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Mac OS X Lion Set for July Debut Priced at $29.99, Mac App Store Exclusive
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Apple is doing it for a specific reason...bc majority of people it will work....remember it IS 2011Good for you and her! My GF and I both have our own MacBooks and iPhones.
My GF has lived with me for the last 6 years. Which makes it quite legal under the Family Pack license.
It's 2011 man, not 1945!
Look, you're just arguing to limit options based on the fact that for you, it's fine. Try to see how what works for you might not for others and stop trying to tell us it's "fine" for us too. You're just creating ill will towards yourself. Just like iBug2 is doing.
So if i lived out in the middle of nowhere and didn't have an internet connection or FedEx couldn't deliver to me, apple better come up with a solution to get it installed on my machine? Why should they cater to me bc i'm living like it's 1945 as you say.
This is plain out wrong. You only need Snow Leopard to download Lion, not to install it. Lion installs on empty partitions just as SL does.
Very bad trolling attempt.
Actually, you are just as incorrect.
In order to get Lion, you'd need the App Store. In order to get the App Store, you'd need 10.6.6 or greater INSTALLED. Therefore, you need Snow Leopard INSTALLED. It would make no sense to buy Snow Leopard to upgrade with, download Lion, then blow away Snow Leopard to install clean. That's a very clunky process in any case.
Base Snow Leopard I believe is 10.6.3. You'd need to upgrade the OS to 10.6.6 minimum to get the App Store. That requires internet access, which some may not readily have.
I think the point people are making is that forcing a download of a major OS revision AND restricting access to said OS revision to only those customers running a certain version seems odd. Physical media seems a no-brainer when dealing with a new(er) OS. Additionally, I doubt people would balk if Apple then went a step further, offering Snow Leopard + Lion together for $50 for those customers still running Leopard but want to get current fast. The Tiger and previous version crowds would be SOL, yes...but I submit that if one is still running Tiger, they really don't have an intention to upgrade any time soon.
now we are going from people with slow internet connections to no internet connections at all? how the heck will they even know Lion is out if they are living in the dark ages without internet?
come on people.
So whenever cousin Steve gets married and hands everyone DVDs of it, you're screwed.
A friend comes over after a trip and wants to show you all he's seen and done and it's all here on this DVD, you're screwed.
Unless you've got a DVD drive for your Air, good luck trying to install Photoshop, Final Cut, games that aren't on Steam, or anything that comes in a box in a store that isn't online.
Physical media isn't going anywhere soon as long as people live without stable internet connections and countries like India, China, and Brazil exist.
Agree with KnightWRX. Apple should not force a family ( regardless of how it is composed ) to share an ID. My wife and I each have separate Macs and other devices with separate IDs. Even sharing an ID we would be forced to download Lion twice ( 2 x 4GB = 8GB download ) and not have a boot media for emergencies.. Going to an Apple Store might work for a laptop but not my 27 inch iMac.
My point is: if Apple fails to provide a media ( or burn to media option ) option, their service regresses(compared to what is available today for Snow Leopard ) and makes it very inconvenient ( or impossible for those who can't download )
they aren't forcing you to do anything. you can gladly have your separate id's for each machine.
I've had an Air for quite some time and haven't missed the DVD drive. ...but if you have a cousin Steve that insists on burning stuff to removable media, you can purchase a USB DVD drive for around $20. Furthermore, you might want to edumicate cousin Steve that he can do his family and our environment a favor by investing in a sub-$10 thumb drive.
I can tell you there are some installations with Macs that are NOT connected to the internet( for security reasons ) even though the installation has internet access. How will they install Lion?
Please elaborate-
I have a MobileMe family pack. 5 Macs, 5 emails, yet for the AppStore to work in SL it requires the master log in and password. So unless I am willing to pass that out or go to my parents whenever they need to install it just doesn't work.
The family pack of SL did solve the problem. When I was home all Macs werein the same house and I could legally use my family pack and install.
Thi seems to meet the needs of most, but does seem to screw the most loyal or heavy users. I hope they clarify in the future how this will work.
Also, I am leery of not having a bootable DVD for diagnostics, etc. Especially if malware now is on the wild.
If there is not a physical alternative or the ability to make a physical bootable separate disc, then that is in my mind a fundamental flaw. I've happily had a MacBook and an iMac for 5 and 3 years respectively. BOTH of them have had the HDD fail catastrophically, requiring HDD replacement. Because I had the DVD, in both cases I was able to install the new HDD, and restore the backup from Time Capsule/Time Machine over my home network. It's not uncommon for HDDs to fail completely for no apparent reason. How are you supposed to be able to do the same with Lion if there is no physical USB stick or DVD (or the ability to make one when installing)? It's all very well pointing to the Apple site where it talks of a separate recovery partition, but if the HDD has failed, that partition is useless
Now, you can argue that the iMac I should've taken to the nearest Apple store (some 70 miles and 90 minutes drive away), but the MacBook and MacBook Pro (even the latest 2011 versions) are designed to allow a user to replace/upgrade the HDD. For them to do this, a user should not have to install Snow Leopard, upgrade to get the App Store, and then download Lion.
As for those who are saying "Well, live with it, download is the only way to go", you seriously need to consider that whilst it may be nice for you, there's a lot of folk for whom it'd be near prohibitive to try and download a 4Gb download for any of a number of reasons (Download caps from ISPs, speed of connection, number of different Macs, etc). You may be thinking "I'm Alright, Jack", but if Apple don't look at the situation as we've heard here from many different places (Canada, Australia, NZ, UK, France, etc.) then they are in danger of a major PR disaster that would make MobileMe look like a storm in a teacup.
Now, you can argue that the iMac I should've taken to the nearest Apple store (some 70 miles and 90 minutes drive away), but the MacBook and MacBook Pro (even the latest 2011 versions) are designed to allow a user to replace/upgrade the HDD. For them to do this, a user should not have to install Snow Leopard, upgrade to get the App Store, and then download Lion.
As for those who are saying "Well, live with it, download is the only way to go", you seriously need to consider that whilst it may be nice for you, there's a lot of folk for whom it'd be near prohibitive to try and download a 4Gb download for any of a number of reasons (Download caps from ISPs, speed of connection, number of different Macs, etc). You may be thinking "I'm Alright, Jack", but if Apple don't look at the situation as we've heard here from many different places (Canada, Australia, NZ, UK, France, etc.) then they are in danger of a major PR disaster that would make MobileMe look like a storm in a teacup.
I second that. I have a family member who works in a sensitive research area and there is no internet due to file security. The USB ports are glued shut. They use iMacs and have special cases to prevent the theft of the machineor access to the ports and drives except for the custom DVD Rom drive.
I know this is very rare, but I would liek to think Apple who thinks different would help those that do really think different.
chances are my cousin steve would come over with his pics already loaded on his iPad and we wouldn't have to get out our laptop, plug it into our tv etc. we'd turn on appletv2 and stream the pics to it.
i see your point....but the way it's going everything is moving to download only. The Mac APP store is around for a reason just like iTunes etc.
What you people don't seem to understand is that even with slow internet, downloading is faster than having it shipped to you by mail on DVD, in most cases. I'd say that's probably even true with dial-up. I've downloaded a multi-gigabyte file via dial-up in the past, and it took maybe two days, but definitely less time than waiting for the disk in the mail. Also, can't you just send the 4GB file to all your Macs? I could be wrong, but that single icon in the dock that they showed in reference to the installer is probably a single installation program that you can just open on all authorized macs... Not average-user friendly though. Perhaps they'll come up with a solution based around that idea.
so what you going to do if someone has a security breach and downloads a virus via the dvd drive and they remove those as well. you want apple to cater to the people with 0 usb ports, 0 internet connection, and now 0 dvd drive?
Come on get real
LOL
unbelievable!
Office 2011 - don't bother
As someone who has already emptied his wallet paying for multiple copies of Orifice 2011, the expensive edition including Outlook 2011, I would not bother unless you have to have macros. Apart from the appearance, Word, Excel and Powerpoint are little different and Outlook is a mess. It is a little more stable than Entourage but if the identity corrupts, it can a nightmare to get it to rebuild as the rebuild system often does not work.
You have to make a new user running in safe mode, start Outlook for the new user, shut Outlook down, copy across your old identity, shut Outlook down, rebuild the identity, start Outlook again then shut down, switch to your original user, wipe all Office identities, Office plist files, caches, etc and then start Outlook again. Shut it down and then drag your original identity from the new user to your original user. Finally re-start in normal mode - quite ridiculous!
In addition, although they have now finally added a resend menu item, they have not given the option of a button. The signature button does not work, adding the option signature to the default, rather than replacing. It looks as if the promised stationery is never going to arrive, Synching is a mess as the field headers are different from Address Book and Mobile Me, so information is lost both ways. And so on and so on.........
As someone who has already emptied his wallet paying for multiple copies of Orifice 2011, the expensive edition including Outlook 2011, I would not bother unless you have to have macros. Apart from the appearance, Word, Excel and Powerpoint are little different and Outlook is a mess. It is a little more stable than Entourage but if the identity corrupts, it can a nightmare to get it to rebuild as the rebuild system often does not work.
You have to make a new user running in safe mode, start Outlook for the new user, shut Outlook down, copy across your old identity, shut Outlook down, rebuild the identity, start Outlook again then shut down, switch to your original user, wipe all Office identities, Office plist files, caches, etc and then start Outlook again. Shut it down and then drag your original identity from the new user to your original user. Finally re-start in normal mode - quite ridiculous!
In addition, although they have now finally added a resend menu item, they have not given the option of a button. The signature button does not work, adding the option signature to the default, rather than replacing. It looks as if the promised stationery is never going to arrive, Synching is a mess as the field headers are different from Address Book and Mobile Me, so information is lost both ways. And so on and so on.........
I hope that is true. I am wondering if Lion will check to see if my Apple account is active on my other two computer once I log out of my account. I guess if I didn't deauthorize those computer it would be fine. But, if I ever wanted to see that computer, I guess I would have to put Snow Leopard back in, which I don't like.
NO, just have a physical media option at an additional cost. It is not really catering. They charge more and deliver more. Simple capitalistic transaction.
and how are u going to to get it on the computer if it has usb ports glued shut and no dvd drive and no internet connection to activate it?
"They use iMacs and have special cases to prevent the theft of the machineor access to the ports and drives except for the custom DVD Rom drive."
Here is a shocking suggestion - I would pay extra for a DVD/Stick
A shocking suggestion I know but I would be willing to pay a modest amount extra for a DVD or even better a USB stick. On the wholesale market in large order quantities, 4GB sticks are available for around £3/$5. I would therefore be quite happy to pay £5 or $8 extra to have an install copy on a stick. It would not be an issue for me to have to activate it via iTunes, although this might be a sticking point for others. It would also be more satisfactory than a restore partition for an HD repair, running a full defrag/compact etc.
A shocking suggestion I know but I would be willing to pay a modest amount extra for a DVD or even better a USB stick. On the wholesale market in large order quantities, 4GB sticks are available for around £3/$5. I would therefore be quite happy to pay £5 or $8 extra to have an install copy on a stick. It would not be an issue for me to have to activate it via iTunes, although this might be a sticking point for others. It would also be more satisfactory than a restore partition for an HD repair, running a full defrag/compact etc.
What about us people that don't want to give our credit or debit cards out online?
I need a DVD.
I need a DVD.
my previous comment.....
"so what you going to do if someone has a security breach and downloads a virus via the dvd drive and they remove those as well. you want apple to cater to the people with 0 usb ports, 0 internet connection, and now 0 dvd drive?"
How will you activate it and do updates if it "requires" an internet connection?