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#include <stdio.h>
int main (void) {
int i;
for (i = 0; i < 10; ++i)
printf ("Welcome to MacOS X 10.5!\n");
return 0;
}

Ok, the Safari spelling checker doesn't like it, but to me it looks bug-free and it has a loop that is guaranteed to exit :D

I could never remember the diff between ++i and i++
Coding is a devilish sea hag in which there is no taming :(
 
me too, was saying I hope they that include an external optical drive in the box if they get rid of them from notebooks

Yes, hopefully optical media will be dead for my needs (not high-end video, or large amounts of data)when the time comes for me to get a new Mac...
 
Guys I’m new to macs and have a quick question.

I’m plan on purchasing a refurbished macbook in a few days and I was wondering if maybe I should wait until after 10.5 is released. I guess what I’m asking is: will refurbished apple products comes with the latest OS (10.5) or will they come with the OS they originally shipped with
 
Neither would I, but I can hope for the grey scrollbar from here...and checkboxes etc to fit...

Either would be nice. Aqua just doesn't fit in with the new "unified" look. Which isn't even unified due to the presence of aqua elements like the scroll-bars.
 
os X.5 Finder improvement?

Anybody have test the new Finder in X.5 ? how is it in term of multi tasking? That my main complaint about X.1 X.2 X.3 X.4, is having a finder that hang up when trying to connect to a remote host.

Finder is still carbon? hope not, it's one of the aspect of OS X I don't like so far (I have been using it since X.0). There's also some others minors thing like
- Linking with -static doesn't work, crt0.o is not there ( I know it's bad, but I'm not coding everything I compile!)
- NTFS writing
- The network browser is simply awfull (out of context of everything, a real pain in the a**)
- With every release within last year I have seen minor features going away or be lost in some update that I miss. Just a few example...
* QuickTime 7 seam so cripple in editing function (maybe I'm just lost ?!?).
* DVD player doesn't have the Open Video_TS folder, dragNdrop still work on it.

Is Apple voluntary locking features? I begin to less like them during the past few years. I was totally blow away when os X was realease, but I think since X.3 they have take a weird turn that I really begin to dislike more and more over the time.

Is the new samba implementation more reliable?
X.1 to X.3 was fun, the OS was speeding thing, since X.4 it get more bloated and slower.

Still, it better then Vista or XP IMO, way more user friendly then Linux (I don't have this much time to spend just for making my machine work). But I hope they will continue to improve what REALLY matter in the few next release, yes dashboard is funny, spaces (even if I already have Desktop Manager that do the same thing for over 2 years) and begin to:
- make the OS more speedier
- improve the networking
- update Spotlight (never have been as quick as Apple pretend it to be, bubt still way better then Windows search version)
- Surround Sound fully supported by everything
- Finish some application Dictionnary, eeehh, there's some other language then english you know
-iChat is so useless outside of USA, AIM is funny for them, but for the rest of us? what is the point?! Support for jabber is not nearly polish enough to be of any real usage. Yahoo, ICQ, MSN support? So what's the point of iChat if you can't speak/videoconference with other people?! Yes it's a great application, but with nobody on it it's plain useless. Yeah the new funny photobooth effect are cool, but couldn't they make it more versatile before ading those kind of features?
- Feature to be out of the way? .Mac everywhere, noooo, make it a plug-in installation, I don't want this in my OS and menu by default

If anybody can let me know if they solve some of those problems in X.5 I may run to buy it out, else I may wait.
 
seeems a bit too tight timewise to me, maybe they should just offer it for downloaddd? with an activation of some sort that can then make it work for release day :)

I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks any kind of concept of "activation" belongs anywhere *near* any of Apple's (or anyone elses') products should be taken out back and smacked.

No, what should happen, pal, is that Apple should be willing to let it slip a few days if that's what's required, because I'd rather have a stable OS than a buggy one, and since I have no plans to be in line on release day +20, much less release day itself, don't count me in that ridiculous contingent of users who would push for a release from Apple "no matter what". What an impatient society we are!
 
Well, having worked for Sony which has made on two different occasions laptops which did not have internal optical drives, let me be the first to tell you how bad an idea that is.
What were the problems? Do you not think Apple could pull it off?
 
Whoa, wait a minute! That's quite a mouthful there, dude.

- Finish some application Dictionnary, eeehh, there's some other language then english you know

Huh? What did you just say? I'm going to go out on a limb here, but I suspect English (note the capital initial letter) is not your primary language.

... ( I know it's bad, but I'm not coding everything I compile!)

You're not coding everything you... Hmm... I'm sorry, but that just flat out doesn't make sense. How can you compile something if you don't code it first? Or do you just expect that XCode or GCC (or whatever) will just magically invent compiled code out of thin air for you?

- With every release within last year I have seen minor features going away or be lost in some update that I miss. Just a few example...
* QuickTime 7 seam so cripple in editing function (maybe I'm just lost ?!?).
* DVD player doesn't have the Open Video_TS folder, dragNdrop still work on it.

Is Apple voluntary locking features? I begin to less like them during the past few years. I was totally blow away when os X was realease, but I think since X.3 they have take a weird turn that I really begin to dislike more and more over the time.

and

-iChat is so useless outside of USA, AIM is funny for them, but for the rest of us? what is the point?! Support for jabber is not nearly polish enough to be of any real usage. Yahoo, ICQ, MSN support? So what's the point of iChat if you can't speak/videoconference with other people?! Yes it's a great application, but with nobody on it it's plain useless. Yeah the new funny photobooth effect are cool, but couldn't they make it more versatile before ading those kind of features?

and

- Feature to be out of the way? .Mac everywhere, noooo, make it a plug-in installation, I don't want this in my OS and menu by default

and

- NTFS writing

Well, first off, if you don't like a proprietary, commercial OS vendor making such changes to their product (and while what you're complaining about doesn't directly impact me, I'll grant the legitimacy of what you're saying) then maybe you really should consider an alternative. It's certainly an option I've been considering and evaluating for some time.

Second off, NTFS is a proprietary file system and owned by Microsoft. They're the ones holding it close to their chest; they're the ones restricting any and all third-party development, enhancement and extensibility. If you don't like that, complain to Redmond, not Cupertino.

Third (and hopefully lastly) if you want a chat client that supports the standards you want it to support, then why not look at something like, for instance, Adium? Yes, you're right: Apple should look at supporting more of the commonly-used standards out there. And I'm not trying to let them "off the hook" in that regard; however, you have a brain, a mouse and a keyboard, so use something different.
 
What were the problems? Do you not think Apple could pull it off?

It's not a matter of "pulling it off", as you say. It's a matter of that kind of design is intrinsically flawed as a concept. Basically, *not* having an optical drive built-in means having to carry one with you, separately, everywhere you go so that any time you need to stick in a disc (CD, DVD, DVD-DL, etc.) you can do it. Which then means having this stupid a** external box hanging off your otherwise aesthetically-pleasing lappy.

And if you forget the drive, or lose it, or it dies, you'll have to go get another one.

Now, the way Sony implemented the interface, on the earlier series it used a proprietary PC/MCIA-type interface, and on the second series it connected via USB, but in BOTH cases you had to buy the whole shebang from Sony, since third-party optical drives would NOT boot the computer (thus making it useless if you needed to nuke-n-pave), and then as that equipment was no longer being manufactured and eventually the product just simply was no longer anywhere in the distribution chain, those laptops are now basically worthless because you simply cannot nuke them and may or may not, depending on the model, be able to get a non-Sony external optical drive to work.

Now, clearly, Apple isn't Sony, and so this could all be rectified by an external drive simply attaching via Firewire. But it's still a bad way to design a notebook.
 
Now, clearly, Apple isn't Sony, and so this could all be rectified by an external drive simply attaching via Firewire. But it's still a bad way to design a notebook.

So far, on this Macbook I have used the optical drive ONCE, and only for reinstalling the OS...a subnotebook would be a secondary machine for many, so having an optical drive is hardly necessary...
 
In answer to MikeTheC

1- Indeed English is not my main language.
2- I'm not coding "myself" everything I compile. A lock down feature on purpose (check the Apple Developper Web on crt0.o unavaibility in OS X to understand why), you have to replace a part of the system with Darwin release if you want to achieve this. You normally do this when porting stuff to OS X.
3- Yeah NTFS is own code by Microsoft, still Linux have a writer that is working (beta I agree, but let me use it! having to pass by a Fuse coded by the Google staff is a bit ridiculous).
4- I already use Adium (which still lack the video conferencing, with aMSN and Mercury to do so)

I don't say OS X is bad, just that I think Apple is make too much eye candy over features those days.
 
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