar conjunction.
2). The big rated television show that creates multiple endings, in order to 'throw everyone off' on predicting the final episode.
I am under the impression Apple is aware of number 2, what was displayed as rumor was not Gold, and
look forward to Friday's release.
I guess the one distinction I'd make between AppleInsider's series and this post was that AppleInsider didn't really comment at all about where they were getting their info/screenshots from. As far as I'm aware they just went straight into discussing history/features.
Does it make it better? Probably not. Does it justify their posting and not MacRumors'? Absolutely not. But I think that MR's bringing attention to the fact that it was "illegally obtained' information and restating its piracy stance is what caused the ongoing debate.
Now, how does one post this story (seeing its all one user's comments) without metioning the piracy issue? Good question.
I think it was macrumors members that demanded the original poster to tell them where he got it from. He was trying (Badly
) to keep it quiet!
stockholders?
I suspect many of the "moral" crusaders on this forum are AAPL stockholders who are afraid too many people downloading pirated versions of Leopard will result in reduced returns and thus lengthen the amount of time before they can put the down payment on their yacht. I sympathize.
BTW- Any word of if Safari is snappier in Leopard?
I suspect many of the "moral" crusaders on this forum are AAPL stockholders who are afraid too many people downloading pirated versions of Leopard will result in reduced returns and thus lengthen the amount of time before they can put the down payment on their yacht. I sympathize.
BTW- Any word of if Safari is snappier in Leopard?
This screenshot is a bit. . . "informative".
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Aside from that, I think everyone is so up in arms about the 'leaked' copy of leopard is because we all really really like apple and their products ( well, most of us ). I think we all find common ground here on the rumor site not because we are looking for freebies or hints on how to recieve pirated or free apple software, but because we all have a great respect for Apple and their products.
Aside from the faulty iPhones or or product manufacturing defects, we all really appreciate what apple does for the consumer, and we wake up everymorning and thank who or whatever it is that breathed life into this universe that we no longer have to use that machine that has more venom than satan himself, called a 'PC'.
I'm dissapointed too that it was leaked, but what are you going to do? He's not the only one who DLed this, apple maybe shouldve taken more precaution with shipping preperation? Not everyone is so trustworthy? But just like anything good, like the ending to a Harry Potter novel or Kanye's Graduation album on the torrents, Apple decided not to pull a Bay and put padlocks on all their Leopard crates. I'm not saying Apple is at fault for this, I'm saying it's just going to happen. We can look the other way, but in the next 2 days, the people who DL Leopard weren't planning on purchasing it in the first place. Probably wait until it's released and put onto the torrents.
I'm glad to hear everything runs smoothly so far. Glad Apple pulled off their second anticipated ship/release date. I understand arn or anyone of the moderators do not condone pirating software. It's simple to see it was posted because we don't approve, but we're interested enough to peek at it. Like the accident on the side of the road. .