I wondered as you see Server farms, Super computers by IBM, all sorts of professional tools to "get a job done" and they are generally oblong box's of some dimensions.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Mac Pro Launch Nears as Apple Business Staff Begin Offering Price Quotes
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
I wondered as you see Server farms, Super computers by IBM, all sorts of professional tools to "get a job done" and they are generally oblong box's of some dimensions.
Yet another soft launch due to component shortages????
I thought Tim Cook was supposed to be a logistics expert. Maybe he needs more training in supply chain management.
What a shambles!
*raises hand*
With the info leaked thus far it looks like my year-end hardware budget is going to limit me to six cores, though I should be able to max out RAM by going with D300 video. I don't need GPU for my rendering work, but cores and memory are critical.
Cook is a logistics expert. They have other areas to focus on now, look at Apple's revenue slices. They care about getting out millions of iPhone 5s devices before the holidays.
Not even the iPod line gets much love in 2013, it was the nascent growth area for the company in 2003 and the following years. Times change, priorities change.
Ten years ago AAPL stock would have tanked if the Mac Pro was late, nowadays the entire Mac product line (including the more popular portables) is just 10-15% of Apple's revenue. Wall Street doesn't care if the Pro is late.
I think it was a relief they even designed a new Mac Pro, its contribution to total revenue (beyond the initial sales spike from creative and business professionals who waited impatiently) will be minuscule.
There were people saying XServe was important strategically for business sales even if the numbers were small. As we all know it's gone now. Mac Pro may be bigger but still minuscule for Apple as of late 2013.
Last edited:
This is simply not true. I am a one man business and certainly not "elite" in income level. I simply managed to save a little out of each gig this year until I had enough to get a middle-of-the-road model when it comes out. Hyperbole much?
Hmm costly, be interested in the pricing I could get for the low end 6 core with 512mb SSD.
----------
That's such an incredibly incorrect and stereotypical opinionated view you have there. Based on no facts at all, I suggest you ask people in the Mac Pro forums on here what jobs they do. You will be very surprised.
----------
That's such an incredibly incorrect and stereotypical opinionated view you have there. Based on no facts at all, I suggest you ask people in the Mac Pro forums on here what jobs they do. You will be very surprised.
There are plenty of items that are priced for less than 1% of the world population.
*sell
The series of "?" in your post is correct, but just that part. The MP hasn't been launched yet so way too soon to suggest its a soft launch. Also, as it is truly an industrial level machine -- not "Prosumer" except to maybe a few wealthy individuals it's less likely that businesses will be buying stock machines so soft launch may not even be an applicable word.
I'm an not a huge Tim Cook fan yet as I haven't seen any real leadership from him, but I don't think anyone can fault him if he is cautionary on MP production. Perhaps THAT is Tim Cook's logistics instinct kicking in -- don't produce pre-assembed configurations that buyers don't want. It's a brand new product with a somewhat different, more sophisticated (technically & professionally) and smaller audience than previous versions. I don't really smell a colossal screw up yet. What is worse -- pro buyers having to wait another month for delivery of the exact configuration they want or Apple having a stock pile of unsold base machines no one wants?
However, this much is true, at least in the U.S., no business is going to be buying or leasing new equipment in December except in dire emergency because it will than have to pay business property tax on it come January. So it's really not a problem if Apple starts preorders next week for delivery in January.
The cooling system is much more efficient with less noise. With the old box system it needed 5 fans to cool everything.
6% - 10% on the hardware, more on AppleCare and software. Can't remember the percentages for apple peripherals vs. non-apple peripherals.
Concerning why they made it a tube, I'm not a fluid dynamics expert but I imagine there's a reason wind tunnels are built as long tubes.
----------
Here's an article about Apple's business and "loyalty" discounts.
http://www.informationweek.com/desktop/apple-discounts-for-big-loyal-buyers/d/d-id/1108035?
----------
Just a minor quibble: businesses like mine, a Schedule C LLC, don't pay property taxes on things like computer equipment, and we can depreciate such purchases all at once in the same year we make them. I am concerned to get this MP money I've set aside spent to get the 2013 tax break, but it's no difference to me whether they deliver in 2013 or 2014.
----------
Here's an article about Apple's business and "loyalty" discounts.
http://www.informationweek.com/desktop/apple-discounts-for-big-loyal-buyers/d/d-id/1108035?
----------
Just a minor quibble: businesses like mine, a Schedule C LLC, don't pay property taxes on things like computer equipment, and we can depreciate such purchases all at once in the same year we make them. I am concerned to get this MP money I've set aside spent to get the 2013 tax break, but it's no difference to me whether they deliver in 2013 or 2014.
Last edited:
The 8 core is still the d300 ... They don't make a base 8 core model! The 2 models offered are the base, the rest looks to be upgradeable. The 8 core upgrade was expensive, the posting of the 2nd quoted mac was my quote i got from apple, When i spoke to them they said to go up just to the 8 core it was like 15 or 1700 dollars i can't remember the exact #. But it pushed me out of my budget for a system... I preferred to bump the ram to 32 and hard drive to 512gb. Those prices on those upgrades were very reasonable. I did bump to the d500 as well, not sure what the jump to do the d700 was... But I'm sure the 12 core option was probably like 3000 dollars if the 8 core was almost 2.
And jet engines, water jet engines, turbines, etc.
People complaining about the shape because it's no longer a giant box reveal they are innocent of basic cause and effect reasoning.
It may not impact the bottom line directly, but it's still important
It may not impact the bottom line directly, but it's still important as a prestige product. It will go to the IT folks who support the hundreds of iPhones and iPads in their organizations and it will sit (grossly underutilized) on the desks of the managers who appreciate its stunning design and eventually sign off on the big purchases of other Apple products. So don't underestimate its overall profit impact.
It may not impact the bottom line directly, but it's still important as a prestige product. It will go to the IT folks who support the hundreds of iPhones and iPads in their organizations and it will sit (grossly underutilized) on the desks of the managers who appreciate its stunning design and eventually sign off on the big purchases of other Apple products. So don't underestimate its overall profit impact.
Wonder why high end computers are not all built as a tube shape then?
Perhaps if you look at the Servers Apple uses in their server farms, they will be round ones?
One announced today 4000 times the speed of a typical desktop computer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25367825
Strange they are not using this tube design isn't it.
Perhaps if you look at the Servers Apple uses in their server farms, they will be round ones?
One announced today 4000 times the speed of a typical desktop computer
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-25367825
Strange they are not using this tube design isn't it.
Wonder why high end computers are not all built as a tube shape then?
But there's no need for a tubular design in a liquid-cooled machine. The on eyou cite, for example, is oil-cooled.
But there's no need for a tubular design in a liquid-cooled machine. The on eyou cite, for example, is oil-cooled.
the tube shape is not economical for rooms running 4000 processors. Theres no way you could make it work, but it would be far more economical if they could build that kind of design on a similar setup to the mac pro.
These new Mac Pros are going to sell like crazy. I can't wait to start deploying them in my home.
There's still 5 months until April-fools.
But just incase you're really confused, Mac Pro's CPU is intel and its dual graphics is AMD.
I'll give you the first generation comment such is the case with most things, but I suspect it's been burn tested massively.
As for the cost. It's about the same as any other workstation. You can spec a Boxx to $40K plus easily.
And if you need to ask why anyone would need a $4K+ machine or that it's too expensive then you don't need to know why.
----------
Well given that most hackintoshs I have ever been forced to use are as Hacky as their name suggest and that The whole point of having a mac, from my point of view is to not have to spend 30% of your time looking after a system, like you do with windows, your comment is mute.
and as I understand it there are not Xeon class mackintoshes only the i3, i5 and i7s? Which don't compare to this in any way.
And don't forget that for millions of people across the world (the 1%), the price is meaninglessly low.
They will sell these based on their beauty and prestige to folks who will never do anything more taxing with them than pull up YouTube.
Not really - this is an efficient use for a single workstation. If you need more machines in a single room a blade is a better option. But if you think about it they have a central cooling system kind of like this.
What I do find incredible though is that in 2003 the New Mac pro would have been the 8th fastest machine on the planet. Now that is nuts.
----------
Don't believe that for a second. They might buy an iMac. but I bet only a .5% of Mac Pro buyers will not being using it to create content of some description.
Interesting observation here:
Dollar (£) density (v=338.7 cuin) £/v=:
1. £4218 £/v= 12.45 £/cuin
2. £6202 £/v= 18.31 £/cuin
3. £7813 £/v= 23.07 £/cuin
That's gonna save on a bunch of fuel and freight for each dollar of earnings and sales.
The tax man makes more money on a MacPro than either Apple or its dealer. In fact, with a 39% VAT tax and an estimated 24% income tax on 35% margins in the USA, the USA £230 and UK £1476 federal taxes alone are £1706 ($2781) on every MacPro!!
Rocketman
Last edited:
Prices up in the $7,000-10,000 range?
Really, how much of a market is there going to be for these?
This is "Lisa version II".
I predict not many will be sold. Perhaps a technical success, but an outright sales flop. Of course, I could be wrong.
It's not that difficult to build and maintain a hackintosh these days. I sense the interest in h-tosh'es will soon be growin'....
Really, how much of a market is there going to be for these?
This is "Lisa version II".
I predict not many will be sold. Perhaps a technical success, but an outright sales flop. Of course, I could be wrong.
It's not that difficult to build and maintain a hackintosh these days. I sense the interest in h-tosh'es will soon be growin'....