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It's the same on the Dutch and Danish store.... so if it's not Apple being very kind to European customers (or non US based), then they would have a problem.

I know that in Denmark you cannot claim that it was a mistake, except in cases where a normal thinking person would see that it would be a mistake. In this case where they offer something as an addition and within a reasonable value (or the combined value for the MacPro - which is kind of expensive in the first place) then one could argue if this is something they should deliver.

Casper
 
Not sure what level developer you are but Select and Premier members get OS X Server for free.

Select and Premier members get a perpetually licensed OX S Server for free? Or do they get a version that expires in year or two?

brian
 
Select and Premier members get a perpetually licensed OX S Server for free? Or do they get a version that expires in year or two?
No. You get a license that is valid for a year but get new licenses every year. The license is intended for development work and not for use as a production server.
 
Select and Premier members get a perpetually licensed OX S Server for free? Or do they get a version that expires in year or two?

brian


They get an unlimited user license that expires usually at the end of the year or when a new version comes out.

In otherwords. As long as they remain Select or Premier members they get it for free.

Most Select and/or Premier members stay that way for years.

You can use it for production work though if you wish.That's why it's an unlimited user license.
 
I would say it's a error. There is no way Mac OS X Server could be for free.

Apple includes an unlimited-client version of Mac OS X Server with every Xserve system they sell. It wouldn't be that surprising that they would give you an option of getting the 10-client version of Mac OS X Server at no cost with a Mac Pro.
 
You can use it for production work though if you wish.That's why it's an unlimited user license.
Actually "To install Mac OS X Server v10.4 for Developer Testing needs use this serial number".
 
I don't know where you work, but if something is sold at a specific point. The company cannot change the price after the order has been placed.
Yes, if the price is in error, all countries' commercial code allows for a retailer to cancel the transaction, as long as that cancellation occurs before the transaction is completed. At checkout, you receive an invoice, not a receipt. The transaction has not been completed until you have paid (not merely billed and offered payment).
If it is advertised as being free, Apple have to give it as advertised. If not this is false advertising and they would end up in court.
It wouldn't end up in court. Someone may well sue, but if this is an error, corrected promptly, it ends there. No judge would take it.

Any party has the right to decline to complete a transaction for any reason up until that transaction takes place. A transaction has not legally occurred until you've handed over money and the other party has accepted it. At Apple, that does not occur at checkout, but just prior to shipment.

Billing errors are not illegal.

In any case, the best way to check the veracity of this would be to have someone go to a physical Apple store in the UK and inquire about ordering the Mac Pro. If their system includes the server software, this is an intentional move.
 
What's in Servr that's not free?

What does Apple include with "Server" that is not part of the normal Mac OS X that is not already free.

I see things like remote Desktop. But that is just Apple's name for VNC which is free. Also Apple competition in the server world is 100% free for any number of clients. Linux, BSD and Solaris are all Open Source and free for any use. Maybe Apple is just bringing it's price in line with the others.

Could some one say what it is you get with Server that you can't simply download off the 'net.
 
Be Careful!

Take a "good hard look" at OSX Server to see if it's what you want before going with it. I installed OSX Server on the G5 PowerMac at my studio and it was the worst mistake of my life. OSX Server has it's purpose but it doesn't have the install base that "Workstation" does so patches are less frequent and more hazardous. Also, I found applications to crash more frequently on "Server" vs "Workstation". If you don't have a compeling reason for "Server" then stick with the regular workstation.
 
In British law a sale is a contract between the buyer and seller. The seller does indeed have the right not to enter into a contract, so if a shop has a sign saying "TVs for £50.00" when it should have said £500.00 they can refuse to sell to you at that price. The point at which the contract becomes binding on both parties differs from England in Scotland. In Scotland verbal contracts are binding, so simply saying "I would like to take buy that TV for £50" and the shopkeeper saying "OK" would technically be a contract (difficult to prove without witnesses). This applies from a stick of chewing gum right up to a 50-room mansion. In England you need written material. It may be that if Apple's online system accepts the order and gives you a written confirmation then they are in a contract with you. Their opportunity to refuse is when you place the order. I'm fairly sure this was tested in court only a couple of years ago when the seller tried to argue that because the system was automated they needed another chance - I don't think they got it.
 
Apple includes an unlimited-client version of Mac OS X Server with every Xserve system they sell. It wouldn't be that surprising that they would give you an option of getting the 10-client version of Mac OS X Server at no cost with a Mac Pro.

Right. My first impression was that this is probably a typo, but it could be real. It makes sense to offer at least the 10-client* Server at no charge with the Mac Pro since there's currently no 8-core Xserve. And an 8-core machine is likely to really shine in a server environment with many users hammering it at once. Large companies or institutions needing more than a 4-core machine then won't balk at either buying 2 Xserves or paying for OS X Server on top of the 8-core Mac Pro. Definitely makes sense.

* Note that the "10-client" version is only referring to the number of concurrent AppleShare (AFP) users that may be connected at once. There's no limit on simultaneous SMB (Windows sharing), NFS, ssh, mail, web, etc connections. Frankly, I'm not sure why they even bother to differentiate between 10-client and unlimited for AFP anymore.
 
Take a "good hard look" at OSX Server to see if it's what you want before going with it. I installed OSX Server on the G5 PowerMac at my studio and it was the worst mistake of my life. OSX Server has it's purpose but it doesn't have the install base that "Workstation" does so patches are less frequent and more hazardous. Also, I found applications to crash more frequently on "Server" vs "Workstation". If you don't have a compeling reason for "Server" then stick with the regular workstation.

What? I haven't found this to be the case with Panther Server. We have it on a G5 Power Mac at work connected to 2 Xserve RAIDs. As far as I can tell, Server is simply OS X Client (standard) plus all the server admin goodies. All client-oriented applications run fine, and software updates are (were) just as frequent.

We never had a compelling reason to upgrade to Tiger, so I can't necessarily comment from experience on that. But I don't see why it would be any different.
 
I see your point, but I just don't like how I can invade people's privacy. (I have a big conscience, okay?) Besides, the higher-up techs in the district can still do it to me.

But if you view porn (or any unapproved content) from the classroom on student/teacher (use student) client PC's all you have to do is never save browser histories and encript any locally saved files.

Oh, wait, did I just post a how-to?

Oops!

Rocketman
 
In England you need written material. It may be that if Apple's online system accepts the order and gives you a written confirmation then they are in a contract with you. Their opportunity to refuse is when you place the order.
It's not, in fact. Placement of the order is merely a submission of a request for a product and an offer of payment. The system does not have any capability to reject your order. Computers cannot be granted unilateral agency, and an invoice is not a contract, since it does not require explicit approval by any party. An invoice is used to generate a bill or a service agreement, which in turn is a stipulation and would proceed as you describe.

An invoice is a presentation and not a binding document. This is why they tend to say "this is not a bill." It is a list of agreed-upon costs and it is only enforceable for services rendered (not for future services). A sales or service agreement would indeed constitute a contract as you describe, as would any document identifying itself as a contract.
I'm fairly sure this was tested in court only a couple of years ago when the seller tried to argue that because the system was automated they needed another chance - I don't think they got it.
You might be referring to the Kodak case which was big a few years ago. The problem with the Kodak case was that the email included "This contract..." in the terms, the error was not an obvious one (e.g. the price was something like £100 instead of £250, which is not a decimal error or an accidental 0.00 charge), and the error was advertised as a special (not simply tucked into a price list on a configuration page with no fanfare).

Common law provides for the rescinding of a contract made with a "unilateral mistake of fact" and uses a three-pronged test. Essentially the mistake must (1)involve a basic assumption of the contract, (2) constitute unconscionable enforcement, (3) the mistake has a material impact on the seller. A pricing error would be a prime example.
 
But if you view porn (or any unapproved content) from the classroom on student/teacher (use student) client PC's all you have to do is never save browser histories and encript any locally saved files.

Oh, wait, did I just post a how-to?

Oops!

Rocketman

That doesn't matter. They can still see where you have been and what you have done. On most school networks, when it goes through their system, they can track every single thing you do on the internet, because they keep tabs on each individual IP. And as for encrYpting local files, good luck. The school system admins have access no matter what you do
 
Apple includes an unlimited-client version of Mac OS X Server with every Xserve system they sell. It wouldn't be that surprising that they would give you an option of getting the 10-client version of Mac OS X Server at no cost with a Mac Pro.

Agreed.

Let's say this is an Apple policy.

Selling a limited license with a MacPro is not only a good idea, since the MacPro is a "premium" product, but also Server has been out for almost a full decade now and those added features have been slipping into CONSUMER applications consistently since. It is time we realize every non single purpose CPU is a micro-server and needs server functionality.

Nothing wrong with Apple shifting the Admin functions to the higher price product, and at this point charging half as much for it.

What I wonder is "what's next". Does Apple have a "super server" or "super admin" up it's sleeve to get YA $1-2k price point. They probably deserve it.

Rocketman
 
E&oe

Errors and omissions excepted is the catch all which should cover for any mistakes in pricing etc.
I think that it is a sleepy programmer, as UK Sweden and Switzerland have it free, HongKong Singapore & Australia dont even have any software install as an option, and you cant buy the 8 core machine in South Africa from the website:rolleyes:
 
Would be nice if this was true & US customers got the same deal. I work in an elementary school district and only use Macs. This can help save us money. While we already get a discount for this for being aschool, it's not that much of a discount.

I kinda like Mac OS X Server. Makes administering users and stuff like that easier. However, Remote Desktop is a little too "Big Brother"-ish for me.
Have you ever used ARD? Do you know what it does besides allowing you to observe the screen of another user? Do you know this feature can be disabled? Do you know that ARD can be set to show when your screen is being observed if the feature is enabled?

Mac OS X Server is cheap already. Unlimited users for $999. Check the price of Windows 2003, plus CALs.
 
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If it is advertised as being free, Apple have to give it as advertised. If not this is false advertising and they would end up in court.

European law is different, but in the US, I think a very reasonable argument can be made that it is not false advertising. False advertising (aka bait and switch) is meant to prevent a store from running a promotion to get you in the door, and then not honoring the offer once you are there.

In this case, there was never any advertising; you didn't respond to an ad and travel to a store. There was no bait & switch. I think it is quite easy to cancel the order up until the time it is delivered.. in the US. The same rule applies in a real store; the price tags are not legally binding. Once the cash changes hands, it is.
 
You know..After the past few "mistakes" Apple has put on their website it seems like a MacRumors discussion about it was caught by Apple and fixed fairly quickly.

Is this still on the EU stores ?..or whichever stores had them.

:confused:
 
I'm thinking this could be real, cause like the thing said it used to cost 349 for the 10 client, and 699 for unlimited, and being its free for 10 and 349 for unlimited it makes sense, and apple hasn't changed it yet, by now they would have caught that. I think its real, just hope they do it for US too.


as far it it "not being advertised so they don't necessarily have to honor it"
thats not true, I've bought stuff at stores a couple times where thats happened and the cashier was confused about the price so they got a manager, they said they have to honor it cause I did catch their mistake and then right after my transaction they went and changed it right away
 
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