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Mac OS X 10.6.2 Build 10C540 Seeded to Developers

baryon said:
Hope I'll stop getting weekly Kernel Panics, application crashes, Safari hangs, total system freezes and so on (which I never ever had not even a tiny bit on Leopard).
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Dude. There's something wrong with your hardware. The first place I recommend you look is at your RAM. Bad RAM would explain everything you're seeing--especially when combined with a major OS install/update.

I'm not a betting man, but I'd be willing to bet that's your problem.
 
Detrius said:
Dude. There's something wrong with your hardware. The first place I recommend you look is at your RAM. Bad RAM would explain everything you're seeing--especially when combined with a major OS install/update.

I'm not a betting man, but I'd be willing to bet that's your problem.
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Also, hopefully he's not running in 64bit kernel mode.

Also, check your third party system extensions or Safari plugin modules.
 
AidenShaw said:
But Microsoft releases monthly updates that contain both security patches, bug fixes, and sometimes incremental improvements.

Right now Windows Update is offering me 3 security patches, a new driver for my quad port GbE card, and a new Nvidia Quadro driver.




See above. Functional changes are rare outside of service packs, but bug fixes are common even if not security issues. The old "improves stability" excuse....
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Blah, blah, blah.
 
MartiNZ said:
Well with the big guest account bug still at large I am surprised that this particular update seems to have been merely strolling towards us, but it certainly isn't one of the longer waits.
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Why are you surprised?

How bad would it be if Apple reports the bug fixed, only to find it isn't? Particularly with Win 7 actually being pretty damned good on release... The embarrassment would be far too damaging.

Much better with a serious bug like this to be extremely thorough on testing, iron out any potential kinks with the fix and then release.
 
Povilas said:
And that pile of **** is?
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An OS which requires mounds of attention in regard to security, scripts, patches, Registry, DRM, 'Homegroup' Networking (abysmal),

the need for Driver Signatures, and the fact that three out of six of its versions do not include XP virtualization mode.
 
No problems

j-a-x said:
Am I the only one who has not had any stability problems with Snow Leopard 10.6.0 or 10.6.1? I'm looking forward to the update as much as anyone, but I haven't had any stability issues or major issues that I can think of.
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I've had no problems and I'm STILL on 10.6.0. I haven't upgraded to 10.6.1 yet. I've had flash crash on me, but it didn't take down the browser with it. :/

Hugh
 
iBug2 said:
Except Apple releases 10 service packs in the lifespan of an OS where Windows gets 2. So if Apple was as slow as Microsoft we'd have a stable OS by the time of 5 service packs, but we usually get all the major issues fixed in the 2nd.
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APPLE releases incremental software updates that fix bugs or improve existing features; They cannot even be remotely be called service packs

MS releases in groups of one or two to dozens of bug fixes almost daily
Which shows how poor that OS is
That the OS is in almost CONSTANT crisis is the reason-and in constant repair. NO that does not mean They are "on top of things" by a long shot;
They know people HATE them even as they fork over $200 for an upgrade and if they didnt act-HQ in Redmond would already have been burned to the ground ages ago, and Gates/Balmer would go into hiding in Equador
im sure that complete collapse of the IT infrastructure would follow in a country that has all its eggs in one basket-MS;
This is what made the US Military branches decide to issue orders to buy Macs as a backup system a few years ago-when WW III starts-you dont suddenly want to see a blue screen of death, or a system freeze/shutdown to call technical support (on the bright side, if there were still any TS operators left -there would be no queing or waits to deal with!)
Soon, when that number reaches 1,000 or more, and becomes unwieldy they bundle them together as a SERVICE PACK. so 2 SPs, bogged down with 2000 bug fixes, incrementals etc
While Apple releases -10 at the most, every few months usually, sometimes as few as 5. Apple has never had to combine bug fixes/updates into SPs;
There is the odd crisis update, which you can count on your fingers
vs MS-which you can count on the population of NYCs fingers

lesson-there are exponentialy far more problems that have to be fixed by an SP from MS

World of difference
 
AidenShaw said:
By the way, did Apple copy that feature from IE8, or is it just a coincidence that IE8 already had it? (Of course, IE8 very rarely dies, and does recover from plugin crashes nicely.)
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Firefox has a plugin for that.

AidenShaw said:
But Microsoft releases monthly updates that contain both security patches, bug fixes, and sometimes incremental improvements.

Right now Windows Update is offering me 3 security patches, a new driver for my quad port GbE card, and a new Nvidia Quadro driver.
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I can't believe you trust windows update for drivers. I don't even trust Apple Software Update for Firmware Updates.
 
MorphingDragon said:
I can't believe you trust windows update for drivers. I don't even trust Apple Software Update for Firmware Updates.
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To be fair, when I installed Windows 7 on my desktop it provided me a fully functional driver for my 8800 GTX. Doesn't Windows Update get its drivers from NVidia and ATI themselves?
 
DMann said:
An OS which requires mounds of attention in regard to security, scripts, patches, Registry, DRM, 'Homegroup' Networking (abysmal),

the need for Driver Signatures, and the fact that three out of six of its versions do not include XP virtualization mode.
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Oh, that pile of **** :)
 
AidenShaw said:
By the way, did Apple copy that feature from IE8, or is it just a coincidence that IE8 already had it? (Of course, IE8 very rarely dies, and does recover from plugin crashes nicely.)
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I think Adobe gets credit for this feature. On all browsers. ;)

someoneelse said:
And yes, if your kernel is panicking weekly and your system is basically unstable, it probably is hardware related.
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But if it worked on 10.5.8, then blame 10.6.

iBug2 said:
Except Apple releases 10 service packs in the lifespan of an OS where Windows gets 2. So if Apple was as slow as Microsoft we'd have a stable OS by the time of 5 service packs, but we usually get all the major issues fixed in the 2nd.
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Well, to be fair, Microsoft does start fixing their bugs BEFORE they release the product, during the beta period. Apple seems to start AFTER release.

someone else said:
Much better with a serious bug like this to be extremely thorough on testing, iron out any potential kinks with the fix and then release.
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The better thing would have been to release Don't Delete My Data Update 1.0 that disables the Guest account entirely until they can figure it out.
 
Amdahl said:
But if it worked on 10.5.8, then blame 10.6.
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You can't really say that. What if there's a piece of third party software installed that isn't compatible with Snow Leopard causing these issues?

If you load 10.6 by itself and it stops misbehaving, then you have yourself a third party software problem... not a 10.6 problem.

It's not Apple's responsibility to make sure all older third party apps have to be compatible with their update. It's up to the third party software makers to have access to Apple's OS and create compatibility for the newest OS update.
 
TheSpaz said:
You can't really say that. What if there's a piece of third party software installed that isn't compatible with Snow Leopard causing these issues?
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What if? But there ARE (not if!) hundreds of bugs in 10.6.1 that are fixed in 10.6.2. Three kernel panics fixed in just the last seed alone.

If you load 10.6 by itself and it stops misbehaving, then you have yourself a third party software problem... not a 10.6 problem.
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Maybe, or you may just have found one of the bugs that Apple didn't catch in the upgrade scenario.

It's not Apple's responsibility to make sure all older third party apps have to be compatible with their update. It's up to the third party software makers to have access to Apple's OS and create compatibility for the newest OS update.
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Nobody has named a SINGLE 3rd party app that is causing ANY of these problems! You're trying to blame an invisible monster in the closet for all of these problems.

Even IF that monster existed, why can't Apple produce an operating system that doesn't crap out when you run apps from 10.5? I thought Snow Leopard was just a 'refinement' of Leopard. What is there to break? Nothing! It's just bugs.
 
DMann said:
...and the fact that three out of six of its versions do not include XP virtualization mode.
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And no versions of OSX 10.6 have Classic mode. So what?

Any version of Windows 7 supports Virtual PC, VMware and that Russian stuff. If you buy a low priced version of Win7 and need virtualizaion, download the free VMware Server or VirtualBox. Or buy Virtual PC or VMware Workstation or that other one.

This knockoff on Win7 doesn't show logical thinking. The higher priced version includes Virtual PC. D'oh.


seashellz said:
APPLE releases incremental software updates that fix bugs or improve existing features; They cannot even be remotely be called service packs
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And Microsoft monthly does the same thing. In fact, if you've been running the monthly updates, when the Microsoft Service Pack comes along you have a fairly small download -- since you've already installed most of the fixes.

These updates are for security fixes, bug fixes, feature improvements, and even new features. (Windows Update delivers new versions of .NET automatically - imagine Apple dropping a new version of Cocoa onto the system in a Software Update.)

Other feature releases, like IE8, are available as standalone updates at first - but show up in Windows Update a month or two later.

If you look at what's being delivered to the end users, it's ridiculuous to claim that Apple is better than Microsoft at updating or vice versa. Apple has more frequent package updates, and uses online interim updates for urgent fixes only. Microsoft has less frequent package updates - but delivers much more in its monthly update.

Really not much difference to the end user....



seashellz said:
MS releases in groups of one or two to dozens of bug fixes almost daily
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That is patently untrue. Microsoft has a monthly update (see Patch Tuesday for details). Only rarely is a patch released more often that.

Please document these "daily" patches, or give up.


MorphingDragon said:
I can't believe you trust windows update for drivers. I don't even trust Apple Software Update for Firmware Updates.
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I've only had one issue in the last five years - and that's with my quad monitor Octo-core Xeon with two very different Quadro cards. It had a Quadro FX 4000 in the PCIe x16 slot, and a Quadro NVS in a PCIe x1 slot - each with two monitors.

It would run fine with the Quadro FX 4000 driver set, but if the Quadro NVS drivers were loaded the FX 4000 would be wonky. (And since the taskbar was on a monitor on the FX 4000, "wonky" meant "unusable")

One time I wasn't paying attention and let Windows Update install the Quadro NVS driver. It was a simple power-switch reset and boot to safe mode to reinstall the FX 4000 driver.

(I've never seen Windows Update offer a firmware upgrade.)


CQd44 said:
To be fair, when I installed Windows 7 on my desktop it provided me a fully functional driver for my 8800 GTX. Doesn't Windows Update get its drivers from NVidia and ATI themselves?
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Windows Update will offer WHQL drivers supplied by the vendors. The drivers come from Microsoft's servers though, not ATI or Nvidia.


Amdahl said:
I think Adobe gets credit for this feature. On all browsers. ;)
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Please explain that claim. How can Adobe implement process-per-tab in a browser?

At best, an Adobe plugin could spawn another process for rendering, but that's far short of what IE8 and Chrome do with tab isolation.
 
MorphingDragon said:
Umm, OS9 is older than XP. Maybe you want to think that one again.
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XP was first sold in 2001. OS9 was last sold in 2001.

Half of the Windows 7 SKUs support virtualization out-of-the-box for legacy 2001 operating systems. All of the Windows 7 SKUs support optional virtualization for legacy 2001 operating systems.

None of the Apple OSX 10.6 SKUs support virtualization out-of-the-box for legacy 2001 operating systems. None of the Apple OSX 10.6 SKUs support any kind of virtualization for legacy 2001 operating systems.

You can't see the difference?
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More to the point, though, I fail to see any relevance to the argument about "half the SKUs". A feature in higher SKUs is missing in cheaper SKUs. BFD.

Especially when this is all a tangent to a topic where people are complaining about kernel panics, Safari crashes, beach balls and other stuff in OSX. Is the theory that we'll forget about that by once again bringing up the fact that Windows has several SKUs?
 
AidenShaw said:
XP was first sold in 2001. OS9 was last sold in 2001.

Half of the Windows 7 SKUs support virtualization out-of-the-box for legacy 2001 operating systems. All of the Windows 7 SKUs support optional virtualization for legacy 2001 operating systems.

None of the Apple OSX 10.6 SKUs support virtualization out-of-the-box for legacy 2001 operating systems. None of the Apple OSX 10.6 SKUs support any kind of virtualization for legacy 2001 operating systems.

You can't see the difference?
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More to the point, though, I fail to see any relevance to the argument about "half the SKUs". A feature in higher SKUs is missing in cheaper SKUs. BFD.

Especially when this is all a tangent to a topic where people are complaining about kernel panics, Safari crashes, beach balls and other stuff in OSX. Is the theory that we'll forget about that by once again bringing up the fact that Windows has several SKUs?
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OS9 wasn't virutalised.

XP was only first made in 2001. OS9's last revision was in 2001. Try again. In 2001 OSX was made. So in reality, Apple is only supporting as far back as
Microsoft.
 
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