If using a gigabit connection, the minimum time is around 18 hours (64000 seconds for 8 TB). The rest depends on the I/O-speed of the disks.
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If using a gigabit connection, the minimum time is around 18 hours (64000 seconds for 8 TB). The rest depends on the I/O-speed of the disks.
It's not about the speed of the updates, it's about Apple killing off software and potentially hardware that I have invested tens of thousands in, and that's just I/O cards and third party effects.
The last article was before anyone else was shipping an updated system too
. I think HP is taking orders, and possibly Dell. Overall it's been weird/slow in terms of computer updates. I think a hackintosh is relatively pointless for any kind of business. You don't know how it will work as a long term solution. If Apple keeps pushing everything to App store distribution, it may gradually become more difficult to maintain.I'm not sure if you've figured out how much can be passed onto a Windows or Linux box if you choose to go that route. It's worth calculating if you're considering it.
thanks for the tips, i don't care if it takes a week, as long as it works!
Dell still hasn't released their 16-core tower, so theoretically Mac could still pony up. I suppose if we see an iMac release with no Mac Pro, that will be the end of it.
I think that you already realize that "it's the end of it".
Maybe there will be one more anemic update of the Mac Pro, or maybe not.
Apple (not Computer) Inc is focused on Itoys, not tools for professionals in compute-intensive fields.
I´ve been following macpro-rumors now since 4 months.
Yesterday i decided not to wait any longer and keep myself busy with any sort of speculations that always lead to bitter disappointment.
I suppose many of you come back here regularly to see if there´s
any progress - but - guys - isn´t it obvious where Apple is heading?
Many of my colleagues are still working with MacPros and don´t wanna abandon software like FCPS3 or Logic Studio - simply because of its great workflow and handling. And still, as several discussions on the web show, macpro users are frightened of the idea to change their system radically. Of course it always depends on how you´re using that machine, for some users it may be not a great deal to change - but still there are a lot of pro-users who really enjoy this setup in everyday work.
So maybe now it´s the last time I´m buying a new old MacPro. Investing so much money in a system that (maybe) contains a certain lack of updates is the other side of the shield, but the perspective that I can work properly for the next couple of years (?) seems to help me in this decision.
Yesterday i decided not to wait any longer and keep myself busy with any sort of speculations that always lead to bitter disappointment.
I suppose many of you come back here regularly to see if there´s
any progress - but - guys - isn´t it obvious where Apple is heading?
Many of my colleagues are still working with MacPros and don´t wanna abandon software like FCPS3 or Logic Studio - simply because of its great workflow and handling. And still, as several discussions on the web show, macpro users are frightened of the idea to change their system radically. Of course it always depends on how you´re using that machine, for some users it may be not a great deal to change - but still there are a lot of pro-users who really enjoy this setup in everyday work.
So maybe now it´s the last time I´m buying a new old MacPro. Investing so much money in a system that (maybe) contains a certain lack of updates is the other side of the shield, but the perspective that I can work properly for the next couple of years (?) seems to help me in this decision.
I have to wonder why people are so resistant to switch to PC when you really need powerful hardware for whatever you do.
Is it that you've never used a PC professionally before? Is your brand loyalty so tight that you would tank your own business based upon what your hardware supplier does?
In my case I switched to Macs for 2 Reasons.. 1. Vista sucked! 2. Apple has style.. I felt cool using it. I think it's factor.. but at the end of the day it's about the power.
In my business it makes more since to go back to PC.. Windows 7 works pretty well and there's more options in terms of software.
But finally there's hardware supplies who actually care about it's customers. BOXX for example is very interested in hight end hardware.. it's their whole business model.
But a lot of you are so addicted to apple that you can't see straight. Not all of you.. I understand FCP users who don't want to have to relearn a new program to do their work.. but even at that it's still worth considering if it's in your long term intrest.
Don't be scared... you have to enter the unknown from time to time.
Well, given that Apple doesn't even give info on upcoming releases to their own retail management chain, it's pretty awesome that they tell "big shots" over at Intel so that the info can then filter out to us. Thanks!!
When I switched to mac it was because of one program: Aperture. It was revolutionary enough at it's release to cause me to spend thousands on new software/hardware and make the switch.
At this point I've migrated to Lightroom and other Adobe products, all of which are available on PC. I'm using Premiere for video (available on PC). Other than integration with iphones in our home, my ties to apple are much less than they were 3-5 years ago.
A year ago I would never have thought it - I've been a die-hard mac user for almost a decade, but I've actually be browsing the HP and Dell websites. I feel a change in the wind for high end users, and I don't like it.
At this point I've migrated to Lightroom and other Adobe products, all of which are available on PC. I'm using Premiere for video (available on PC). Other than integration with iphones in our home, my ties to apple are much less than they were 3-5 years ago.
A year ago I would never have thought it - I've been a die-hard mac user for almost a decade, but I've actually be browsing the HP and Dell websites. I feel a change in the wind for high end users, and I don't like it.
...no need to tell Intel
The "big shots" (and all the bean counters) at Intel can figure it out by the absence of pre-orders and reservations by Apple for new Xeons.
The "big shots" (and all the bean counters) at Intel can figure it out by the absence of pre-orders and reservations by Apple for new Xeons.
I agree, the MacPro era is over. Apple is a phone company now. I've been waiting for a refresh buts its evident that its over. Oh well, the new HP 800 series 16 core looks great
I worked on PC´s professionally before I switched to FCP and LogicAudio in 2005 - suddenly there were no more crashes, no more data troubles, stable and joyful working - the main reason for working on a mac.
But your´re right by claiming to enter the unknown from time to time - I assume that future apple strategies will make decisions easier for macpro-dead-end-users.
Infuriating..
It is demeaning to the end user that Apple is so silent on its plans for an update to the Mac Pro... I have considered (horrors) switching to PC -- and am consulting now with a geek friend on going PC but using UNIX.
After all, Apple has abandoned its pro video users who could no longer wait for decent updates for Final Cut Pro. Most pros have happily switched to Premier or other pro software that works better than FCP. Many of these users also complained for a long time that Apple was not spending resources on keeping their pro-software on the cutting edge.
Obviously, Apple is changing their focus. It seems absurd that Apple would abandon the roots that eventually made them popular. And it is sad that they won't communicate when there new versions will come out. They just leave us hanging. I don't need details about the new innards of the mythical new Mac Pro. I just need to know for my own business if they plan on upgrading. They can keep all the particulars about the new computer secret. Why is it so hard to keep us informed. As end users we should expect no less from any company. Apple needs to plan, but so do all businesses using their products.
So if Apple continues to obfuscated and remain silent, then I will have no choice but to find another platform.... Apple, you are infuriating clients like myself and my colleagues.
It is demeaning to the end user that Apple is so silent on its plans for an update to the Mac Pro... I have considered (horrors) switching to PC -- and am consulting now with a geek friend on going PC but using UNIX.
After all, Apple has abandoned its pro video users who could no longer wait for decent updates for Final Cut Pro. Most pros have happily switched to Premier or other pro software that works better than FCP. Many of these users also complained for a long time that Apple was not spending resources on keeping their pro-software on the cutting edge.
Obviously, Apple is changing their focus. It seems absurd that Apple would abandon the roots that eventually made them popular. And it is sad that they won't communicate when there new versions will come out. They just leave us hanging. I don't need details about the new innards of the mythical new Mac Pro. I just need to know for my own business if they plan on upgrading. They can keep all the particulars about the new computer secret. Why is it so hard to keep us informed. As end users we should expect no less from any company. Apple needs to plan, but so do all businesses using their products.
So if Apple continues to obfuscated and remain silent, then I will have no choice but to find another platform.... Apple, you are infuriating clients like myself and my colleagues.
For me, its that the OS X platform represented a perfect happy-medium with what I wanted to do. A commercial, well-supported OS that would see polished, professional software on the platform, merged conveniently with a UNIX backend that meant it played well with C, Python, R etc.
They are the perfect machines for scientific computing.
Windows is somewhat less so, and Linux lacks some things that make the Mac feel like home.
Advice on how to purchase
Could someone please advise on the best way to purchase a new mac when (if) they are finally released? Is it feasible to think - I will just roll up to my local Apple reseller or Apple shop (in sunny Germany) and expect there to be a massive pile of Macs delivered that morning for me to take my pick?!? Or is it quicker in the long-run to get into the virtual que and order online? Eitherway, what is the 'normal' waiting time for delivery after an announcement?
Finally, if expectations are dashed, and the only improvements are a new shape and less nanos in the chip, and we decide on the 2011 model, how much cheaper have previous models been in the past immediately after release?
Could someone please advise on the best way to purchase a new mac when (if) they are finally released? Is it feasible to think - I will just roll up to my local Apple reseller or Apple shop (in sunny Germany) and expect there to be a massive pile of Macs delivered that morning for me to take my pick?!? Or is it quicker in the long-run to get into the virtual que and order online? Eitherway, what is the 'normal' waiting time for delivery after an announcement?
Finally, if expectations are dashed, and the only improvements are a new shape and less nanos in the chip, and we decide on the 2011 model, how much cheaper have previous models been in the past immediately after release?
Interesting, I have no concept of scientific computing. I speak from a motion graphics background. There's really no advantages to mac over PC in that category.
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I would worry about all that when and if they actually produce a new MP. From all things considered it doesn't look promising that they will. By the way.. there is no such thing as a 2011 model. The MP hasn't been updated since 2010.
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Well I agree that macs may be a tad bit more stable than PCs because they target specific hardware so drivers and testing are pretty solid coming out of the factory. However, I've been playing with Windows 7 a lot lately and it's super stable as well. I've ran a few heavy renders and worked flawlessly with some pretty complicated scenes.
I'll give microsoft a lot of credit for getting this OS under control.
But Yes, I switched for the same reason. XP was ugly and Vista was a really bad joke. Windows 7 though... No problem working there.... although it's still ugly..
count me in
This sounds exactly like me, and probably most of us whether your ready to admit it or not. I've never used PC for work because it has always felt clunky to me, but I can get over the interface if it means getting my renders done. Even the latest macpro maxxed out will still be too slow for what I need. I want to turn on real flow and work, not wait. So for a graphics guy (Cinema4D/AE/FinalCut) that only knows mac... what would you recommend as a first PC? i cant beleive I'm asking this.
This sounds exactly like me, and probably most of us whether your ready to admit it or not. I've never used PC for work because it has always felt clunky to me, but I can get over the interface if it means getting my renders done. Even the latest macpro maxxed out will still be too slow for what I need. I want to turn on real flow and work, not wait. So for a graphics guy (Cinema4D/AE/FinalCut) that only knows mac... what would you recommend as a first PC? i cant beleive I'm asking this.
Still can't believe this, I'm in denial if you wish. I especially can't believe Apple is this dumb. It's my business that pays for all my macs, including a MacBook pro and 2 or 3 of the iToys. If I can't do my work on the Mac anymore however, I think we'll be out of the entire Apple ecosystem quite quickly. And TBH, for me Apple gear is just too expensive to purchase privately so that won't happen (it'll be the hackintosh route then)
You and I are in the same boat (Motion Graphics / Animation)... So I'm looking at both BOXX and the HP Z820. The HP is actually pretty cool in it's expandability. Very much like the mac pro in that regard. Super easy to pull drives in and out and so forth. The guys are BOXX are super into high end hardware, so they specialize in building machines tailored to your industry. Plus they're small and accessible and love to hear from their customers, unlike some company we know.
I'm thinking of selling my '07 mac pro and perhaps pick up an iMac for light work. I'll use the PC to both work on and network render... I read that people have successfully set up a network renderers from Mac to PC with Maya and C4D. This doesn't help too much with AE where memory is the key component. So I would be happy to just do all the AE work on the PC.
We all agree that OSX just feels better to work in. We're used to our hot keys and the way things work. But it's the application where you spend the most time and the differences are so subtle to non existence that you won't even think about it after a while.
I still plan to use OSX when it's feasible.. but for those hard grinding jobs the PC will be my best friend.