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....if they were trying to improve power safe, "epic fail" doesn't begin to describe...

What is "power safe"? Windows Help and Support on 7 gets no hits on that phrase.

Describe the problem and results - many things on 7 are rearranged or are different.
They make more sense overall, but it can be frustrating to look for something and it's not
where it used to be.
 
Windows 7 had a full year beta. :p
As a stockholder of both AAPL and MSFT, I would say that the two companies are considerably different in multiple ways, including (but not limited to) business models, profitability, marketshare, mindshare, approach to consumer electronics, approach to enterprise computing, operating system development cycles, innovation, and management effectiveness.
 
I don't think it makes so much sense to have your secret next generation product leaking out like that, user agent strings are easy to obscure.

I don't see why they'd bother. It's not like they'd want or expect us to not know that they're working on 10.7. It's fairly obvious that development is continuing, even if they make no announcement.
 
I just edited my useragent string. As far as MacRumors is concerned, I'm using Mac OS X 10.7 too.

That's not to say that this report is outlandish, but it is rather insignificant.
 
TAB key. I'm sure there is one on your keyboard.
TAB is doesn't work. I'm also trying to find out how to do that, but yet I have failed find out.
You can also go to System Preferences -> Keyboard [Second TAB{Keyboard Shortcuts}] and check "All Controls" so you will be able to go through all UI objects on sccren not only buttons and text fields.
Thanks! Seems it have been posted how to use that TAB. Give me a sec to try if it works :)
Btw, why this function is not activated by "default"?!
 
Some basic stuff...

Great, 10.7. I love my Mac but I hate some of its basic UI stuff. Maybe Apple will finally allow us to...

- resize a window by dragging any of the edges
- maximize a window to the full screen (without 'helper apps')
- optionally close the app when you close its last window

- set a time frame and/or battery level for a laptop to switch from standby to hibernation, so I will not find my MBA with a battery as dead as a doornail the next morning - and console commands don't count, I want a UI
- exercise more granular control over power options, with a UI

- have a tree view in Finder
- have more useful right-click options on files and folders
- have far more columns to choose from: bit rates, bit depths etc.
- sort files like the Windows XP Explorer: folders first, then files and sticky settings for column widths etc.

Not everything about the Mac is better than Windows.
 
Never going to happen. Apple is not a customization friendly company. That's the whole point behind their design principles. If you don't like it, switch to MS or Linux which can provide you all the customization options you want but I can assure you 90% of Windows or Linux people don't customize their stuff even if they have the ability to. Most often than not the customizations do more harm than good due to the fact that it's not easy to customize anything and often break stuff.

apple has fine taste in design but that doesn't mean people aren't sick of seeing the same "aqua" theme for the rest of eternity. also, most windows users i know customize the hell out of their desktops. same goes for the few people i know who use ubuntu.

and how would apple allowing users to customize button and scroll bar colors affect the os negatively? if you use a third party app like candybar, maybe, but that's why apple should integrate it into the os. i sure don't remember anything breaking on windows 95 after changing all the colors around. sure, you can make it look pretty ugly but that doesn't "break stuff". what harm would it do in 10.7?
 
Once more, with feeling...

Frazzle:

Most of these requests are items which have been dealt with many, many times: but to surmise...

Window edge resizing: a hold over from the early days of Windows which had to assume that the user had no pointing device (aka mouse) (not to mention to try and work around patents) and hence there had to be some keyboard equivalents for even the simplest WIMP interactions. Introduces 12 control mechanics when only a single one is required. Adds clutter to the interface, reduces usable screen space, and provides marginal benefit.

Maximize button behavior: also a hold over, but this time from the Microsoft "Multiple Document Interface" (where an Application window holds all of it's documents, with any unused space between wasted) vs. the "Single Document Interface" (where each document has a window, and that's it). MDI was again a response to work around patent problems: MS has largely moved away from this following the resolution of their patent issues with Apple. The "Maximize" control changes the window between two modes: that which the user selects, and that which is most appropriate to view the contents of said window. As screen get larger and larger, the usefulness of "Maximize to Full Screen" gets less and less. Just as an aside, this technique was used to attempt to restore the FITTS concept, by moving the menu bar to where it always should have been: top of the screen.

Close window means close app: another MDI misadventure. In the MDI model, you close the app by closing the MDI. No other way to do so (except maybe Alt-F4) -- this abstraction of control from the user makes no sense, and with modern VM systems not requiring the closing of unused apps, why bother?

Laptop sleep: close the lid, the system enters sleep mode. If the battery expires (takes a few weeks with a working battery) memory is written to disk and the system will awake once power returns. What more would make sense?

More control over (anything) by UI: Not a good idea. One problem programmers/UI designers often work with is "Do it this way or that way?" with the simple answer being "Let's make a Preference for it!" -- wrong solution. Work out the best way to handle it, and save Prefs for when there really, really is no better way to do things.

Make Finder work like Explorer!: Probably not a great idea. Column view is as good as "Tree Style", but doesn't give a whole new mode to the file system, which Explorer does. Modes = bad.

I understand, you came from using Windows, this is kinda how you've been taught things work, bad as those lessons may be. But it doesn't and wouldn't make sense to replicate these UI mistakes and cludges to make people feel "at home" at the expense of a solid, simple UI that just works.
 
The Future

I hope for a new filesystem based on ZFS. NOT actually ZFS, but something that handles external drives and their ejection much easier.

I also hope a new marble interface, with resolution independence.

Last but not least, TOUCH!

I bet there will be a large move with the next release to increase web access and cloud services. Simplification of the interface and the ability to run iPhone apps natively would be nice. I'm betting the Apple OS will someday, if not the next release, be more of a blend between Chrome OS and current OSes.
 
Didn't do them much good - I just started testing it at work. If IE isn't the default browser, can't click on outlook web links (that didn't happen in previous OSes) and if they were trying to improve power safe, "epic fail" doesn't begin to describe...

Typical MS Waste.

No, "typical" is wrong. MS has been garbage since Vista was developed and it's going downhill since. I miss "typical" - those days were heaven by comparison...

Can't reproduce your complaint here by the way. Perhaps its something you are doing wrong?
 
Window edge resizing: a hold over from the early days of Windows [snip] adds clutter to the interface, reduces usable screen space, and provides marginal benefit.

Does it? The OS X UI requires me to first drag the window to some other place, then move to the lower right corner of the window and resize it. Several mouse movements, several clicks. In Windows: one click, one move. The benefits are in the eye of the beholder.

Maximize button behavior: also a hold over, but this time from the Microsoft "Multiple Document Interface"

So? Does that make it "bad" somehow? You're actually willing to defend the OS X 'zoom' button that basically changes behavior with every app?

Laptop sleep: close the lid, the system enters sleep mode. If the battery expires (takes a few weeks with a working battery) memory is written to disk and the system will awake once power returns. What more would make sense?

This: close lid, system enters sleep. After configurable time period in sleep, system enters deep sleep. Result: system wakes up next morning with a battery that's still good to go. My MBA loses enough juice on sleep in one night to require charging the next morning. Nice if you're on the move and forgot to plug it in overnight. It only takes one extra slider in the power options.

I understand, you came from using Windows, this is kinda how you've been taught things work, bad as those lessons may be.

Nice attitude. I'd say the two UI's are different - not good or bad. And yes, the Windows UI feels more at home to me and allows me to be more productive when it comes to handling files. As a user, I don't care whether something's a hold over from some past idea. If it works, it works. And I would love to have more preference settings to tailor OS X to my needs.

A solid UI that works is nice. A solid UI that works for me is better.

Comparable example: If you're from the US, you're probably used to driving an automatic. This is kinda how you've been taught things work, bad as those lessons may be. Now if you're stuck in some European stickshift rental car and can barely make it move, would it help if I told you that a stickshift is the more effective, elegant and 'better' solution? The best solution is the one that can cater to both preferences. (In my Audi, that's called a 'tiptronic'.)
 
features for 10.7

Blu Ray support would be good.

Also a scalable display methodology that handles higher res without busting the icons.

faster startup.
 
Thanks! Seems it have been posted how to use that TAB. Give me a sec to try if it works :)
Btw, why this function is not activated by "default"?!


Because most of the time user only needs to jump through "YES/NO/CANCEL" type dialogs and if this option is activated by default it's sometimes hard to see which UI element is highlighted.

One more tip. If you have dialog with "Don't Save" button instead of clicking it with a mouse you can press Command+D on your keyboard.
 
Great, 10.7. I love my Mac but I hate some of its basic UI stuff. Maybe Apple will finally allow us to...

- resize a window by dragging any of the edges
- maximize a window to the full screen (without 'helper apps')
- optionally close the app when you close its last window

- set a time frame and/or battery level for a laptop to switch from standby to hibernation, so I will not find my MBA with a battery as dead as a doornail the next morning - and console commands don't count, I want a UI
- exercise more granular control over power options, with a UI

- have a tree view in Finder
- have more useful right-click options on files and folders
- have far more columns to choose from: bit rates, bit depths etc.
- sort files like the Windows XP Explorer: folders first, then files and sticky settings for column widths etc.

Not everything about the Mac is better than Windows.

Wrong. Not everyone thinks the same way. Different approach that's all it is. The reason I like Mac OS X is because it has very simple and light UI and still I can do some pretty cool stuff with it.

Tree view is useles for me and column view is far better in my opinion. Right click options can be added using Automator services ;) Sorting of files and folders differs from person to person, so there is no right way ;)
 
As a stockholder of both AAPL and MSFT, I would say that the two companies are considerably different in multiple ways, including (but not limited to) business models, profitability, marketshare, mindshare, approach to consumer electronics, approach to enterprise computing, operating system development cycles, innovation, and management effectiveness.

And this has to do with techie jokes how?

As a stock holder of 2degrees I must say they do things different than Vodafone or Telecom. :rolleyes:
 
- optionally close the app when you close its last window

This is already how it works. I don't even get the point of this suggestion. The option is left to the app developer and makes much more sense than leaving it up to the user.

- set a time frame and/or battery level for a laptop to switch from standby to hibernation, so I will not find my MBA with a battery as dead as a doornail the next morning - and console commands don't count, I want a UI

Something is wrong with your battery. I can leave my Macbook in sleep for 2 days without needing to recharge it.

I like the fact that its instant on, no matter if I left closed it for 5 minutes or 8 hours. I'd be more pissed at having to wake up from hibernation than from instant on with 10% battery left.
 
My website (A380production.com) has had a Mac OS 10.7 logged.
 

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My website (A380production.com) has had a Mac OS 10.7 logged.

It's not if its logged that's important, it's where it's coming from :

$ whois -h whois.arin.net 17.203.113.118

OrgName: Apple Computer, Inc.
OrgID: APPLEC-3
Address: 20740 Valley Green Drive, MS32E
City: Cupertino
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 95014
Country: US

NetRange: 17.0.0.0 - 17.255.255.255
CIDR: 17.0.0.0/8
NetName: APPLE-WWNET
NetHandle: NET-17-0-0-0-1
 
Great, 10.7. I love my Mac but I hate some of its basic UI stuff. Maybe Apple will finally allow us to...

- resize a window by dragging any of the edges
- maximize a window to the full screen (without 'helper apps')
- optionally close the app when you close its last window

- set a time frame and/or battery level for a laptop to switch from standby to hibernation, so I will not find my MBA with a battery as dead as a doornail the next morning - and console commands don't count, I want a UI
- exercise more granular control over power options, with a UI

- have a tree view in Finder
- have more useful right-click options on files and folders
- have far more columns to choose from: bit rates, bit depths etc.
- sort files like the Windows XP Explorer: folders first, then files and sticky settings for column widths etc.

Not everything about the Mac is better than Windows.

Dear Frazzle,

I don't know where you're coming from, and each and every person's POV difers on this topic, but let me tell you some things.

a) The window management in OS X is way better than you think in case you are running a decent display. To put it the other way: What the heck do you need a 'Maximize to screen' button for on a 24" display or above. Therefore you only seem to be using a small screen. Trust me, the green button is very efficient on a large screen and helps avoid clutter.

b) To optionally close an App instead of closing a window learn the difference between (system-wide) Cmd-Q (quit the App) and Cmd-W (close the Window). I personally love to have Apps open on my machine, even if there is currently no document open. Leaving up a pic just to let Photoshop run in the bacground is a dodgy way of doing it.

c) 'Tree view' is somehow a dodgy term. Could you please describe, what significant advantage this has over list view in Finder?

That's at least my POV, but yours is appreciated. I just tend to disagree.;)
 
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