Mac OS X Leopard, iLife, and iWork Coming in June 2007?

[bankshot]

The biggest thing iPhoto is missing is preview before import. If I have 250 pictures on my memory card, and I just want the last photo brought in to iPhoto, I want a preview of what is on the camera so I can choose what to import, especially if I don't want the other 249 pictures on my computer. My old OS9 Olympus Camedia software could do this, I still can't believe it isn't in iPhoto yet.

Yeah, I lost a weekend's worth of photos because of this. I was alternately taking photos in batches of 20-30, then importing. My memory card has enough room for roughly 250 photos at highest quality, but I still made iPhoto delete the photos on the memory card after each import. Otherwise each successive import would have taken that much longer as it first scanned through all the old photos I already had (this is with a fairly old Canon D30 with only USB 1.1). Then a couple days later the Mac hard drive died, just before I was about to back them up! If iPhoto had let me pick and choose which photos to import based on previews, I'd have kept them all on the memory card.

I've been using mostly iPhoto lately, but I recall that the Image Capture application still lets you preview before importing. Might give that a try.

 

[Chef Medeski]

IMO iLife should be part of OSX.

Why?

Because with Mac's things are supposed to "just work", you can make your home videos, create your own songs, build a website bla bla bla. The thing is, this is NOT a bundled feature of OSX, if you buy a used Mac and decide to get Leopard you have to 75$ on top of it just to create the kind of content that Apple makes sound so "native" and "out of the box".
I'm just saying this because, when I took the plunge and bought the 24" iMac, I only knew afterwards that iLife was bundled with every Mac purchased but not with OSX itself. I was reading a OSX Vs Windows comparasion chart and a lot of topics won or tied by the PC side were like "No native photo editing program", and I was like "what about iphoto?" oops, not bundled with OSX.. And more examples that prove OSX has much more value with iLife inside, check them out if you'd like:

www.xvsxp.com

From what I know about Apple I think it's not like them to divide products when there is no real need to do so.

My humble opinion. It should be: Leopard (with iLife included) - 200$.

*As for the release date.. I've been saying June ever since the WWDC 07 date was announced

Im pretty sure iPhoto 2 is free. So is iTunes. And I think iMovie 1 is free. So, you cant burn DVDs or make Webpages. So what. If you bought a Mac in the past 5 yrs, it comes with a more recent version of these softwares including iDVD I believe and upgrading to Leopard wont remove those. So, technically they are built-in. Its just an old-version.

 

[Benjamindaines]

Ugghhh..."iLife Leopard" and "iWork Leopard"? Someone help them choose better names!

Almost as bad as Office XP

 

[Chef Medeski]

Apple please don't do this....


Leopard Standard: OS 1.5
Leopard Web: OS 1.5, iWeb, iPhoto
Leapard Web Premium: OS 1.5, iWeb, iPhoto, iMovie, Garageband
Leopard Home: OS 1.5, iTunes, iPhoto, iMovie, iWork Standard
Leopard Professional: OS 1.5, iWork Professional, Safari Pro

....

Umm... iTunes is free for all computers. So, difference between web premium and Home is iWork. Definetly go with Home. Only musicians use Garageband. iWrodk Pro, Safari Pro, please they can hardly create a full suite for iWork, let alone two different suites. And Safari Pro, who would buy that when itll probably just be a shiny version of Firefox.

Oh and this scheme would turn into the Vista problem with way to complicated options. I say keep them separate. Maybe only release with each new OS version. But still keep them separate. Maybe included with the release but with the option to purchase the iLife on its own. Id think that would be good. Leopard with iLife: Leopard edition included. Or buy iLife seperate if your happy with Tiger/Panther. Nice solution.

 

[MacIllini]

Leopard by "Spring 2007" huh?
May, June, July... whatever. Just release it when it's done and right. No need to rush it half-assd ready like [hrmphMicrosoftehem] some other company

 

[SiliconAddict]

Somebody's got a case of the Mondays.

Nope. Just a case of [insert day I have an issue with OS X]s.

 

[ddaniel]

1st post... Hello all.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned NAB in mid April. It seems likely if the June release is true that it could be announced there.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the "secret feature" of Leopard was integration with Multi-touch, ie Multitouch Macbook Pro's.

Apple has said how many features of Leopard haven't been seen. They have also said that CS3 would be updated after the release of Leopard, implying features nobody has seen yet. It doesn't make sense in my mind for Apple to make such a big deal about the importance of multi-touch and limit it to only one of their products (iPhone).

A multi-touch MBP would make me giddy. I do a lot of graphics work, and a touchscreen would be ideal. The only things holding me back from getting a Windows Tablet PC is the fact that none of them have anything above integrated graphics and none of them have good screen res.

Hope this post made sense... i'm kinda out of it

 

[laurim]

slip of the lip?

I don't know if this adds anything concrete but I just attended an Apple, Adobe and others event. The guy from Apple alluded to Leopard coming out in a few weeks. He didn't actually say it but 1) he said that Apple tends to underpromise and overdeliver on timelines and 2) he made a slip (intentionally?) when he said "when Leopard comes out in a few weeks, um, I mean, a few months" with a big grin. So, I still have hope for a release earlier than June. The money is burning a hole in my pocket for a new MacPro, MacBook Pro and CS3! Broke city here I come...

P.S. At this event, I also got a free copy of a piece of software called Crossover from a company called CodeWeavers. It allows an Intel mac user to use a large variety of Windows-based apps, including Office, Outlook and some games, without having Windows installed whatsoever. The company is a major member of an open source project called Wine that has been making pc programs available to Linux machines and now that Macs are Intel-based they have brought this capability to the mac. Doesn't work for every single Windows app yet but an impressive number of major ones and it isn't emulation, you use the mac finder as usual, no switching back and forth, etc. Can't wait to get an Intel mac and try it out!

 

[jumpinjohn]

No Worries

Touché.

Check your calendar, buddy. You seem to be confused.

I have the definitive answer. Spring BEGINS when the Mesquite Bushes begin to bloom. They just began this past week. Now it is safe to scalp the lawn because we won't have another freeze till next fall. Mesquites never lie.

End of Debate. Apple has three months minus one week. The Mesquites have spoken.

 

[DarkGashX]

I don't know if this adds anything concrete but I just attended an Apple, Adobe and others event. The guy from Apple alluded to Leopard coming out in a few weeks....

You are not the only one to have heard that, a buddy of mine who works at Apple in the States hinted of "something" Leopard related happening in 3 - 5 weeks. Only one event in that time as far as I know . That is a pretty big area Apple has taken for the show lol.

 

[Darkroom]

Might as well call it iLife 07.5 or iLife late-07 while they're at it. Its like 6 months late....or will be at least

calling it "MacLife" seems like a strong (and obvious) idea to me... removing that 90s "i" prefix would defo be a welcomed change... i'm actually surprised that they haven't dropped the "i" from "iMac" to rename it "Mac" yet, since the renamed the "iBook" to "MacBook"... "i..." is way over...

 

[TheSpaz]

How about these names for iLife:

iLife: Super Awesome Edition
iLife: Hey, it works now! Edition
iLife: Doesn't Suck Edition
iLife: Buy a New Mac Edition
iLife: uLife, we all scream for iLife
iLife: So you don't have to Edition
iLife: The not as bad Edition
Life: Whew, glad that's over Edition

There's tons of great names out there!

 

[Darkroom]

How about these names for iLife:

iLife: Super Awesome Edition
iLife: Hey, it works now! Edition
iLife: Doesn't Suck Edition
iLife: Buy a New Mac Edition
iLife: uLife, we all scream for iLife
iLife: So you don't have to Edition
iLife: The not as bad Edition
Life: Whew, glad that's over Edition

There's tons of great names out there!

definatly "iLife: uLife, we all scream for iLife"!!!! i'd buy it

 

[ddaniel]

You are not the only one to have heard that, a buddy of mine who works at Apple in the States hinted of "something" Leopard related happening in 3 - 5 weeks. Only one event in that time as far as I know . That is a pretty big area Apple has taken for the show lol.

Man I hope you're right. My buddy sat on my old laptop and put it out of commission. I want a new Macbook Pro ASAP. Life sucks without a computer

 

[AvSRoCkCO1067]

calling it "MacLife" seems like a strong (and obvious) idea to me... removing that 90s "i" prefix would defo be a welcomed change... i'm actually surprised that they haven't dropped the "i" from "iMac" to rename it "Mac" yet, since the renamed the "iBook" to "MacBook"... "i..." is way over...

Totally...except that Apple's biggest product launch in the last five years begins with an "i" and hasn't even come out yet...

 

[JFreak]

I think iLife will become a part of Leopard itself, and stop being sold as a seperate product. Microsoft Windows Vista include many programs that rival iLife products, so Apple has to repond accordinally.

Actually, it's the other way around. Microsoft has always been accused about killing competition by bundling non-core applications to Windows. Apple has done the right thing by separating non-core lifestyle applications from the operating system. This all makes everything more transparent, and it is really Microsoft who should follow Apple's practices.

Apple sells two versions of its operating system; one server version and one client version. That's it, all you need to specify is whether you're building a server or not. It's a great thing! In comparison, the only simple thing about Microsofts products is that whatever Windows version one must choose, it will not work as expected and the customer can blame oneself for choosing the wrong version.

Then the other software – it's all about the user preference. Need iLife? Just buy it. Need iWork? Just buy it. Need FCP/Shake/Motion/Logic/Whatever? Just buy it. This is as transparent as it gets and I love it!

Apple is however bundling current iLife with all Apple computers sold, which is great too. That is exactly the same kind of marketing decision other PC hardware manufacturers do all the time; take Dell for example, there's lots of software pre-installed, not all of which are useful. This comparison makes Apple look good compared to competition, if only people wanted to base their purchase decision to feature comparison

 

[BillyShears]

You are not the only one to have heard that, a buddy of mine who works at Apple in the States hinted of "something" Leopard related happening in 3 - 5 weeks. Only one event in that time as far as I know . That is a pretty big area Apple has taken for the show lol.

3-5 weeks is April 24 - June 1.

NAB is held April 16 - 19.

WWDC is held June 11 - 15.

I do not follow.

My guess is secret features are revealed at NAB. All Macs updated from NAB to WWDC, starting with Pro lines. Leopard is released at WWDC.

 

[Mac Heretic]

I'm with Mr Shears. Review dates are not neccessarily the same than delivery dates. Apple has slipped to this pre-marketing nowadays, unfortunately.

So, full Leopard and iLife preview in, say middle of May at the latest.
"Leopard is leaping! June 11th."
Then, beginning of June iPhone delivery.
"iPhone now shipping. Ready for the Leopard."
Then, middle of June Leopard and iLife delivery. And I hope that it would come with the updated Macs.
"We did not only leap with OS. We will leap with the Macs again! Shipping: today! With the new Photoshop this thing do not fly - it rockets!" (read: Thank you Adobe for finally updating that s****r!)

That maximizes news coverup.

With the new Mac people could see and test the new OS with a new computer in the stores. I would go for a new iMac with a large display, since that is the key product imagewise.

And before May, maximum hype about all that of course.

 

[Evangelion]

Actually, it's the other way around. Microsoft has always been accused about killing competition by bundling non-core applications to Windows. Apple has done the right thing by separating non-core lifestyle applications from the operating system. This all makes everything more transparent, and it is really Microsoft who should follow Apple's practices.

Well, the difference is tiny, really. Microsoft bundles software to their OS. Apple does not bundle software to their OS, they bundle it to their computers. But the end-result is 98% identical. When user buys a new computer, he gets software that is "non-core".

Apple is however bundling current iLife with all Apple computers sold, which is great too.

So is it a good thing to bundle software or not? It's bad if it's bundled with the OS, but it's good if it's bundled with the computer? What if same company provided both the OS and the computer?

That is exactly the same kind of marketing decision other PC hardware manufacturers do all the time

You are comparing apples (no pun intended) to oranges here. Dell is just an OEM, and it gets it's OS from Microsoft. Apple sells a complete package. They supply the hardware AND the OS. So it really makes no difference that do they bundle their apps with the OS or the computer, since the end-result is identical: the computer comes bundled with non-core software.

 

[PCMacUser]

Actually, it's the other way around. Microsoft has always been accused about killing competition by bundling non-core applications to Windows. Apple has done the right thing by separating non-core lifestyle applications from the operating system. This all makes everything more transparent, and it is really Microsoft who should follow Apple's practices.

Um, to tell you the truth, when I bought my Mac I had no indication that iLife was separate from the OS. It was preinstalled on my iBook, and also when I formatted the computer and reinstalled Tiger from the original discs, iLife was on the same discs as the OS! In terms of integration, it's about even between MS and Apple. IE on a PC integrates annoyingly too much sometimes, and likewise on my Apple, I hate having to open Safari's preferences to give Firefox 'permission' to be the default browser...

 

[matticus008]

So is it a good thing to bundle software or not? It's bad if it's bundled with the OS, but it's good if it's bundled with the computer? What if same company provided both the OS and the computer?

Actually, yes. If Microsoft made computers, it would be expected that they would include their own software on them. People who buy computers might not have any software, or perhaps they're adding a second computer and need all new licenses. If you're buying software, though, you've already got a computer and presumably some software, so the less bundling (software-software), the better.

So it really makes no difference that do they bundle their apps with the OS or the computer, since the end-result is identical: the computer comes bundled with non-core software.

The end result isn't identical, though. Software bundled with software together is not the same as a computer coming bundled with software.

If a computer comes bundled with software, you're being provided with everything you need to get started. If, on the other hand, you don't want a whole new computer, being able to pick and choose which software to add is a valuable option.

Getting iLife for free with a new computer isn't really problematic. Sure, some people still have their old version of iLife and maybe they'd prefer that, but since Apple price points are notoriously fixed, the computer wouldn't be any cheaper without the software. You can always sell the old version to avoid superfluous licenses.

Um, to tell you the truth, when I bought my Mac I had no indication that iLife was separate from the OS.

It's pretty clear from the description you read on Apple's site before buying, or from store displays, and even the box, as I recall. If you are in the market for OS upgrades later on, it also becomes quite clear that the upgrades are sold separately from each other.

I hate having to open Safari's preferences to give Firefox 'permission' to be the default browser...

Update Firefox--you haven't had to do that in quite a while.

 

[Cojack]

Just wait

I'm getting my macbook on May 1st. I just think I should wait two months after the leapord is released because not only does school return but if the
leapord did have a few bugs, it would be fixed by then. ( So Much for Santa Rosa )

 

[MacVault]

Keynote looks pretty good, but there's only one other app in the suite, Pages, and it is a total, featureless, piece of junk. QUOTE]


Ok, i've heard this comment alot about iwork and here is something to consider.... How old is iwork? The reason I say this is, being a programmer myself, products rarely are completely awesome in Version 1.0. Think about it... Office is a great product suite, but it has been around for at least 10 years probably closer to 15. (maybe even longer then that) As far as I know (please polietly correct me if i'm wrong) but iwork is what? 2, 3 years old? So how can it compete?

Give iwork some time! It will get better!

If that indeed is the case, then FINE! I have no problem with that. Just don't make it a "TOP SECRET FEATURE" of Leopard then!

 

[Roadstar]

Vista = Windows 6.0
XP = Windows 5.0 (5.1 = SP1; 5.2 = SP2)

A bit off-topic nitpicking, but with XP you're wrong. Windows 2000 was 5.0 and XP is 5.1 regardless of service packs. For the same reason it bothers me to no end to hear Windows folks complaining "oh you need to pay for service packs with OS X" without realizing that the version number did not change any more between 2000 and XP than it did between Panther and Tiger. And both of those upgrades required you to shell in some money.

 

[Evangelion]

Actually, yes. If Microsoft made computers, it would be expected that they would include their own software on them.

Of course, since the computer is supposed to be usable out of the box. But the point here is that is the software bundled with the OS or bundled with the computer. It seems to me that people are making up excuses so they could condemn Microsoft (who bundles software to the OS), while praising Apple (who bundles software with the computer).

Note: I have no problems with Apple bundling software to their computers. I do have problems with Microsoft bundling software to their OS. Reason being that Microsoft is a monopoly, Apple is not. But I really see no real difference between bundling software with the computer, as opposed to bundling it with the OS, as far as end-user is concerned.

The end result isn't identical, though. Software bundled with software together is not the same as a computer coming bundled with software.

For the user, it is. There really is no difference as far as the user is concerned. Whether the software comes bundled with the OS or it comes bundled with the computer, the end result is exactly the same. He buys a new computer, and there's software that is pre-installed on it. To the user, it's 100% irrelevant that did that extra software come with the OS or with the computer.

The lack of separation is so deep, that it can actually surprise the user. Some time ago I completely erased the HD on my Mini, and used it as a Linux-server for a while. Then I re-installed OS X, and was surprised when iLife was not there. That was the only time I noticed the difference between bundling with computer and bundling with OS.

If a computer comes bundled with software, you're being provided with everything you need to get started. If, on the other hand, you don't want a whole new computer, being able to pick and choose which software to add is a valuable option.

"Whole new computer", what do you mean? Self-built computers? Since Apple only sells "whole new computers", I fail to see the relevance here.