Mac OS X Lion: Drops PowerPC Emulation, Adds QuickTime Pro Features, Much More

[cube]

I transfer all my camera files to my Mac via iPhone ($$$) or ImageReady (free) then edit via PhotoShop. No problems at all. So I do not see what the problem is, unless you are being stubborn to adapt. In that case it sound like a personal problem. God luck with that.

RAW formats are proprietary. No third party can replicate the results of native software.

 

[koobcamuk]

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So all apps will be able to save and restore state. So if the os quits an app, and you click on the icon, it will restore it. So open and closed has less meaning.

I presume apps with achieve background tasks aren't closed.

Do you like this implementation?

 

[!¡ V ¡!]

Well said, since all of Apple's software is Cocoa-compliant.
</sarcasm>

Some major parts of Apple's software library are still 32-bit Carbon. Fail for Apple.

Considering develops the OS, its they ball game if they want to update they own software to be complaint. Cocoa maybe not, UB certainly.

 

[Stiksi]

cube meet iWork.

Lion does not support PhotoShop 1.0, I am not going to downgrade either.

Photoshop CS5 is not fully out of the PPC era either. Some of the services run on Rosetta.

Probably you can buy CS6 if sell your original copy of PS 1.0

 

[Rodimus Prime]

screw over Adobe like they did last time. Reason Adobe did not go UB

Don't bitch to Apple, bitch to the lazy companies who didn't do proper development.

Seems like Adobe dropped the ball or should I say knew well ahead that it CS software should have been UB or Cocoa complaint. Not problem, its Adobe problem for not giving the customer software that will be useful for another 3-5 years. Then again they are in the business of sucking your wallet for an annual CS release and you are foolish enough to purchase or upgrade annually.

If the customers did not upgrade due to support or features lacking the developer would get the idea and provide something the customer will purchase. Its Adobe gain and a loss for its customers. Protest to Adobe not to Apple, since was the one who wanted a UB or Cocoa version of PhotoShop for years.

Not really a good argument. Abobe would not of really had time to go UB from the change from PPC to x86. That takes time to do. Apple screwed over a lot of people with the jump to x86 and then promising 64 bit carbon then last minute changing saying NOPE.

I would not be surpised in the near future apple will yank carbon support and yank 32 bit support. This is why Apple is a joke in the IT world and not respected in industry. Custom software is expensive to write so it is avoided trying to do. Also you do not screw with things that work. Mistakes are made in changing it over.

I love how fanboys jump to say way to go Apple but really have no understanding of why this is a bad idea. It is not hard for Apple to support Rossetta and it is not a major change in terms of the OS like OS9 to OSX. This is emulating an older processor. Something that is fairly easy to support.

It something that should do until all older software is truly not used. We have multiple people this screws over. Hell a lot of older software still in use by a lot of people is no longer in development so guess what there is a problem. You need that older software to read the older file types.

 

[Hurda]

To

Never heard of legacy software then?

I'm sorry, but this is just beyond stupid for Apple to do this. My old games and programs won't work on their new OS, and yet the very same games and programs will work perfectly on Windows 7?

Forget it Apple.

and all the others:
Nobody forces you to upgrade.
If you want Lion's new features, adapt.
Boom, it's that easy.

 

[Mr. Retrofire]

I heard a rumor:
The GM of Lion allows you to download a VM with Leopard 10.5.8. The VM should work like the XP-mode (download) under Windows 7.

This replaces Rosetta.

;-)

 

[tigress666]

I don't think I'll use full screen too much, I like multi-tasking too much.

I like the address book.

I wish the videos of the finder I've seen would actually at least show a quick view of the other mods (I basically want to see if column mode is still available. That alone might make me stay with the old OS unless something like Pathfinder will still keep that functionality if I add it as I don't really need to update and I really like column mode, I hate all the other ways of perusing your files).

I would have to use the calendar before I'd put an opinion on it. I really hope they improved it (it was decent at one time, not great, and then they changed it and made it ridiculous to try to add an event. When you added an event you had to go through two more steps to actually enter any information to the event.. I don't know who the hell thought I wouldn't want to enter what the event was or what time it was when I added an event! It should automatically put you in edit event mode when you add one. Not make you do at least two more clicks to get into editing it!!!!).

Anyways, I probably won't upgrade unless I see some major reason to. I have no qualms with Snow Leopard. But it will actively make me want to hold onto snow leopard as long as possible if the interface looks too annoying (reverse scrolling which is fine for iphone/ipad since it is intuitive on that but not on a computer, removing the column mode, and just in general if I used it and really didn't like how it felt).

 

[roadbloc]

Nobody forces you to upgrade.

Forget it Apple.

I think that means I won't be upgrading, don't you?

 

[GQB]

No Rosetta? Great. This means I can throw away a perfectly fine HP Scanner, in fact the best scanner I've ever had, which software relies on Rosetta. Very green of you, Apple.

And HP's failure to update their drivers is Apple's fault.... how?

 

[Stiksi]

Do you like this implementation?

There was actually quite a bit of overhead to Rosetta. Every single system library and framework had to be installed with a PowerPC version to make it work.

That said, still way too early for it to be pulled.

Exactly, it's too early. Whoever is at fault for not updating software, at the end of the day, doesn't matter. The fact is that Apple needs to acknowledge that there is a significant legacy software base still in use. They're not doing that because this is part of planned obsolescence. They could support Rosetta but they won't. It's a strong-arm tactic when there is no need for one.

In recent years I think everyone except Apple have scaled back operations and that includes migrating old software onto new platforms like UB, Apple is simply not giving anyone a break here. I wish all developers would instantly code new versions of software for all new platforms but that's simply not going to happen and the transition period is very short in this instance. Apple is behaving like Mac OS is the primary target for developers when it isn't even close. There are ideal situations and realities and Apple is really looking at the world through rosy glasses right now.

But in two to three years when enough of my critical gear breaks down and can't be repaired, I'll switch to whatever is the most cost-effective system at the time. I'm still a Mac fan so I hope Apple chooses wisely.

 

[haravikk]

Can anyone elaborate on what dropping PowerPC support means? Are they simply no longer bundling Rosetta with Lion, or will Rosetta cease to function entirely? I'd still like to be able to run PowerPC apps when I have to without doing anything complicated, but I also like to grab the latest OS when I can.

 

[commander.data]

No more Starcraft? Diablo II? I don't see Blizzard being too motivated to finally go back and make a Universal Binary now that the focus is on Starcraft 2 and Diablo III.

 

[tigress666]

And HP's failure to update their drivers is Apple's fault.... how?

I don't know about on Mac cause I think Apple provided their own driver's for HP printers?

But I know my roommate will not buy another HP printer because their drivers on his PC are so crap it's created all sorts of issues on his computer (I never have this issue but I never installed HP's drivers, the drivers for any printer I need seem to be already installed. I unfortunately don't know how that works on a mac, I just know I plug it into a printer and it seems to already know what it is (Done so with several different ones).

 

[wickedking94]

$20 a week or even a month and within a year you should have enough for a minimum 120GB SSD if not more considering the price drops of SSD. Sounds like more excuses, for to support lazy 3rd party developers.

Amazingly enough, I DONT GET MONEY. I wont be getting money for at least a year and a half, so a SSD is not an option.

 

[wickedking94]

Green as in $$$?

Green as in environment and $$$. gotta think of both.

 

[iWonderwhy]

Liking the polish. Some of these things seem a bit unnecessary (changing the folder view buttons to a slider?), and some a bit...un-Apple? (fullscreen Safari is wasteful, for example)...and yet I rather like the latter.

Really dislike the new address book. It's like Apple threw all UI standards out of the window. I'm okay with software that tries to appear like a real life object (such as a book) on a touch screen device, but it's bad for user interoperability on a keyboard-and-mouse PC where you should be able to tell how to do everything at-a-glance based on the consistent UI of most applications of the operating system.

Then don't open Safari in full screen..

 

[paulypants]

There was actually quite a bit of overhead to Rosetta. Every single system library and framework had to be installed with a PowerPC version to make it work.

That said, still way too early for it to be pulled.

Yes, it does bloat the system by a good deal, and no, I don't think it's too early at all. If you are still using legacy apps, then stick with a system that can run them. I never understood why people who won't dish out money for new apps want to do it for a new system.

 

[Jenko]

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Would I need to buy a new wireless printer if I moved to Lion fro
SL? I have a mid 2010 15" i7 arrandale 500 gb 7200 hdd.
My printer is an HP Photosmart wireless all in one scanner, printer, photocopier and fax, model. I believe they only fixed the wireless connectivity issue two months ago. So I am a bit concerned that if I upgrade to lion it won't work again!
B110a

 

[pedrocasilva]

If only Freehand MX had had a last, final Intel MacOS version before Adobe pulled the plug it would still work through and through. Darn them, because of Adobe monopolistic stubborness I won't be able to upgrade to Lion now

Rosetta should be kept optional, without support or made open source. As is I hope anyone steps up and does a similar program that lets the app to keep running.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Yes, it does bloat the system by a good deal, and no, I don't think it's too early at all. If you are still using legacy apps, then stick with a system that can run them. I never understood why people who won't dish out money for new apps want to do it for a new system.

so make it an optional install. It only bloats the space it eats up on the hard drive. It does not bloat any thing in system overhead in running exact for when it is needed.
Also HD space is cheap now days so the little extra bloat added in terms of hard drive space is very minimal.

You also forget Apple more or less forces people to update by blocking off newer software unless you are on the newest OS from them.
MS supported 16 bit CPU until the 64 bit OS came around. It did not really add much bloat to their systems running 16 bit programs.

 

[Stiksi]

Yes, it does bloat the system by a good deal, and no, I don't think it's too early at all. If you are still using legacy apps, then stick with a system that can run them. I never understood why people who won't dish out money for new apps want to do it for a new system.

You're missing the point. There are no new apps to buy in the cases we're complaining about. If your apps are all Intel, good for you! It might not be a problem to you but it is a problem to many others.

But I have to say I don't see a big difference between 10.5 and 10.6. How many apps use OpenCL again? Most likely I won't have any incentive to upgrade to 10.7 either if Apple doesn't make it mandatory on new machines like it has done in the past (no support for new hardware on older OSes). Anyway, I just ordered a copy of SL so I'm future proofed even if my printers aren't.

 

[lars666]

That's MP3Gain I can kiss goodbye to.

That's also a very important program for me as I know of no alternative (iVolume isn't for me ...). However, when I click "show package content" on MacMP3Gain and "info" on the aacgain file, it says "Executable Unix-File (Intel)" (translated from German, could be a bit different in English). Does that mean that I somehow have - contrary to the last info on http://homepage.mac.com/beryrinaldo/AudioTron/MacMP3Gain/ - a full Intel version of MP3Gain which will still work on Lion? Would be an important info to me ...

 

[gnasher729]

There was actually quite a bit of overhead to Rosetta. Every single system library and framework had to be installed with a PowerPC version to make it work.

Nonsense. Rosetta translates the application from PowerPC code to x86 code. The x86 code then calls the x86 framework. There is no need for any PowerPC code other than the application itself to exist on the computer.

Yes, it does bloat the system by a good deal, and no, I don't think it's too early at all. If you are still using legacy apps, then stick with a system that can run them. I never understood why people who won't dish out money for new apps want to do it for a new system.

If you haven't understood this then you haven't thought much about it. There are apps that cannot be replaced for any money because there is no new app. There is Office 2004 which people don't want to replace because it is the least bloated version of Office that works on current Macs. And a replacement wouldn't be cheap; replacing it would more than triple the cost of upgrading to Lion.

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and all the others:
Nobody forces you to upgrade.
If you want Lion's new features, adapt.
Boom, it's that easy.

And to you: Development of software that took advantage of Snow Leopard features was significantly delayed (and sometimes hasn't happened yet) because many computers couldn't upgrade to Snow Leopard. If a significant number of my customers cannot upgrade to Lion, then the software that I write will not be updated. Simple as that. Leopard will be Apple's Windows XP.

 

[manu chao]

Exactly, it's too early. Whoever is at fault for not updating software, at the end of the day, doesn't matter. The fact is that Apple needs to acknowledge that there is a significant legacy software base still in use. They're not doing that because this is part of planned obsolescence. They could support Rosetta but they won't. It's a strong-arm tactic when there is no need for one.

And Apple has behaved like this for the last ten years, so what else is new? And nobody is stopping you from keeping to use SL forever (at least as long as you can still find spare parts for the hardware it is running on).