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No overhead? Wrong. So very wrong. Removing it is the first step towards not having to support it ("support" including coding security and bug fixes). Support is a whole lotta overhead. No offense, but you're clearly out of your subject area here.

You're just changing the subject; this is about people incorrectly thinking that Rosetta somehow slows their computer down or something. I suspect this is mostly about licensing fees, since Rosetta wasn't developed by Apple.

--Eric
 
Awesome. I can't wait to be forced into buying a new copy of Photoshop. And no, creating a separate partition is not an option.

Seems like Adobe dropped the ball or should I say knew well ahead that it CS software should have been UB or Cocoa complaint. Not :apple: problem, its Adobe problem for not giving the customer software that will be useful for another 3-5 years. Then again they are in the business of sucking your wallet for an annual CS release and you are foolish enough to purchase or upgrade annually.

If the customers did not upgrade due to support or features lacking the developer would get the idea and provide something the customer will purchase. Its Adobe gain and a loss for its customers. Protest to Adobe not to Apple, since :apple: was the one who wanted a UB or Cocoa version of PhotoShop for years.
 
You're just changing the subject; this is about people incorrectly thinking that Rosetta somehow slows their computer down or something. I suspect this is mostly about licensing fees, since Rosetta wasn't developed by Apple.

--Eric

I'm not changing the subject. You used the word "overhead", and I was pointing out that there is definitely "overhead" for continuing to offer legacy compatibility technologies. If you specifically meant "overhead" in terms of things that affect the running of a user's machine, well, you should have said it. :) The general discussion was about Apple's responsibility to support older hardware, so everything gets read in that context.
 
My MBA boots in 10s.

Snow Leopard occupy 5GB.

Of course you MBA boots in 10 seconds. you have a solid state hard drive.
Unfortunatly for anyone using a traditional hard drive and doesn't have 200+ $ for a SSD, its kind of a pain to use a dual OS system.
 
Rosetta and legacy apps

To everyone who is complaining that Apple dropping Rossetta will make it impossible to run their legacy production software:

Are you insane!? Do you even remotely think about upgrading to a new OS when the super important software you are using isn't being developed anymore? This is not about Rossetta, but lack of support from the software company. There are hundreds of ways that your driver or whatever can break when upgrading to Lion, that's the very definition of major releases.
 
PowerPC (Rosetta) emulation is no longer offered. That means if you have any PowerPC applications they won't be able to run in Mac OS X Lion. You can determine if you are still running PowerPC applications by going into Applications -> Utilities -> System Profiler -> Applications and viewing "By Kind". This will show you which applications you have that are running under PowerPC.

I checked, and I don't see any power pc apps, but I did see several power pc items that are converters, sample scripts or extensions for some CS5 apps and MS Office apps.
Does this mean that the CS5 and Office software will not work or be unstable?
These are major software programs that many people use, so it might make upgrading to Lion a non-starter for a lot of people.
 
I have a 120GB SSD on my MBP, custom not BTO from :apple:. Guess what SL with the bare minimum only takes less than 10 GB on that SSD. Lion I am hope will be under 10GB for a standard install. Nonetheless I use it as my boot drive with essential applications. I can get a 500GB+ HDD for cheaper and your point is rendered moot.

Booting on the SSD takes less than 20 seconds, its far cheaper than buying another Mac to only run SL. As mentioned earlier you are not forced to upgrade to Lion.

Lucky you for having a solid state drive. amazingly enough being a teenager i don't have 200+$ for a solid state drive.

thank god i don't have to upgrade. because then i would have to get a new laptop.
 
Of course you MBA boots in 10 seconds. you have a solid state hard drive.
Unfortunatly for anyone using a traditional hard drive and doesn't have 200+ $ for a SSD, its kind of a pain to use a dual OS system.

With an SSD in your laptop, it will breath new life into it. Instead of picking up a new laptop every 1-3 years, consider upgrading to an SSD on your present laptop and bank the savings. I did just this and have no regrets. If you have a lot of media files, its time for a 1TB external.

My next upgrade is on my white iMac from 2007-2008, however waiting on a 240GB SSD option to hit the right price range before I commit.

Once you go SSD, your can't go back to HDD. ;):p:D
 
With an SSD in your laptop, it will breath new life into it. Instead of picking up a new laptop every 1-3 years, consider upgrading to an SSD on your present laptop and bank the savings. I did just this and have no regrets. If you have a lot of media files, its time for a 1TB external.

My next upgrade is on my white iMac from 2007-2008, however waiting on a 240GB SSD option to hit the right price range before I commit.

Once you go SSD, your can't go back to HDD. ;):p:D

I know SSD is better. someday i'm going to buy one. right now, and probably for another year and a half, i cant afford a SSD.
Its kind of dumb though, because I only bought my MB Pro 6 months ago, its a bit retarded to buy an new SSD HDD for it,

and I have no plans to get a computer every 1-3 years.
Thinking green here.
 
Lucky you for having a solid state drive. amazingly enough being a teenager i don't have 200+$ for a solid state drive.

thank god i don't have to upgrade. because then i would have to get a new laptop.

$20 a week or even a month and within a year you should have enough for a minimum 120GB SSD if not more considering the price drops of SSD. Sounds like more excuses, for :apple: to support lazy 3rd party developers. :D
 
Wrong, Classic emulates OS 9, which is a PPC-only OS.

OS 9 did include a 68K emulator though. Too bad they didn't update Classic to run on Intel Macs, then you could have run 68K apps being emulated by PPC code being emulated by x86 code. ;) (Though you can still do this by using Sheepshaver.)

--Eric
 
I know SSD is better. someday i'm going to buy one. right now, and probably for another year and a half, i cant afford a SSD.
Its kind of dumb though, because I only bought my MB Pro 6 months ago, its a bit retarded to buy an new SSD HDD for it,

and I have no plans to get a computer every 1-3 years.
Thinking green here.

Green as in $$$? ;)
 
Of course you MBA boots in 10 seconds. you have a solid state hard drive.
Unfortunatly for anyone using a traditional hard drive and doesn't have 200+ $ for a SSD, its kind of a pain to use a dual OS system.

But that is the whole point. All the Macs up to date are still running Snow Leopard, there is no need to change to Lion unless you will buy a new Mac after this summer.

I know people having Macs running Tiger - this includes my father which got an Mac Mini from me last year. Loads of people still use G4, my uni uses windows XP and so my mother with an 10 years old PC that makes more heat than my blowdrier.

I don't really see the need for a person to jump on a new OS if still good with an old one. At least this is my point of view and I don't see where is the problem on having old hardware running old OSes.
 
Riiiiiight. And HP, as the manufacturer of the scanner, has zero responsibility to update drivers to keep up with current systems. Who's being greedy here Apple for wanting to use its limited human resources to improve the current system rather than to support legacy software and drivers or HP for effectively forcing you to buy another scanner b/c they don't update their own drivers?

HP's Mac support is abysmal. If you have a gripe they are the ones to contact here....


Well said - my HP inkjet is soon headed to the recycle bin due to poor printing drivers - slooooooooooow. It is about 4 years old - prints well - but no joy going forward.
 
Seems like Adobe dropped the ball or should I say knew well ahead that it CS software should have been UB or Cocoa complaint. Not :apple: problem, its Adobe problem for not giving the customer software that will be useful for another 3-5 years.

Well said, since all of Apple's software is Cocoa-compliant.
</sarcasm>

Some major parts of Apple's software library are still 32-bit Carbon. Fail for Apple.
 
Photoshop 1.0 is obsolete. Native camera software is not.

I transfer all my camera files to my Mac via iPhone ($$$) or ImageReady (free) then edit via PhotoShop. No problems at all. So I do not see what the problem is, unless you are being stubborn to adapt. In that case it sound like a personal problem. God luck with that. :D
 
There was actually quite a bit of overhead to Rosetta. Every single system library and framework had to be installed with a PowerPC version to make it work.

That said, still way too early for it to be pulled.
 
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