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KnightWRX said:
That's a problem with Apple's shoddy coding in iTunes, not with Windows. Winamp worked perfectly on my Pentium 100 mhz back in the Windows 95 days to listen to mp3s while working in other applications. :rolleyes:

Not that you care, no one was even discussing Windows, you're just baiting for answers. I should just move you to my ignore list, like everyone should do.
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I doubt Winamp existed when the Pentium 100Mhz was new or 5yrs old. However you may have installed it on that machine. Btw, Winamp doesn't have services running as a process like iTunes does and many AntiVirus software either by default or prompting users to disable those services. Some other apps may prompt to disable those during their installation. Did you give thought that his friend could've had a badly performing Windows machine or a pirated & hacked build of Windows? There are other variables that could affect application performance.
 
Prom1 said:
I doubt Winamp existed when the Pentium 100Mhz was new or 5yrs old. However you may have installed it on that machine. Btw, Winamp doesn't have services running as a process like iTunes does and many AntiVirus software either by default or prompting users to disable those services. Some other apps may prompt to disable those during their installation. Did you give thought that his friend could've had a badly performing Windows machine or a pirated & hacked build of Windows? There are other variables that could affect application performance.
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Speaking of antivirus software, I installed it in my bootcamp partition and suddenly I couldn't access the wifi from windows. So I ended up having to remove it. And removing it completely wasn't easy. Anyway I hope that not having the antivirus software won't give me problems. I don't think it will. I don't go around downloading just anything and I don't seek pirated software or media. (All my media is on the mac side anyway). The only risk i guess would be if I checked email in windows and someone sent me a file. But I will avoid email programs in Windows to be safe.

Anyway that was strange that the antivirus software would behave like that.
 
Prom1 said:
I doubt Winamp existed when the Pentium 100Mhz was new or 5yrs old. However you may have installed it on that machine.
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Winamp shipped in 1997. I bought my Pentium 100 back in 1996, brand new. The P54C dates back to 1994, so it was only a 3 year old architecture in 1997, and 1 year old processor in my machine when Winamp was released.

The Pentium-II based on the Klamath core came out in 1997, so you had to be on the bleeding edge to have a Pentium-II machine when Winamp was released.

So doubt all you want, decoding MP3s does not require a computer with the power of today's machines at all. And read through the guy's posting history, you'll see what I mean by he should just be dismissed.
 
KnightWRX said:
Winamp shipped in 1997. I bought my Pentium 100 back in 1996, brand new. The P54C dates back to 1994, so it was only a 3 year old architecture in 1997, and 1 year old processor in my machine when Winamp was released.

The Pentium-II based on the Klamath core came out in 1997, so you had to be on the bleeding edge to have a Pentium-II machine when Winamp was released.

So doubt all you want, decoding MP3s does not require a computer with the power of today's machines at all. And read through the guy's posting history, you'll see what I mean by he should just be dismissed.
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Pentium II was so expensive back then. You made me nostalgia hard. I started off with WinAmp on a Pentium 133 and it ran just fine.

Encoding mp3s on anything short of a Pentium II back in those days is another story. Ugh...
 
Lammergeier said:
With Software Update you can skip old updates as "all previous updates have been included in this download.."

Where is the efficient option for Leopard users wishing to buy Lion. WITHOUT having to install Snow Leopard, which I wont use! ..

There's certainly no need to force apple users to install TWO OS's to get to one!

This is crazy. Am I alone here?!
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Snow Leopard was an upgrade from Leopard. You could never install Snow Leopard legally without having upgraded to Leopard first (although installing it _worked_, it just was never legal). Lion is an upgrade to Snow Leopard. You will never be able to install Lion legally without having upgraded to Snow Leopard first. So the fact that it is also quite difficult shouldn't matter.


ftaok said:
I could be wrong, but I don't think any machine that ships with Tiger can run Lion. Lion requires at least a Core2Duo and IIRC, all C2D Macs came installed with at least Leopard.

Not that I think they would update the Mac App Store for Leopard.
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There are plenty; I think Leopard shipped September 2007, and for example MacBooks shipped with Core 2 Duo in November 2006. On the other hand, if they haven't upgraded from Tiger to Snow Leopard, why would they complain that they can't upgrade to Lion?
 
Lammergeier said:
With Software Update you can skip old updates as "all previous updates have been included in this download.."

Where is the efficient option for Leopard users wishing to buy Lion. WITHOUT having to install Snow Leopard, which I wont use! ..

There's certainly no need to force apple users to install TWO OS's to get to one!

This is crazy. Am I alone here?!
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Your computer won't stop working. I promise.

You should have upgraded to SL like the rest of us. By not doing so, you proved you didn't want to keep up with the latest and greatest.
 
hobbbz said:
Your computer won't stop working. I promise.

You should have upgraded to SL like the rest of us. By not doing so, you proved you didn't want to keep up with the latest and greatest.
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I think Apple will provide some method of upgrade for those without snow leopard. Probably the apple store will provide access to it.
 
Eidorian said:
I thought we were supposed to be proud of having 5-7 year old Macs instead of PEECEES that break after a year.
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That is the best part of having a Mac. The HW stays great, and you can upgrade the SW quite regularly.

No version of Mac OS is a complete non-functioning turd, so even if you don't upgrade, you still have a working computer.
 
dukebound85 said:
Not everyone needs the latest and greatest in hw yet apps will need the latest sw eventually....:rolleyes:
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No app has ever started requesting it be put on a new OS on its own.
Again, if you chose to update it, it might require a new OS. But iPhoto will never open one day and say 'hey I need SL'.
 
KnightWRX said:
Winamp shipped in 1997. I bought my Pentium 100 back in 1996, brand new. The P54C dates back to 1994, so it was only a 3 year old architecture in 1997, and 1 year old processor in my machine when Winamp was released.

The Pentium-II based on the Klamath core came out in 1997, so you had to be on the bleeding edge to have a Pentium-II machine when Winamp was released.

So doubt all you want, decoding MP3s does not require a computer with the power of today's machines at all. And read through the guy's posting history, you'll see what I mean by he should just be dismissed.
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Actually the P54C & 100 debuted in 1994, specifically 1994-03-07 on the latter
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P54C_(microprocessor)#P54C

The P54CS 133 debuted on 1995-06. This ushered in the MMX technology which winamp required. Winamp was developed in 1997, Initial release April 21, 1997.

I don't disagree about your choice for blocking that guys posts, I haven't read through his history, probably will not either. I also don't disagree about mp3 decoding power requirements either, that we both know was long handled over a decade ago - and Winamp is a SOLID application (I lived off of it for 6yrs in the early days, I may again on the work Win7 machine). You're Pentium 100 date is off by 2yrs, and I suspected as much but had to dig for it to be honest. Still you're memory is NOT bad at all.
 
Lion Compatability for apps?

Sorry if this is the wrong thread, can't see where this has been mentioned.

When I installed SL it broke a couple of my applications and I had to wait until the vendor came out with an upgrade for SL.
Can I expect the same here,or should any app that works on SL work on Lion?
 
Tumbleweed666 said:
Sorry if this is the wrong thread, can't see where this has been mentioned.

When I installed SL it broke a couple of my applications and I had to wait until the vendor came out with an upgrade for SL.
Can I expect the same here,or should any app that works on SL work on Lion?
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Expect the same sort of problems to happen again with Lion.
 
Eidorian said:
Pentium II was so expensive back then.
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Tell me about it, I bought a Pentium-II 333 based on Deschutes in 1998 right when Intel released them. :p

KnightWRX said:
The P54C dates back to 1994, so it was only a 3 year old architecture in 1997
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Prom1 said:
Actually the P54C & 100 debuted in 1994, specifically 1994-03-07 on the latter
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Who do you think you're correcting with your actually ? ;)

You just stated the same thing I did...

Winamp did not require MMX at all.
 
Eidorian said:
I thought we were supposed to be proud of having 5-7 year old Macs instead of PEECEES that break after a year.
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I have both PC's and Macs over 8 hrs old that are prized computers. They run like new. My own mini tech museum. If you take care of your Mac, it will return great service over a very long period of time. It's all dependent on ones willingness to do the proper maintenance as needed. :)
 
gnasher729 said:
Snow Leopard was an upgrade from Leopard. You could never install Snow Leopard legally without having upgraded to Leopard first (although installing it _worked_, it just was never legal). Lion is an upgrade to Snow Leopard. You will never be able to install Lion legally without having upgraded to Snow Leopard first. So the fact that it is also quite difficult shouldn't matter.
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Step 2:
Make sure you have the latest version of Snow Leopard.
Get up to date with the latest version of OS X Snow Leopard to purchase OS X Lion from the Mac App Store. If you have Snow Leopard, click the Apple icon and choose Software Update to install the latest version.
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This alone is forcing a significant installed Mac user base to upgrade their OS, not once ... but twice - bringing the total cost for capable hardware owners to $60US estimated (I think SL cost was $49/29, but tax included I couldn't be too far off). Not to mentioned time consuming. I think this method will force a) A LOT of users to either upgrade their hardware this July - Apple doesn't offer trade up program for hardware.
b) A LOT of marketplace posts here, on kijiji, on craigslist, and on amazon, etc.

Would be nice if Apple offered a hardware upgrade incentive to those with MacBooks, MacBook Pro users that didn't upgrade to Snow Leopard or where not supported for Snow Leopard. Then cleaning up said restored hardware and offering it to ...
a) third world country's educational centres (or Government terminals/kiosks; make their gov's pay for support).
b) children shelters & mothers shelters across the USA/Canada/UK/etc.
c) family's in poverty in shelters, or with community programs to assist them.

I'm sure there is a substantial US Goverment tax subsidy or "shelter" program that Apple could also benefit from such a move. Customers, those in need, those he require help web education, and education in country's where internet is still barely known all benefit along with Apple.
 
gnasher729 said:
Snow Leopard was an upgrade from Leopard. You could never install Snow Leopard legally without having upgraded to Leopard first (although installing it _worked_, it just was never legal).
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Patently false. The Mac Boxset provided a legal license to Snow Leopard for Tiger users.
 
I reckon that when it released their App Store server will collapse else it will be like down loading via bit torrent in that you will get so far and the rest will take forever.

Apple are getting greed - cutting back on the production costs. For goodness sake how greedy can a company be that earns more dosh the Intel and Microsoft put together.

I do not care if the DVD comes in a jiffy bag apple logo stamped on it and some poor sod as written the label on the dvd with permanent marker. I am not referring here to piracy but just to meanness of a company.
 
KnightWRX said:
Good for you and her! My GF and I both have our own MacBooks and iPhones.



My GF has lived with me for the last 6 years. Which makes it quite legal under the Family Pack license.

It's 2011 man, not 1945! :rolleyes:

Look, you're just arguing to limit options based on the fact that for you, it's fine. Try to see how what works for you might not for others and stop trying to tell us it's "fine" for us too. You're just creating ill will towards yourself. Just like iBug2 is doing.
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So, your position is that Apple should create a DVD kit in order to save you $30 without having to share your AppleID with your girlfriend, who you have lived with for 6 years?

I agree. Your situation represents a large market opportunity for Apple that they will miss otherwise.
 
hobbbz said:
That is the best part of having a Mac. The HW stays great, and you can upgrade the SW quite regularly.

No version of Mac OS is a complete non-functioning turd, so even if you don't upgrade, you still have a working computer.
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OS X without Quartz Extreme is nothing more than an exercise in masochism.

I think the new benchmark is not melting through your lap under h.264 playback or dare I say Flash.
 
hobbbz said:
That is the best part of having a Mac. The HW stays great, and you can upgrade the SW quite regularly.
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All of those XP systems still up on the net seem to indicate that PEECEES run a long time as well....


maclaptop said:
The bookies are taking bets on whether or not Apple actually meets it self imposed release date.
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I'd be placing bets on whether it's another disaster on the scale of the MobileMe intro - not on the release date.

(Although the two are linked - if it's pushed out on the announced release date without regard to quality, then could be an on-time disaster. If Apple lets quality determine the release date, then disaster can be avoided.)
 
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