Mac OS X 10.6.2 Build 10C519f Seeded to Developers

[MorphingDragon]

Boot Camp was released on a minor version. We've had new glide pad gestures added as well as GUI tweaks. The first release of Safari was added in-between major version so why the lack of faith that Apple might add something new and free to OSX on minor releases? History tells that they might.

Here's what I'm looking for:

1) A full ZFS implementation (read, write, format, etc)
2) A marriage of Mail, iCal, and Stickies into Mail. I want a calendar in Mail and if I have an appointments I can glance at a mini-calendar in Mail or click on it to bring up the full iCal. Stickies should be mailable. iCal should have a feature for responses to invitations to count how many replies a person gets for an event. These are just some ideas.
3) With malware growing on the Mac platform a preference pane for configuring protection and regular definition updates coming bundled with security fixes.
4) More games than just Chess (e.g. Solitaire, Poker, Hearts, Soduko, Go, etc) built into the default load of OSX.
5) Now that Apple bought a mapping software company I want maps built into the OS like they supply the dictionary. I want data detectors with that that will recognize addresses and give me options to map it or get directions.

Am I asking for too much? I don't think so.

ZFS is not needed or is actually that good ATM. Plus its future is a little bit in the dark.

So integrating Mail/iCal/Address Book in other words? yay well finally have something comparable to Outlook.

They could just buy the code from KDE and just put the KDE Games on it. Heck just get mac ports yourself.

 

[hiimamac]

Ho ho ho.

Actually if Apple were to supply all of that they'd be introducing so many more bugs that Snow Leopard wouldn't be stable until 10.6.5.

I know a lot of people thought leopard was grounbreaking but you know what, a d I've said this before, google Sun Microsystems project looking gass and watch the video about 2-3 minutes in when they are in front of a crowd. Years ago and where most of leopard hot it's ideas. Go ahead. Check it out

Peace.

 

[hiimamac]

Actuaclly. MHz does matter now it just matters with the dou core. Eg a 2.4 dou core vs a 4.0 dou core will tronce the 2.4. It was PowerPC and AMD that changed all that and informed consumers that megahertz was a lie at the time. In fact. Intel need 1.0 EXTRA ghz just to compete with a slower amd atlon and brought intel prices way down. Now that intel has no one to compete at the top, although they say amd may change that in a year with 6 cores vs intels 4, thisnisnwhy intel is back to their old ways of charging a fortune for the high end. Back in the day. AMD kept intel incheck. If anything, you WANT AMD to succeed



Peace

You need to get up to date, nobody cares about the GHz anymore, that has been dead for at least 3 years by now. It's all about multicores and instructions per clock and so on nowadays.

A modern 2009 CPU at 2.0Ghz can process data much much faster than any 4.0-6.0GHz chips from a few generations ago.

Also, Apple did not switch to Intel because primarily IBM couldn't build 3GHz chips, they have other reasons. The fact is Intel was the smarter way to go with performance per watt, performance per clock and so on. IBM didn't have anything that was near in those fields. They could've build a 3.0Ghz chip no problem except it would be too frigging hot and consume so much power, it isn't funny. Apple wants a chip that can perform like 4.0ghz but is at 2.0ghz with low power consumption and less heat so that they can put things in thin profiles like iMacs and macbooks.

 

[hiimamac]

Man, I just want to read some post but sometimes I need to help. Lol

here is what i do.
On mbpro 2.4 mid 2008 is tiger.
On two 800 fitrdrivea also daisey chained with very high end audio gear and ine USB backupdrive
I have
10.4.11, 10.5.7,10.5.8.10.6.1 migration and 10.6.1 clean install. This gives me the ability to check things out got a while. I have yet to change 104.11 on mbpro to leopard. When I do, I will flown it on a HD.

Also, did you know, most font, but in apple stores wher employees clock in and listen to sales pitch of the day called dailey "D", they dis not update to Leopard until almost 7 months later plus I have screen shots if a virus program running in the background on all thee machines. You can't damaga the store macs, it's pretty cool, wish they would sell this to public, but if you gonintonstore and trash everything in libtrary, wg, as soon as it boots itvreturns ro it's last mirrors imaga.
Just thought you should know


Peace.

The majority of the people I know are still using OS 10.4. The say that they willchange to OS 10.5 in the future but the future has not come yet. Those that have Intel Macs are about equal with the PPC Mac Users. I run 10.4 most of the time on my G4 PowerMac. I run 10.5 most of the time on my PPC PowerBook. My Intel Mac Pro runs 10.4 on rare occasions now. I only run 10.6 from an extra drive & then only for about an hour a day & never for business related work. That leaves 10.5 most of the time. Also even though I purchase all OS updates to be here the day they come out, using them for everyday work could take months if not years. I only started using 10.5 14-15 months ago. So with my income tax prep business it will be next May before I will even think of using 10.6 on a daily basis for real computer work.

I wonder how many others there is like me that Apple counts as updaters, but really do not use the newer software for their real computer work. I may do more of my web browsing with 10.6 so it looks like it it being used. But that is why one can use statistics to prove anything they want to.

 

[Master Chief]

A mighty big download. Took over 30 minutes to download and install (on a new HD) to find that 6, 7 8 kexts were no longer loading.... much to my surprise of course. The reason for this was that my Mac Pro Octo (2009) starts in 64 bit mode now (by default). Which was a first. Great. Now I can really start using the hefty expensive 32GB RAM Apple RAM. That's all I can say about this download... for obvious reasons.

Special thanks to my good old friend David Hyatt, for switching camp (a former Mozilla developer... we've spent a few hours hacking on Mozilla code) to make Safari a much better browser. Still number two

 

[50548]

I have no idea how you people have so many issues with SL... mines been running at least as good as Leopard from 10.6.0 onward.

Same here...I've had absolutely ZERO issues with SL; I don't even know what to expect from this update, which will probably add nothing to my computing experience.

 

[volfreak]

SL pretty good but still has some issues

Same here...I've had absolutely ZERO issues with SL; I don't even know what to expect from this update, which will probably add nothing to my computing experience.

Just curious. I've had a fairly good experience with SL but there are a few things that I've encountered. I don't use a lot of add-ons so those aren't a problem. Since you have no problems, can you:

1. Select a group of PDFs in Finder and open them (Cmd-O)? Do they all open or just one?
2. My menu on this 15 Unibody can't display all the things in its list so I have to scroll to see Stickies. Prior to SL, I renamed Stickies to _Stickies so it was at the top. Now I can't rename it. Can you? I know it's a nit but I use Stickies just enough to want quick access to the app but not enough to have its own place in the Dock.
3. Do you use Java applications? If so, do they all still work? And if they do, are they all Java 1.6 compatible? Or, did you do something to get them working? I'm still struggling to get a DB management tool working again and it looks like it might not be possible.

Luckily, I've not had the force log-out using Rosetta apps, even though Excel 2004 is supposed to be one that really makes it worse but I've not been bit by that one. Overall, I'm happy but there are some things that do need to be fixed. If you don't have the same issues as noted on 1 and 2, that would be interesting.

Cheers,
Jay

 

[newfoundglory]

ZFS is not needed or is actually that good ATM. Plus its future is a little bit in the dark.

I disagree. ZFS is the way forward (for desktop systems at least). It should be the default filesystem for Xserve, Mac Pro, iMac and Mac mini. Apple just haven't spent the time necessary to integrate into Mac OS X fully. I do however, the the 10A286 Snow Leopard 64bit ZFS binaries running with 10.6.1 just fine.

 

[CaryMacGuy]

I hope they fix the issue in Front Row where the lists collect at the bottom of the screen.

 

[flottenheimer]

I'm still sticking with 10.5.8. Hey, it works!
All the issues people are listing in this thread makes it feel like the right thing to do. Glad you're all doing some important pioneering work, guys.

I hope the final 10.6.2 build or 10.6.3 will rock. Then I'll migrate in a second.

 

[flottenheimer]

...
2. My menu on this 15 Unibody can't display all the things in its list so I have to scroll to see Stickies. Prior to SL, I renamed Stickies to _Stickies so it was at the top. Now I can't rename it. Can you? I know it's a nit but I use Stickies just enough to want quick access to the app but not enough to have its own place in the Dock...

I know this isn't an answer to your question, but why don't you just create a single folder - in your dock - filled with shortcuts to all those apps you used to rename with an underscore. Beats renaming apps, IMHO.

 

[KnightWRX]

Actuaclly. MHz does matter now it just matters with the dou core. Eg a 2.4 dou core vs a 4.0 dou core will tronce the 2.4. It was PowerPC and AMD that changed all that and informed consumers that megahertz was a lie at the time. In fact. Intel need 1.0 EXTRA ghz just to compete with a slower amd atlon and brought intel prices way down. Now that intel has no one to compete at the top, although they say amd may change that in a year with 6 cores vs intels 4, thisnisnwhy intel is back to their old ways of charging a fortune for the high end. Back in the day. AMD kept intel incheck. If anything, you WANT AMD to succeed



Peace

Top posting is bad mmmmkay ? In English, text is read from top to bottom. Putting newer text on top goes directly against this core rule.

As for your post, you contradict yourself. First you say mhz matters, then you say Intel has more but is still slower. That doesn't make sense. Does mhz matter or not ?

It does not. Sure, if you're looking at one family of processors, mhz and number of cores is the only differentiating point. However, that's not how the industry works. Intel is shipping about 4-5 families of processors at the same time.

A 2.0 GHZ nehalem processor has less clocks per second than a Core 2 Duo 2.53 ghz. It is faster however.

Same for a 486 DX 33 mhz vs a 386 DX 40 mhz. Which is faster ? The 486 with the lower clock speed.

MHZ doesn't matter. At all. Never did. Instructions per clock matter much more. It's always been this way except before Intel had 1 or 2 families of processors shipping at once, so you could compare them based on mhz. Now, not so much. Intel ships so much stuff that the clock speed doesn't quite mean anything, the type of processor is much more important.

 

[Thunder82]

2) A marriage of Mail, iCal, and Stickies into Mail. I want a calendar in Mail and if I have an appointments I can glance at a mini-calendar in Mail or click on it to bring up the full iCal. Stickies should be mailable. iCal should have a feature for responses to invitations to count how many replies a person gets for an event. These are just some ideas.

I agree, especially regarding integrating iCal into Mail. It's a pain to switch between multiple applications. I'm afraid it would come across like outlook, but honestly, it just makes more sense.

 

[skate71290]

Preferences hanging? Good God......do they have drunk monkey's doing coding now? Seriously.....how after dozens of point upgrades do you suddenly introduce a bug that crashes Preferences?

honestly, despite what anyone believes i think Apple just put bugs in every software update to give us something to complain about, i have issues with Time Capsule that didnt exist since 10.5.2!

 

[guzhogi]

Top posting is bad mmmmkay ? In English, text is read from top to bottom. Putting newer text on top goes directly against this core rule.

As for your post, you contradict yourself. First you say mhz matters, then you say Intel has more but is still slower. That doesn't make sense. Does mhz matter or not ?

It does not. Sure, if you're looking at one family of processors, mhz and number of cores is the only differentiating point. However, that's not how the industry works. Intel is shipping about 4-5 families of processors at the same time.

A 2.0 GHZ nehalem processor has less clocks per second than a Core 2 Duo 2.53 ghz. It is faster however.

Same for a 486 DX 33 mhz vs a 386 DX 40 mhz. Which is faster ? The 486 with the lower clock speed.

MHZ doesn't matter. At all. Never did. Instructions per clock matter much more. It's always been this way except before Intel had 1 or 2 families of processors shipping at once, so you could compare them based on mhz. Now, not so much. Intel ships so much stuff that the clock speed doesn't quite mean anything, the type of processor is much more important.

I find that MHz does matter, but isn't the only thing. If you have 2 identical procs, the one with the higher clock is faster. It's just when you compare 2 different procs things get iffy. Different procs have different instructions per clock, different instruction sets so you have to look at a whole bunch of stuff along w/ clock speed. So, if you have 2 different procs, 1 might be faster in some areas while the other is better at other things.

 

[toodeep]

Apple please fix Safari windows keyboard switching.

 

[katewes]

What pisses me off; Hackintosh apart, Mac OS is suppose to run only in a small range of hardware, so in theory it's more easier to address bugs. What is happening to Apple? Maybe they are using more personnel in other areas like iPhone development? Maybe Steve Jobs wasn't there to pull ears?

You sound so naive. Don't you realise that Apple does not do widespread beta testing. Apple only sends out seed versions to a small number of restricted testers. So people like you are actually the widespread beta testers.

I had massive problems with Leopard, even up to 10.5.7 -- and even 10.5.8 is not 100% great with Apple Mail still needing to be force-quit every so often. But 10.5.8 is otherwise rather good compared to earlier versions.

So I am having a really pleasant time now, with 10.5.8. mostly stable -- and having a ball of a time with entertainment, reading all your problems with 10.6. Sure, the argument is that, percentage-wise, most people are having no problems with 10.6 -- but since I use my Mac for business, it's not worth the trouble.

I'm really looking forward to getting Snow Leopard around 10.6.8 - when all you guys are getting ready for the next rollercoaster ride with 10.7

 

[TheAshMan]

Not quite

I know a lot of people thought leopard was grounbreaking but you know what, a d I've said this before, google Sun Microsystems project looking gass and watch the video about 2-3 minutes in when they are in front of a crowd. Years ago and where most of leopard hot it's ideas. Go ahead. Check it out

Peace.

Apple's desktop UI enhancements in Leopard are not following in Sun's footsteps, a lot of people at Microsoft, Apple and Linux have been working on such things for a long time, I remember seeing such 3-D demos in the late 90s. Apple RELEASED Leopard 3 years ago and that kind of code developments take years. The fact is Apple is ahead of everyone with it, if Sun was so far ahead, where is their product?

 

[mtbdudex]

Fix for 10.6.2, BT keyboard drops every 2-3 minutes in 10.6.1

I hope 10.6.2 fixes this, a pet peeve in 10.6.1

 

[*LTD*]

Same here...I've had absolutely ZERO issues with SL; I don't even know what to expect from this update, which will probably add nothing to my computing experience.

I think we're just lucky. Good Apple karma or something . . .

My only real complaint ever was printer support. And I found my own solution to that, after which Apple happened to come out with updated drivers.

Other than that I haven't really noticed any issues apart from a few Quicktime X niggles. Wireless works fine. BT works fine. Even iDisk syncing seems more reliable (though I suspect that has more to do with MobileMe than OS X proper.) Uptimes have been just fine - just as reliable as before. I use Snow Leopard exclusively, on a daily basis, and everything is dandy. Even Exposé feels smoother than before. Ditto for Spaces.

The only issue is that Quicktime X (that is, the QTkit component) tends to stay open on corrupt or unsupported file previews and ramp up CPU usage to 100%. Quicktime is a bit slow in rendering previews as well. And still no .mkv support, though i suspect that was always a Perian-related thing anyway.

Other than that I have no complaints.

 

[Povilas]

I think we're just lucky. Good Apple karma or something . . .

My only real complaint ever was printer support. And I found my own solution to that, after which Apple happened to come out with updated drivers.

Other than that I haven't really noticed any issues apart from a few Quicktime X niggles. Wireless works fine. BT works fine. Even iDisk syncing seems more reliable (though I suspect that has more to do with MobileMe than OS X proper.) Uptimes have been just fine - just as reliable as before. I use Snow Leopard exclusively, on a daily basis, and everything is dandy. Even Exposé feels smoother than before. Ditto for Spaces.

The only issue is that Quicktime X (that is, the QTkit component) tends to stay open on corrupt or unsupported file previews and ramp up CPU usage to 100%. Quicktime is a bit slow in rendering previews as well. And still no .mkv support, though i suspect that was always a Perian-related thing anyway.

Other than that I have no complaints.

Same here. The only thing that needs some fixing is Spaces. In Leopard hitting button that activates Spaces and moving mouse cursor to the Space you want to move and again hitting Spaces switches you to that Space, but in Snow Leopard I actually have to right click that Space. I hope I wrote clear enough

 

[OllyW]

Apple RELEASED Leopard 3 years ago ...

Leopard was released 2 years ago on 26th October 2007.

Same here. The only thing that needs some fixing is Spaces. In Leopard hitting button that activates Spaces and moving mouse cursor to the Space you want to move and again hitting Spaces switches you to that Space, but in Snow Leopard I actually have to right click that Space. I hope I wrote clear enough

My 2 machines with Snow Leopard both work the same as they did with Leopard, I don't need to right click the Space to select it.

 

[50548]

Just curious. I've had a fairly good experience with SL but there are a few things that I've encountered. I don't use a lot of add-ons so those aren't a problem. Since you have no problems, can you:

1. Select a group of PDFs in Finder and open them (Cmd-O)? Do they all open or just one?
2. My menu on this 15 Unibody can't display all the things in its list so I have to scroll to see Stickies. Prior to SL, I renamed Stickies to _Stickies so it was at the top. Now I can't rename it. Can you? I know it's a nit but I use Stickies just enough to want quick access to the app but not enough to have its own place in the Dock.
3. Do you use Java applications? If so, do they all still work? And if they do, are they all Java 1.6 compatible? Or, did you do something to get them working? I'm still struggling to get a DB management tool working again and it looks like it might not be possible.

Luckily, I've not had the force log-out using Rosetta apps, even though Excel 2004 is supposed to be one that really makes it worse but I've not been bit by that one. Overall, I'm happy but there are some things that do need to be fixed. If you don't have the same issues as noted on 1 and 2, that would be interesting.

Cheers,
Jay

1 - No issues here, I've just tested and it works. The 2 pdfs open in the same pane but as different files on the sidebar. If files are bigger, they may open in 2 separate windows also;

2 - Well, I don't think it's wise to rename apps just to keep them on top, especially apps that may be used by other apps. Why don't you just use one of the zillion possible freeware apps that keep favorite apps easily reachable? Otherwise, just use smart folders or create another stack that has Stickies as a preferred app;

3 - I normally don't use Java apps, which for me are close to useless nowadays (just like Flash). But as far as I can tell, Java Preferences and other Java apps work just as well.

4 - Now I have Office 2008, but Office 2004 used to work fine as well (just slow as any other MS app, of course).

 

[50548]

I hope 10.6.2 fixes this, a pet peeve in 10.6.1

I was having similar problems some time ago, but realized they are simply linked to low batteries. For other people, in some rare cases, interference with other wireless sources is also the culprit.

Another solution relates to dropping a pea-sized aluminum paper ball inside the battery compartment of the keyboard...some people say that the contact leads/coil may not be reaching the battery edge completely, so dropouts occur. The aluminum ball ensures that contact happens for those facing issues.

 

[Povilas]

Leopard was released 2 years ago on 26th October 2007.



My 2 machines with Snow Leopard both work the same as they did with Leopard, I don't need to right click the Space to select it.

That's strange. I did clean install and I use wireless Mighty Mouse.