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Mac OS X Leopard 10.5 GM Candidate Build

at this stage it's a guess

but i'd say

PowerPC G4 with 1.25Ghz or greater (maybe 1Ghz)
512Mb RAM (you may get away with 256Mb, but it's not worth it with that little)
and Firewire and DVD-ROM
 
MikeTheC said:
It's not a matter of "pulling it off", as you say. It's a matter of that kind of design is intrinsically flawed as a concept. Basically, *not* having an optical drive built-in means having to carry one with you, separately, everywhere you go so that any time you need to stick in a disc (CD, DVD, DVD-DL, etc.) you can do it. Which then means having this stupid a** external box hanging off your otherwise aesthetically-pleasing lappy.

And if you forget the drive, or lose it, or it dies, you'll have to go get another one.

Now, the way Sony implemented the interface, on the earlier series it used a proprietary PC/MCIA-type interface, and on the second series it connected via USB, but in BOTH cases you had to buy the whole shebang from Sony, since third-party optical drives would NOT boot the computer (thus making it useless if you needed to nuke-n-pave), and then as that equipment was no longer being manufactured and eventually the product just simply was no longer anywhere in the distribution chain, those laptops are now basically worthless because you simply cannot nuke them and may or may not, depending on the model, be able to get a non-Sony external optical drive to work.

Now, clearly, Apple isn't Sony, and so this could all be rectified by an external drive simply attaching via Firewire. But it's still a bad way to design a notebook.
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If the drive dies inside the computer (which has happened to my macbook) you need to get a new one too. I don't see your point? Sure the drive could be lost, but an internal drive could just as easily fail and you are in the same position.

I used to use the optical drive all the time, now i mostly use USB flash disks. Macbooks will boot file of a flash disk, so you can always reinstall the os that way if you have to.
 
You are kidding, right?

MikeTheC said:
I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks any kind of concept of "activation" belongs anywhere *near* any of Apple's (or anyone elses') products should be taken out back and smacked.

No, what should happen, pal, is that Apple should be willing to let it slip a few days if that's what's required, because I'd rather have a stable OS than a buggy one, and since I have no plans to be in line on release day +20, much less release day itself, don't count me in that ridiculous contingent of users who would push for a release from Apple "no matter what". What an impatient society we are!
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<Off topic>Apple also uses concepts of activation, believe it or not. Maybe you should just shell out the money to use Little Snitch. Then you'd have a clue, how often Apple Apps are calling home. The fact, they don't use the data against you, doesn't mean that they don't collect it.

Personally I had to use a serial no. for FCS, and all apps phoned to Apple on first start. And I guess they could also be able to implement some stuff like Microsoft with the "Windows Genuine Advantage"-Scheme.

Basically I neither blame Apple nor M$ or Adobe for implementing these schemes. I just wish they would use their collected data against piracy, the way they could. Take the IP, track the user of pirated software down, and sue the hell out of him/her.</Off topic>

Though the suspense is killing me, I'd rather have a solid 10.5.0 in December, than a rushed one in October. I have used every commercially available version of OS X as 10.x.0 versions, and boy, those were bad ones.

Believe it or not, I'm afraid that Leopard will ship with some major stuff. Honestly I'm prepared for some heavy Time Machine bug killing some amount of data. But I could also imagine some nasty Safari issues (version 3.0.0 on Windows, anyone?). I saw the WWDC build running, and I really had problems with the menu bar (hope they fixed that).

Therefore this will be the first time, I won't pre-order a new Mac OS. And now jump, little lemmings, cause the Leopard will be there end of October :D:D:D
 
swagi said:
Believe it or not, I'm afraid that Leopard will ship with some major stuff. ... Therefore this will be the first time, I won't pre-order a new Mac OS.
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That's where I'm at too. This is the first release since OS 9 arrived that I won't jump on right away. Tiger works fine for me, and while I'd really like to have Xcode 3.0 and some of the other features right away, the fact that Apple hasn't identified a GM release yet scares me.

I've decided to take a wait and see approach. Man... I'd never thought I'd say that about Leopard. :eek:
 
swagi said:
Believe it or not, I'm afraid that Leopard will ship with some major stuff. Honestly I'm prepared for some heavy Time Machine bug killing some amount of data. But I could also imagine some nasty Safari issues (version 3.0.0 on Windows, anyone?). I saw the WWDC build running, and I really had problems with the menu bar (hope they fixed that).

Therefore this will be the first time, I won't pre-order a new Mac OS. And now jump, little lemmings, cause the Leopard will be there end of October :D:D:D
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So you're making your decision of whether or not to buy Leopard based off from a beta you saw running nearly 4 months ago (WWDC Build)???? I guess you don't believe in the word progression. There are very few major issues with the current build of Leopard. There will ALWAYS be bugs in an OS, always!

Time Machine has been finished in Leopard for ages. I can't see any major issues there and it worked fine for me the last time I used it. I did use Leopard betas for about a month or so. Yes, that may not be enough time to see any major issues, but I haven't heard of any issues with Time Machine from any people that I know have the beta(s) installed.

I hardly think you can compare the Windows version of Safari to the one shipping in Leopard. Come on, you have to know better than that!

Seems like we go through this crap every time a new OS comes out. Every says they don't have confidence in Apple and its going to have major issues, and yet people buy it anyways and most are happy. There will always be people who will have issues from the start. Happens in both the Windows and Mac worlds. Its just a part of upgrading something major. Its impossible to build an OS upgrade that will be 100% problem free. Everyone has kind of a unique setup in some way so its impossible to also base an OS from 1 person's experience because there are so many variables its unexplainable. Most issues you will see when installing any new OS is when people do an upgrade.

I myself believe its the perfect time to erase the HD and reload it fresh with the new OS since it likely hasn't been done since the last OS release. The OS doesn't take very long to install (10-20 minutes on most Macs), there isn't 300MB of updates to run for the OS. The only time consuming thing you have to do is re-install your apps and transfer your information back over, which may or may not even be time consuming. If you do this, then you know without a doubt that you'll have a smooth transition unless there is an issue with something in the OS itself. You don't have to worry about conflicting files, prefs, etc....
 
not long now.. have to say, not sure if it's worth the wait. will be interesting to see what all the over 'under the hood' improvements have been made
 
phillipjfry said:
Activation is one of the few things in life that kills me a little inside every single time I come across it :(
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Activation is one of the few things in android lives that makes them live a little inside every single time they come across it. Lore loves you.
 
Well it will have to be announced soon if its going to be released this month. Im sure its already in production, and when they have the numbers they want they will announce it. Whether ot not its GM yet, it will be announced when they have the numbers, and then theyll just release something via software update when users go to install.
 
10.5.1 Will Not Appear For Several Weeks Past Shipping Date

Telp said:
Well it will have to be announced soon if its going to be released this month. Im sure its already in production, and when they have the numbers they want they will announce it. Whether ot not its GM yet, it will be announced when they have the numbers, and then theyll just release something via software update when users go to install.
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I doubt Software Update will deliver 10.5.1 for a few weeks. :rolleyes:
 
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