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I doubt they'd mimic the appearance exactly, but perhaps the new "Marble" design is on its way? Hopefully consolidating all iOS and OS X interface elements for more standardised behaviour, but with a nicer appearance on the desktop (owing to the greater space available). Please give us a skin-able UI Apple, no more "hacks"!

Ultimately I think that the more code iOS and OS X have in common the better, such that development for one is automatically development for the other, except when its for the elements that they do not share. The more in common they have (functionality and behaviour), the better both can be as improvements become common. This also frees up the dedicated teams for each to be minimised and focus on the aspects that are different such as UI appearance, apps, etc.
 
Another WAG? Built-in ability to run Windows programs. That is something the business community has been wanting for some time now and would go far to advance Mac sales. It would give business buyers fewer worries to make the switch. Home computing is decreasing in importance as most people only need an iPad for what they do. The future for power users who still need desktop horsepower, is in business users and power home users.

I'd think Apple wouldn't directly allow Windows apps if for no other reason than they want the good user experience to be with Mac OS X and the cumbersome experience to be with Windows (and other OS's) Also, I'd think they would worry that they could lose some incentive for Mac developers, you'd end up with people writing windows programs and just expecting them to work in Mac; kind of like the problem OS2 ran into. Personally I'd prefer Apple to keep it the way it is now, but I know not everyone will feel that way, nor do I expect them to. If Apple does make it so Windows Apps can run natively or seamlessly I hope there's a way to turn it off, I like Windows apps being sand-boxed in Boot Camp and/or a Virtual Machine.
 
My personal theory is that obviously "Lion" will be the final iteration of OS X so any iOS integration etc will be cased for the next OS from Apple. At best we could expect and iTunes 10 GUI and more multitouch gestures. I seriously doubt Lion will iOS ported to the PC - I hope not anyway.

Either way I am excited for tomorrow and glad to see Apple finally paying some much needed attention to their other business, personal computers.:D

Why can't Snow Leopard be the last iteration of OS X? Why would Apple make their customers wait another 2 years before changing the Mac OS to integrate with their iOS devices? Who says Lion can't be the new iOS for Mac?
 
People still are expecting ZFS? That was dead when Sun was purchased by Oracle.

I'm pretty sure it was s#!+-canned before that, the Oracle purchase probably drove a stake in the heart of ZFS on OS X. I hope Apple is working on something like it though.

Monochrome may be distracting, but there's another principle in play here. Colors help to visually distinguish interface elements, making it quick to identify, for instance, which button to press or which icon represents a particular program. A limited, muted color scheme is good, but I would never advocate a monochrome OS. Just look at the early Mac OS to see what that looks like (even if it'd be far smoother now, there are principles at work there that actually reduce productivity).

Monochrome is useful when you're doing color work, you don't want odd UI colors next to the actual work image (or footage) otherwise you risk your perception being altered because of the non-neutral surroundings. I think that's why Aperture and Final Cut are neutral gray. Outside of that kind of app, I much prefer having some colors because it's easier to find things at a glance.
 
I knew it, even a "Back to the Mac" event is going to end up about iOS.

I really want to keep my aqua scroll bars. I like the tiny scroll bars for a mobile device, but on my computer, I want a real scroll bar.
 
Once you get past all this silly babble about old scrollbars vs. new scrollbars, you'll realize that it's not about the scrollbars at all:

OS X 10.7 will be designed to include full touchscreen / multitouch devices.

Yes, there is a touchscreen Mac in the near future...
A touch-screen interface isn't a good user experience for a large-screen computer. It works on the iPad/iPhone because you are already holding the display. However, it would be a major pain in the you-know-where on a large screen computer. You don't want to be lifting your arms every time you want to select something on the screen. Furthermore, the Mac OS already supports multi-touch input using a trackpad.

That said, it's quite possible that Apple will eventually introduce a touch-screen Mac, but I doubt that it will represent a major shift away from the traditional keyboard, mouse, and trackpad based products (for that we already have the iPad).
 
I have responded in a few forums of this happening before this thread. It's the only new renovation they could do with the scrollbar.

I honestly love it. It would remove the pixel space that the aqua scrollbar takes making it look the same as the left of the browser. Giving a seamless look of the webpage.

I'm looking forward to this.
 
I'm pretty sure it was s#!+-canned before that, the Oracle purchase probably drove a stake in the heart of ZFS on OS X. I hope Apple is working on something like it though.

Yep, would love a new file system or a significant update to HFS+. Not for anything so trivial as cut/paste, mind you, but for other reasons I'm not going to bother getting into here (it's been discussed aplenty elsewhere).

Monochrome is useful when you're doing color work, you don't want odd UI colors next to the actual work image (or footage) otherwise you risk your perception being altered because of the non-neutral surroundings. I think that's why Aperture and Final Cut are neutral gray. Outside of that kind of app, I much prefer having some colors because it's easier to find things at a glance.

True, there are use cases where monochrome is good. Overall, though I'd prefer the actual OS maintain good color schemes. iTunes is a good example of what not to do (in iTunes 10.1 with the missing colors).

jW
 
As far as I can tell, the iOS "Scroll Bar" doesn't scroll at all -- it's just an indicator and you can't select it. You scroll by dragging the page up and down. So how do you quickly move to page 200 of a 400 page document? Easy to do with a real scroll bar. Of course with scrolling on a trackpad or mouse the need for a scrollbar is reduced to only the quick, course positioning.

You are right, under iOS its a scroll bar "indicator." I do not mind the minimal look of the iOS indicator bar, however when I move-over the scroll bar area I want the scroll bar to appear. Nothing magical here folks. :D
 
A touch-screen interface isn't a good user experience for a large-screen computer. It works on the iPad/iPhone because you are already holding the display. However, it would be a major pain in the you-know-where on a large screen computer. You don't want to be lifting your arms every time you want to select something on the screen. Furthermore, the Mac OS already supports multi-touch input using a trackpad.

That said, it's quite possible that Apple will eventually introduce a touch-screen Mac, but I doubt that it will represent a major shift away from the traditional keyboard, mouse, and trackpad based products.

You don't HAVE TO lift your arms every time, but you MAY if appropriate.
You don't have to use shotcuts on the keypad eather, you may use the mouse/trackpad - am I right?
 
This seems truly useless

Chatter over a scroll indicator bar. Who cares? Really, I am waiting to see what else :apple: has in store for FS and UI. I love SL, however if 10.7 has no major draw factor I might hold off upgrading for a few months after release. I have never had an issue on any of my Mac when upgrading with a 10.X release, unlike those who wait for the 10.X.x updates. :D
 
As long as it doesn't disappear then it should be fine. Please stay translucent, so I know where I am without moving the page, and so I know where it is for dragging.
 
I don't want to mock Mac OS X 10.7, we have the iPhone 4 for that. i just don't see the point having rubber band on the computer with the magic mouse, its a nice feature but not necessary, and would be annoying when scrolling quickly to the top. i prefer it to hit a brick wall rather than transfer the scrolling energy onto the band.
 
You don't HAVE TO lift your arms every time, but you MAY if appropriate.
You don't have to use shotcuts on the keypad eather, you may use the mouse/trackpad - am I right?

If the iMac gets MultiTouch screen, then this is a good indicator of where Mac OS is heading. Unifying iOS and MacOS. Its going to be an interesting event tomorrow.
 
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So when will we see the new os, in store shelfs? After the official announcement tommorrow anyways? A month a year proximantly?
 
If the iMac gets MultiTouch screen, then this is a good indicator of where Mac OS is heading. Unifying iOS and MacOS. Its going to be an interesting event tomorrow.

They won't, Apple cant afford to take a giant step right now
 
Still waiting for news of a live feed for the Wednesday event. I have been planning to watch for the past week. iPad is fully charged. Keg is full!
 
I haven't used a scroll bar since 2-finger scrolling was introduced.
I honestly don't see a need for it anymore
 
Who the **** cares about scrollbars.
160++ comments about a ****ing scrollbar.


A SCROLLBAR.... WHAT THE ****?
 
Once you get past all this silly babble about old scrollbars vs. new scrollbars, you'll realize that it's not about the scrollbars at all:

OS X 10.7 will be designed to include full touchscreen / multitouch devices.

Yes, there is a touchscreen Mac in the near future.*

Yes, there is an iOS / OS X integration or convergence sometime in the future. (But it's not as simple as let's make one like the other.)

You see, it's never about where Apple "is" at any given time or how this compares to what "was." It's all about where Apple "is going" in the future. You are being led down a very thoughtful, well-planned path to future device interaction.

*Yeah, I know there have been third-party modded touchscreen Macbooks around for a while. Apple is going to do it right, as they usually do, with a fully integrated hardware+software experience as they've done all along the way. It's not going to be an existing Macbook with a touchscreen feature, and it's not going to be a souped up iPad with a keyboard. It will be the best of both worlds, as Jobs and co. don't usually settle for less. And yes, they have screwed up before. They are not perfect. But they will get a whole lot right, and do so much better than most anyone else.


Thank you for probably the most educated and level-headed comment in this whole thread. Took the words right out of my mouth. This whole scrollbar's thing is about a much bigger picture.

Magic Trackpad, Magic Mouse, iOS-styled scroll bars and elastic bouncing....? Clearly apple want to bring the touch paradigm into desktop/laptop computing as much as possible. Clearly one can acknowledge that complete touch (ipad et al) isn't completely feasible at the moment without some sort of layer on top of OS X. However gesturing and other interface nuances such as the elastic bouncing on scrolling, and whatever else they decide to add clearly indicate that the transition has begun.

I'm not saying this is a transition to iOS. Actually I find it silly to think OS X will turn into iOS. If anything, Apple will make iOS more like Mac OS X while retaining the touch paradigm. Eventually there will be enough feature parity and a merger of sorts may be possible. But there's more than just software (OS) in play here, even more than hardware (touch input). It's infrastructures such as an OS X app store. As touch becomes the mainstay for OS interaction, file system browsing and file management will need to be simplified, app installation, app purchasing etc.. all needs to be refined.

To accomplish this 'simplification', Apple needs to do it without creating a dumbed down approach. Simple, yet powerful rather than simple and basic. An app store infrastructure like that for the iphone/pad would make browsing and installing apps much more intuitive.

Dare I say it, computing is going to get simpler and more abstract. The top-layer of future OS's will 'abstract' us away from the underpinnings of the file system, and keep us in a layer of simplicity and productivity.

I for one am looking forward to it. Sure I'll miss the old way, but that's no different to missing floppy drives :) The proof is in the pudding too. My 2.5 year old son can use an iOS device fine. He can't use a Mac. The touch paradigm makes much more sense for a wider audience.

Peace everyone. Oh also, personal gripe... why does everyone here always have a go at each other? Seriously, smile.... be friendly. Only live once, don't waste it being nasty.

Scottie
 
Another WAG? Built-in ability to run Windows programs. That is something the business community has been wanting for some time now and would go far to advance Mac sales. It would give business buyers fewer worries to make the switch. Home computing is decreasing in importance as most people only need an iPad for what they do. The future for power users who still need desktop horsepower, is in business users and power home users.
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No way. Can you imagine the hit to Steve's ego if they had to pay licensing fees to Microsoft for a copy of Windows on each Mac sold? :D
 
Bring back Aqua! :apple:

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Thank you!! Lets bring back the real, original aqua. It could definitely be done very nicely, although some things would need to be modernized/toned down
 
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