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Mac OS X Leopard, iLife, and iWork Coming in June 2007?
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june = spring?
i have never heard of June referred to as spring. granted, i'm from Florida where we only have two seasons (hot... and not-as-hot), but i've always heard that Dec-Jan-Feb was winter, Mar-Apr-May was spring, and Jun-Jul-Aug is summer. saying that June is spring would effectively be saying that December is fall, September (when parts of the country start getting snow) is summer, and March (where it's 90+ degrees here) is winter. i don't buy it.
if anything, june is Q2 2007, not spring.
i have never heard of June referred to as spring. granted, i'm from Florida where we only have two seasons (hot... and not-as-hot), but i've always heard that Dec-Jan-Feb was winter, Mar-Apr-May was spring, and Jun-Jul-Aug is summer. saying that June is spring would effectively be saying that December is fall, September (when parts of the country start getting snow) is summer, and March (where it's 90+ degrees here) is winter. i don't buy it.
if anything, june is Q2 2007, not spring.
Thinksecret earlier speculated a March release. Now they say June. And we should believe them now, why?
You need to study a little astronomy. The first day of summer is June 21st which is also the longest day of the year in the northern hemisphere.
The first day of fall this year is Sept. 23. So summer officially runs 6-21-07 to 9-22-07.
Perhaps because it makes sense. Since MWSF lacked any Leopard coverage, June (or rather, the next WWDC) has pretty much been the only serious candidate as a Leopard release date.
Leopard is a significant release. If it wasn't, it would have been released last year. There's stuff we haven't seen. To get to the point: Leopard is a release Steve Jobs is going to want to show us, this isn't going to be quietly released as a new item on the Apple Store.
When can Jobs next show things to Mac enthusiasts? WWDC. There's no other candidate. They can't do a special event, because you only get journalists and industry people at special events, not Mac enthusiasts.
It'll be at WWDC.
It's probably people buying Apple TVs after the news (April Fool or no) that you can install full copies of Mac OS X on them... the shop can't keep up.
Hey, I'm not doubting June as a release date. From what I know, that is when I would expect it too. But for Thinksecret to report a new month once their previously predicted one has passed seems circumspect.
There is no official definition for Spring
This must be the definition Apple is using.
However, there is no official definition for Spring. What you're referring to is the astronomical definition. For some reason, many Americans think the astronomical definition is somehow official, and also think other people on the Northern Hemisphere think so, too. (Source: this article). In reality, "spring" has multiple definitions - check out this Wikipedia article.
In Finland, people generally think that "summer" equals June, July and August.
Apple says "Leopard is coming Spring 2007" in the Finnish site, too. I can only hope they really mean that Leopard will ship before June, at least for Finland.
jskauppi
This must be the definition Apple is using.
However, there is no official definition for Spring. What you're referring to is the astronomical definition. For some reason, many Americans think the astronomical definition is somehow official, and also think other people on the Northern Hemisphere think so, too. (Source: this article). In reality, "spring" has multiple definitions - check out this Wikipedia article.
In Finland, people generally think that "summer" equals June, July and August.
Apple says "Leopard is coming Spring 2007" in the Finnish site, too. I can only hope they really mean that Leopard will ship before June, at least for Finland.
jskauppi
I think the argument is that buying a Vista equipped computer doesn't get you any of those things. Buying an OSX equipped one does. Even if you upgrade the OS, your copy of iLife will keep working just like it did before.IMO iLife should be part of OSX.
Why?
Because with Mac's things are supposed to "just work", you can make your home videos, create your own songs, build a website bla bla bla. The thing is, this is NOT a bundled feature of OSX, if you buy a used Mac and decide to get Leopard you have to 75$ on top of it just to create the kind of content that Apple makes sound so "native" and "out of the box".
I'm just saying this because, when I took the plunge and bought the 24" iMac, I only knew afterwards that iLife was bundled with every Mac purchased but not with OSX itself. I was reading a OSX Vs Windows comparasion chart and a lot of topics won or tied by the PC side were like "No native photo editing program", and I was like "what about iphoto?" oops, not bundled with OSX.. And more examples that prove OSX has much more value with iLife inside, check them out if you'd like:
www.xvsxp.com
From what I know about Apple I think it's not like them to divide products when there is no real need to do so.
My humble opinion. It should be: Leopard (with iLife included) - 200$.
*As for the release date.. I've been saying June ever since the WWDC 07 date was announced
I think iPhoto sucks. I made a longish post about it a couple weeks ago, but there is tons of room for improvement in iPhoto.
I think, though, that they should bundle the whole thing together and update it every 2-3 years. The annual iLife updates are a bit much, in my opinion.
I agree with that, seems as though there's constant pressure to stay up to date when software is updated.
iLife Leprosy, iWork Leprosy
That would just be stupid, keep to the year and just call it iLife/ iWork '08. Apple should really just bundle them both with Leopard, that way you have to upgrade to get the newest iLife/ iWork. Maybe they can have a regular Leopard and then the Leopard Bundle including iLife and iWork can be marked up to $199. Here's to hoping they just build it into Leopard and still charge $129.
That would just be stupid, keep to the year and just call it iLife/ iWork '08. Apple should really just bundle them both with Leopard, that way you have to upgrade to get the newest iLife/ iWork. Maybe they can have a regular Leopard and then the Leopard Bundle including iLife and iWork can be marked up to $199. Here's to hoping they just build it into Leopard and still charge $129.
The fact is that Spring in the USA ends June 20th, and Apple are an American company, so they're not lying. I'm not sure what your definition of "official" is, but to me the Astronomical one is as good as its going to get in terms of defining the seasons. Its certainly better than defining Spring/Summer as "when its hot". Lots of US government websites you will find June 21st referred to as the first day of summer, as well as on calendars in the USA. I don't know how official it has to be for you to accept it, but when Steve Jobs looks at his calendar and sees "June 21st, First day of Summer", you know he thinks - lets aim to release before then, so we can say "Spring 2007".
If you look at the Australian Apple website it states that Leopard is coming "Mid-2007", as obviously they can't say "Spring" in the southern hemisphere.
Its definitely coming in June.
I agree with the bundle idea. It would reduce packaging. It makes it easier on development, because Apple doesn't have to worry about supporting the older OS versions in the iLife apps. I think they should throw iWork in there too. I'm not sure what the numbers are like on iWork adoption, but surely the numbers would improve if it was bundled in with the OS.
Take some time to read any of these forums regarding when Leopard will land. About every three pages, someone will explain the finer astronomical points of why June is still spring (while the rest of us roll our eyes).
Seriously, WWDC is in June. Leopard will either be here by then or be announced and be available shortly thereafter. Move along.
They would still have to worry about supporting older OS versions because not everyone updates after every OS update. Some people will skip leopard and just get whatever is after leopard, and apple wouldnt say screw you! cuz you didnt buy leopard
What did you say the problems were?
There are some limitations if you want to use iPhoto as a pro app -- like how it's difficult to set up multiple libraries, lacks Photoshop-level photo editing -- but it's not a pro app. It is intuitive, stable and able to handle a very large photo library, and I couldn't be happier with it as a consumer app.
But if iLife and iWork suites are bundled with the OS, they don't need to worry about someone running the newer versions on an older OS because they've purchased them together. I'm not talking about dropping support for older versions of the OS or the suites. Just that, during development, they won't have to check if the new version of the suite software works with older versions of the OS if they are sold only as a bundle.
forgive me, apple gods!
recently i have been posting some critical comments on apple because the lack of informaion on leopard and ilife etc. yesterday i needed to move some files on the lone dell dimesion that i 'upgraded' with vista ultimte recently. when done, i tried to empty the trashcan that had a whopping 98mb (5 files) in it. after waiting over 30 seconds while vista kept telling me 'computing time to erase files' or something to tht effect, i turned of the machine in disgust. i remembered why i got away from windows in the first place. apple, i will sin no more and patiently wait for leopard's release!
recently i have been posting some critical comments on apple because the lack of informaion on leopard and ilife etc. yesterday i needed to move some files on the lone dell dimesion that i 'upgraded' with vista ultimte recently. when done, i tried to empty the trashcan that had a whopping 98mb (5 files) in it. after waiting over 30 seconds while vista kept telling me 'computing time to erase files' or something to tht effect, i turned of the machine in disgust. i remembered why i got away from windows in the first place. apple, i will sin no more and patiently wait for leopard's release!
I don't know if you've had a chance to read the article yet but they do explain this.
Apple were considering releasing it in March, but decided to move the date back.
I'm not gullible enough to completely rule out the fact this is just a convenient excuse, but we also have to accept that this could be the truth.
That doesnt make sense...
If they are sold as a bundle, Apple will know that:
Everyone who buys iLife version A (where A is a variable = version number) has OS version A and vice versa (because they won't be sold separately).
Therefore, when developing iLife version A they don't have to worry about it running on versions of the OS prior to version A, because they know the customer has version A (because they've bought them together).
I think they will check that version A of the OS is capable of running versions of iLife prior to A, in case people want to run an older version of an iLife app...but the features of the new iLife version could be tied to and/or require the OS version that they were bundled with.