Mac OS X Leopard, iLife, and iWork Coming in June 2007?

[penguy]

What did you say the problems were?

There are some limitations if you want to use iPhoto as a pro app -- like how it's difficult to set up multiple libraries, lacks Photoshop-level photo editing -- but it's not a pro app. It is intuitive, stable and able to handle a very large photo library, and I couldn't be happier with it as a consumer app.

I use iPhoto as well, but my main gripe is the lack of a batch processing feature, or even the option to apply previous photos changes (similar to Adobe Lightroom). The more pics I take, I find that the same changes could apply to a series of pictures rather than just one...
Also, and some of this is due to the limitations of my Mini, but now that I am shooting RAW and have over 10,000 photos, iPhoto gets sluggish at times.

but you are correct...as a consumer app, it's great.

 

[SimonTheSoundMa]

ThinkSecret reports that Mac OS X 10.5 (Leopard) will ship in June 2007. This would bring it just within Apple's official "Spring 2007" release date.

Spring has passed in June and summer is in full swing for the northern hemisphere. I would say it has been delayed.

 

[johnee]

Spring has passed in June and summer is in full swing for the northern hemisphere. I would say it has been delayed.

What don't you people understand about the seasons?
in vermont, we still have snow on the ground. spring has not passed, and for us it really hasn't even started. now i'm pissing myself off

anyway, SPRING ENDS IN JUNE 21!

 

[k2k koos]

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Speaking of Leopard, iLife and iwork, what ever happened to Macs having a built-in basic art program? When did the Mac version of Microsoft's Paint disappear? Didn't old systems have a paint program?

Good point, I had forgotten about Macpaint etc

So what about it Apple, Could we please have a new paint program called iBrush ? Pencil,crayon,marker,airbrush,brush roller FX,loads of core animation and core image functions, all tightly integrated with the rest of the iLife suite to create living pictures, sketches, for starters

 

[k2k koos]

I use iPhoto as well, but my main gripe is the lack of a batch processing feature, or even the option to apply previous photos changes (similar to Adobe Lightroom). The more pics I take, I find that the same changes could apply to a series of pictures rather than just one...
Also, and some of this is due to the limitations of my Mini, but now that I am shooting RAW and have over 10,000 photos, iPhoto gets sluggish at times.

but you are correct...as a consumer app, it's great.

I haven't upgraded my iLife programs for a bit, but may do when Leopard comes out, what I want to know, is it possible to have my photo library on another drive, like I can do in iTunes? iPhoto version that I have, can't specify the location of the library, it all goes straight on the main harddrive...

 

[Telp]

If they are sold as a bundle, Apple will know that:

Everyone who buys iLife version A (where A is a variable = version number) has OS version A and vice versa (because they won't be sold separately).

Therefore, when developing iLife version A they don't have to worry about it running on versions of the OS prior to version A, because they know the customer has version A (because they've bought them together).

I think they will check that version A of the OS is capable of running versions of iLife prior to A, in case people want to run an older version of an iLife app...but the features of the new iLife version could be tied to and/or require the OS version that they were bundled with.

That still doesn't explain about the people that dont upgrade, do they get verson B?

 

[TheAnswer]

That still doesn't explain about the people that don't upgrade, do they get verson B?

Not unless they buy the new OS version B and iLife version B bundle.

Like I said, I think selling them only as a bundle where the iLife apps can fully leverage the new features of a new OS version makes sense for a lot of reasons (simplifying development, packaging, marketing, etc).

Of course only Apple has the numbers as to how many people skip OS versions but continue to upgrade the iLife suites (or vice versa)...if there are a significant number of people who are running older OS versions but current versions of iLife, then that would be a serious factor for Apple to consider.

 

[Clive At Five]

Thinksecret earlier speculated a March release. Now they say June. And we should believe them now, why?

ThinkSecret, believe it or not, often has reliable sources. I remeber a couple years ago they nailed a MWSF square on the head, weeks in advance.

To think that product timeframes don't change would be naive. Look at "Longhorn..." It got pushed back two years. At least ThinkSecret didn't initially say January like MANY other sources around the net. The don't tell people just what they want to hear like SOME... I'm talking about you AppleInsider (or should I say "Shaw Wu Insider"). Digitimes is just plain wrong. ThinkSecret is typically reliable when it comes to rumors, although slow to report on new news items, which causes people to give it a bad rap. I see so many "We knew this two days ago" posts in the comments it's not even funny.

Give TS a chance as a rumor site.

-Clive

 

[Telp]

Not unless they buy the new OS version B and iLife version B bundle.

Like I said, I think selling them only as a bundle where the iLife apps can fully leverage the new features of a new OS version makes sense for a lot of reasons (simplifying development, packaging, marketing, etc).

Of course only Apple has the numbers as to how many people skip OS versions but continue to upgrade the iLife suites (or vice versa)...if there are a significant number of people who are running older OS versions but current versions of iLife, then that would be a serious factor for Apple to consider.

Apple wouldnt sell multiple versions of the same operatine system like microsoft did with Vista. Its not how Apple works. But hey, you can think whatever you want to think.

 

[TheAnswer]

Apple wouldnt sell multiple versions of the same operatine system like microsoft did with Vista. Its not how Apple works. But hey, you can think whatever you want to think.

No...not multiple versions of the OS at the same time. One version...(version A = Leopard), then the next version (version B = Insert Cat Name Here) a year or two later.

I'm not suggesting complicating the product matrix, but simplifying it by no longer offering new versions of iLife (and possibly iWork too) except with the OS. You get a version of the OS and iLife with your Mac when you buy it, then you go to the store and pickup a new version of the OS and iLife in one package when they update it. Simple.

 

[matticus008]

i have never heard of June referred to as spring. [...] saying that June is spring would effectively be saying that December is fall, September (when parts of the country start getting snow) is summer, and March (where it's 90+ degrees here) is winter. i don't buy it.

News flash! The first ~3 weeks of December IS fall, and Winter extends into March. The seasons have nothing to do with the weather. How could they? Climate is different all over the world. Seasons aren't--just the popular "feeling" of the weather, which is undefined and varies from person to person. Consult a calendar, and you'll see the dates labeled.

You guys are thinking way to much about the definition of spring. They arent gunna make it some unknown definition of spring just to by themselves more time.

Exactly. Spring is March 19-22 to June 19-22. That's the only definition that exists. Everything else is nothing more than folksy intuition or local tradition.

However, there is no official definition for Spring. What you're referring to is the astronomical definition.

What the Straight Dope article fails to recognize is that seasons based on weather variations are inherently uneven across the world. This is why the IAU established an international, uniform definition based on the motion of the planet (which is indeed the cause of shifts in weather, but the effects are not direct or immediate). Thus, this is the only convention on seasons and is the only "officially recognized" international dating system. Also, as pointed out, there is no question on the convention in the US, where Apple is located.

For some reason, many Americans think the astronomical definition is somehow official, and also think other people on the Northern Hemisphere think so, too.

And for some reason, many people can't seem to accept that Apple is an American company, which will conform to American standards in product announcements and make reference to American beliefs. People here generally "think" summer hits in May, but that's because May to October are more or less identical in climate.

It should be obvious that Apple would not make an announcement based on anticipated weather conditions. It would make a calendar-based announcement. The astronomical definition is the ONLY calendared one.

 

[penguy]

I haven't upgraded my iLife programs for a bit, but may do when Leopard comes out, what I want to know, is it possible to have my photo library on another drive, like I can do in iTunes? iPhoto version that I have, can't specify the location of the library, it all goes straight on the main harddrive...

I upgraded to iPhoto 6 and it does allow you to use more than one library, or to locate the library on a different drive. It is not intuitive, but it does allow it. Someone here can probably provide the correct sequence, but I believe you hold either CTRL or the apple command while starting iPhoto and it will ask you what library to open.

I have over 35 gb of photos, so it was becoming impractical on an 80 gb internal on my Mini. I switched it over to a FW 250 gb and now I'm happy. I'll see if I can find the proper command.

 

[TheAnswer]

Spring is March 19-22 to June 19-22. That's the only definition that exists.

Not the only definition...they could push the date past the vernal equinox and still release it in spring...of course, they would have to either package it in these or release it from one of these.

 

[killr_b]

June and Spring do not exist at the same time. Ever. No matter which hemisphere you are on.

 

[k2k koos]

I upgraded to iPhoto 6 and it does allow you to use more than one library, or to locate the library on a different drive. It is not intuitive, but it does allow it. Someone here can probably provide the correct sequence, but I believe you hold either CTRL or the apple command while starting iPhoto and it will ask you what library to open.

I have over 35 gb of photos, so it was becoming impractical on an 80 gb internal on my Mini. I switched it over to a FW 250 gb and now I'm happy. I'll see if I can find the proper command.

Thanks , that's good to know. I still have iLife '05, suited me fine, but I would like to transfer my photo's to an external drive too. No where near as much as you, but I don't want to copy all when I do get such a library, besides, on an external drive, you can hook it up to several different Macs, or even have it available on a network perhaps (via a new airport extreme), has anyone done this? By the way, why doesn't that base station support airtunes, like the express does, would make so much sense....I know, we have the TV now, but still......

 

[matticus008]

Not the only definition...they could push the date past the vernal equinox and still release it in spring...of course, they would have to either package it in these or release it from one of these.

Touché.

June and Spring do not exist at the same time. Ever. No matter which hemisphere you are on.

Check your calendar, buddy. You seem to be confused.

 

[SiliconAddict]

All I know is if Apple can get their networking to not umm how to phrase this...suck like a black hole eating a galaxy...I would quit my job, and camp out in front of an Apple store three weeks before launch to be the first to get it. OS X and using network shares is driving me fracking nuts. It is easily the biggest cause of hard freeze ups in OS X. As an example. Woke my laptop up 2 days ago, noticed I was still connected to my Win XP desktop and hit the little eject button. But I hit it before the system had re established its connection to my WIFI network and started beachballing. Let it sit there for 5 minutes nothing. The UI was totally nonresponsive and - ALT - ESC didn't do jack. So there I sat with a frozen laptop. Let it sit for another 10. Nothing. Seriously Apple. Get your **** together with Finder. Its a damn joke. A dang network share should NOT freeze your GUI.

 

[Porchland]

Seriously Apple. Get your **** together with Finder. Its a damn joke. A dang network share should NOT freeze your GUI.

Somebody's got a case of the Mondays.

 

[iJawn108]

Ugghhh..."iLife Leopard" and "iWork Leopard"? Someone help them choose better names!

I'm impatiently waiting to find out what the new features are!

iLife Leap and iWork Leap

 

[EagerDragon]

I think iLife will become a part of Leopard itself, and stop being sold as a seperate product.

Microsoft Windows Vista include many programs that rival iLife products, so Apple has to repond accordinally.

Oded S.

Charge $20 more for OSX with iLife and iWorks build in. Maybe they are being integrated and that is why, we have not seen them yet. They are part of Leopard.

 

[dejo]

Ugghhh..."iLife Leopard" and "iWork Leopard"? Someone help them choose better names!

iLife Sucks and iWork 4TheMoney?

 

[chrisflew]

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[EricNau]

All I know is if Apple can get their networking to not umm how to phrase this...suck like a black hole eating a galaxy...I would quit my job, and camp out in front of an Apple store three weeks before launch to be the first to get it. OS X and using network shares is driving me fracking nuts. It is easily the biggest cause of hard freeze ups in OS X. As an example. Woke my laptop up 2 days ago, noticed I was still connected to my Win XP desktop and hit the little eject button. But I hit it before the system had re established its connection to my WIFI network and started beachballing. Let it sit there for 5 minutes nothing. The UI was totally nonresponsive and - ALT - ESC didn't do jack. So there I sat with a frozen laptop. Let it sit for another 10. Nothing. Seriously Apple. Get your **** together with Finder. Its a damn joke. A dang network share should NOT freeze your GUI.

I agree. Apple really needs to work on their networking.

I've experienced your same problem, as well as another. I can't open 'Network' in finder. If I go to the Go menu and select "Network," nothing happens. If I click on the "Network" icon in Finder, nothing happens. The only method that sometimes works is selecting "Network" from the sidebar.

Keep in mind, this is an entirely Mac network (all running Tiger), with a wireless Apple BS, and this problem occurs on more than one computer.

No excuses Apple.

 

[pavelbure]

what kind of world is this where people can't even look on a calender and see that summer starts on june 20th or 21st.

ps, i'm too lazy to look and see if it is 20 or 21.

 

[bankshot]

I need a new machine sooner than later and I don't think I can wait until June. Do I have to wait until 30 days within release? Thoughts?

In the past, you've always had to buy your Mac after the new OS X released date was announced. Don't listen to the people who say 30 days -- that's a common myth, and it's wrong (based on all past history). Typically there's been about 2 weeks in between announce date and release date. If you buy during that window, you should be able to get Leopard for a nominal fee like $20. If you buy after that window, either your Mac will have Leopard preinstalled, or (if it's very soon after) they'll drop Leopard install discs into the package.

Of course, Apple could change everything, but they've been pretty consistent on this so far.