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Or because if you don't realize that Classic was a virtualized/emulated environment - then it's not worth the effort to discuss the tangent of XP mode....

Classic OS wasn't fully emulated as your posts suggest, it still needed real hardware support from the computer. The simple proof is from the fact it cant be run on Intel Macs.

Mac OS9 actually runs in tangent with Mac OSX, just like you could with OS8? and Windows 95.

Just read the post Eidorain gave . 8D
 
Classic OS wasn't fully emulated as your posts suggest, it still needed real hardware support from the computer. The simple proof is from the fact it cant be run on Intel Macs.

Mac OS9 actually runs in tangent with Mac OSX, just like you could with OS8? and Windows 95.

Just read the post Eidorain gave . 8D

Yes, let's go with Eidorian:

"If we could please stop the needless Classic tangent."​
 
Process-per-tab was in public use in IE8 six months before Chrome was available.
And of course we all get a big chuckle out of the fact that MS had to implement Unix-style process forking to achieve a decent level of stability. What is that old saying? Oh yes:

"Given enough time and given enough money Microsoft will eventually invent Unix."
 
And Microsoft monthly does the same thing. In fact, if you've been running the monthly updates, when the Microsoft Service Pack comes along you have a fairly small download -- since you've already installed most of the fixes.
So MS service packs are actually dynamically created bundles of updates based on the patches installed on your individual PC? Interesting, I'm not aware of that being true.

These updates are for security fixes, bug fixes, feature improvements, and even new features. (Windows Update delivers new versions of .NET automatically - imagine Apple dropping a new version of Cocoa onto the system in a Software Update.)
If you understood what Cocoa is as opposed to .NET, you would understand why your parenthetical statement makes no sense.

If you look at what's being delivered to the end users, it's ridiculuous to claim that Apple is better than Microsoft at updating or vice versa. Apple has more frequent package updates, and uses online interim updates for urgent fixes only. Microsoft has less frequent package updates - but delivers much more in its monthly update.

Really not much difference to the end user....
That is patently untrue. Please document these allegedly "more frequent package updates". MS artificially slows down it's flood of patches to once a month, except when there's something really, really horribly wrong, in which case they send it out when they feel like it.

As an end user of both systems, the difference is night and day. There are vastly fewer updates for OS X that for any version of Windows. I realize that reality doesn't fit in with your sycophantic delusions about Microsoft, but that's out of my hands.

I've only had one issue in the last five years - and that's with my quad monitor Octo-core Xeon with two very different Quadro cards. It had a Quadro FX 4000 in the PCIe x16 slot, and a Quadro NVS in a PCIe x1 slot - each with two monitors.

It would run fine with the Quadro FX 4000 driver set, but if the Quadro NVS drivers were loaded the FX 4000 would be wonky. (And since the taskbar was on a monitor on the FX 4000, "wonky" meant "unusable")

So you've been a Windows enthusiast for a really long time. I guess that's useful to know.

By the way, I haven't had an issue anywhere that bad on a Mac in five years.
 
Or because if you don't realize that Classic was a virtualized/emulated environment - then it's not worth the effort to discuss the tangent of XP mode....

No, I agree with MorphingDragon. It's because you're losing.
 
So MS service packs are actually dynamically created bundles of updates based on the patches installed on your individual PC? Interesting, I'm not aware of that being true.

Delta Packages are so much better than patches, it takes the new code, the old code and recompiles a new package. :D 500KB update for firefox you say!?
 
And of course we all get a big chuckle out of the fact that MS had to implement Unix-style process forking to achieve a decent level of stability.

They aren't forks, they're standard processes using standard Windows IPC like COM....

IE8.Process.Model2.png

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So MS service packs are actually dynamically created bundles of updates based on the patches installed on your individual PC? Interesting, I'm not aware of that being true.

Previously, Microsoft has said it would break [Vista] SP1 into two stand-alone installers for businesses: a 450MB package that includes the five packs and a 550MB installer that offers three-dozen languages. Both are expected to be available for download from Microsoft's Web site.

SP1 will also be offered to users through Windows Update, Microsoft Update and presumably Windows Server Update Services (WSUS). That update will weigh in at around 65MB. Microsoft explained the smaller size in a change log posted to its support site: "Windows Update ... utilizes an efficient transfer mechanism to download only the actual bytes changed."

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9060738/Vista_SP1_to_debut_Monday_reports_say

The "efficient mechanism" isn't a fine delta, I think that it would have been more accurate to say "files changed" instead of "bytes changed".


If you understood what Cocoa is as opposed to .NET, you would understand why your parenthetical statement makes no sense.

There's a similarity in that they both provide a primary API set for building applications. New versions of .NET provide new APIs for application developers.


That is patently untrue. Please document these allegedly "more frequent package updates".

I think you misunderstood - I meant that Microsoft provides bug and feature fixes "more frequently" than Service Packs, not more frequently than once a month.


MS artificially slows down it's flood of patches to once a month, except when there's something really, really horribly wrong, in which case they send it out when they feel like it.

The "flood" this month was 5 updates, 2 of them drivers for 3rd party hardware.
 
Any day now would be great, Apple.

OK why do you think there have been two new seeds released to devs for testing since the first one (10C531) that had "no known issues". Because the devs will have found issues. Obviously Apple considered these issues sufficient to deem them showstoppers.

Patience, let Apple get this one right :)
 
There's a similarity in that they both provide a primary API set for building applications. New versions of .NET provide new APIs for application developers.

Technically, .Net is a framework which is implemented differently. It can be updated but it can't be as tightly integrated into the OS as an Operating System level API can. Apple could update Cocoa on a version of Mac OSX but it would more likely do harm than good.

The "efficient mechanism" isn't a fine delta, I think that it would have been more accurate to say "files changed" instead of "bytes changed".

Still not as good as DeltaRPM which can do it for any package. Previously installed via Package Manager or not.
 
Win32 (renamed "Windows API") is the procedural API for Windows - it is the base API. The OO and managed APIs are on top of Win32 - but you've already called those "frameworks" and not OS APIs ;) .

It's not worth an LOL, that implies something's wrong.

Can you please find a Windows forum instead of littering ours?
 
Great!! Looks like I won't be upgrading to snowy for a further year! I'm still using rock stable Leopard, apparently that's a good thing judging from the number of early adopters; well I hope this release is a massive improvement for the rest of you guys.

That's where I'm at:cool:
 
Umm, OS9 is older than XP. Maybe you want to think that one again.

True, OS9 was first sold in 1999, which makes it two years older than XP.

XP was first sold in 2001. OS9 was last sold in 2001.

What the hell is all of this dancing around about? OS9 is an older OS, period.

Besides, Apple discontinued development of OS9 in 2002, not 2001.

Half of the Windows 7 SKUs support virtualization out-of-the-box for legacy 2001 operating systems. All of the Windows 7 SKUs support optional virtualization for legacy 2001 operating systems.

The transition from OS9 to OSX was virtually seamless, thanks to Rosetta's integration into OSX, which ran applications dating as far back as 1991, universally, for all users who migrated to OS X.

While Microsoft kept Windows users hanging out to dry for the past eight years between OS releases, 2001-2009, (excluding Longhorn/Vista, as it was a complete disaster) Apple managed to release six

significant, full featured, and well received versions of OS X. Here lies the difference. Windows 7 currently offers a half baked solution for XP users; a crucial sector which comprises over 70% of Windows

total market share, for a transition, which does not involve a major change in architecture, yet which has been proven inconvenient for many who've had problems running their XP programs, having

to resort to third party software - which is, quite frankly, ridiculous. By not providing an OS environment by which to emulate XP seamlessly within the new OS, for all users of W7, universally, MS has

not made upgrading any more convenient, efficient or attractive for its majority market of XP users, many of whom have been sitting on the fence as it is.

None of the Apple OSX 10.6 SKUs support virtualization out-of-the-box for legacy 2001 operating systems. None of the Apple OSX 10.6 SKUs support any kind of virtualization for legacy 2001 operating systems.

You can't see the difference?

The difference?

Windows has absolutely no choice but to support their legacy OS, because its all they've got, if they wish to maintain at least half of their market share. Apple is not plagued by this problem, as the vast

majority of Mac users have already migrated to the newer OS during the past decade. As for legacy Mac OS operation, PPC users can utilize Leopard for the next several years before deciding to upgrade,

while OS9 can be run successfully through Tiger. Meanwhile, Windows remains bogged down with, and compromised by, obligations to archaic legacy relics such as The Bloated Registry, DLLs, etc.

It is apparent that your frivolous and petty rants have grown tiresome to many around here.

Perhaps, you ought to consider the advice of others:

Can you please find a Windows forum instead of littering ours?

We've been requesting this for years.
 
OK why do you think there have been two new seeds released to devs for testing since the first one (10C531) that had "no known issues". Because the devs will have found issues. Obviously Apple considered these issues sufficient to deem them showstoppers.

Patience, let Apple get this one right :)

Chill.

Any day now, Apple.
 
Win32 (renamed "Windows API") is the procedural API for Windows - it is the base API. The OO and managed APIs are on top of Win32 - but you've already called those "frameworks" and not OS APIs ;) .

It's not worth an LOL, that implies something's wrong.

Microsoft itself calls .Net a framework. Even Microsoft disagrees with you. And .Net is on Unix too in the form of Mono. (That goes both ways too)

Win32 (renamed "Windows API") is the procedural API for Windows - it is the base API. The OO and managed APIs are on top of Win32 - but you've already called those "frameworks" and not OS APIs ;) .

It's not worth an LOL, that implies something's wrong.

I still wonder why an OS kernel HAS to be procedural. Theres been lots of theory and research of a true OO OS but no ones ever done it.
 
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