Acer.
The rest are seeing only minor drops, or in the case of Lenovo - growing significantly.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Mac Sales Remain Flat in July, 5% Year Over Year Drop Expected for September Quarter
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
The rest are seeing only minor drops, or in the case of Lenovo - growing significantly.
Windows 8 isn't all that bad. Once you get passed the initial shock of the new UI you'll find out that it is a really fast and stable OS.
As for the blue screen that another poster mentionned. Those died with Windows XP. Haven't had one in years, especially since Windows 7. And in any case, most of the blue screen in Windows XP were caused by 3rd party drivers or hardware failures, something the Mac isn't immune against.
*clears throat*
WE HAVE MULTI-TOUCH
the trackpad is multitouch
http://www.apple.com/osx/what-is/gestures.html
$2000 would be quite reasonable with descent ram and HD space. The reason i mentions TB accessories is because i have so many external hard drives and it would be awesome to stick them all inside the Pro where they would be significantly faster than USB 2.0, 3.0 and FireWire but with new pro this will not be possible so the only way to make this speed possible is TB that is very expensive. That being said i do not need TB i just want it but since money is not burning my pocket its not an option. So this machine is for Pros and people with burning pockets i happen to be neither
Yeah, I hear ya. Wish my pockets were burning...
I've been waiting over a year for the mid-ranged iMac's to be worth getting. The only iMac worth anything is the tricked-out BTO 27".
GFX cards of minimum 1Gig standard and fusion as standard = sold.
I'll have to deal with the loads of storage space I need with externals, which I don't trust.
Roll on the next iMac update.
I probably need a Mac Pro but that's gonna be silly monies + external storage cost + display.
Hackintosh remains... for now.. Come on Apple!
GFX cards of minimum 1Gig standard and fusion as standard = sold.
I'll have to deal with the loads of storage space I need with externals, which I don't trust.
Roll on the next iMac update.
I probably need a Mac Pro but that's gonna be silly monies + external storage cost + display.
Hackintosh remains... for now.. Come on Apple!
Win 8 is a little bit faster and support for DirectX new versions is assured. It also has better multi monitors support then the previous windows version.
PS: I'm OS agnostic. I run Windows, Linux and Mac Os X. I didn't really want to move from Win7 to 8, but I initially had to so I could help a friend who bought a Win8 machine.It took me a day or two to understand the new UI scheme and find where everything is and in the end I stayed with it.
Exactly! I've been waiting to buy a new one because there haven't been any updates. And I want one that I can do work on myself. Hopefully the Macbook Pro will be updated this fall with faster processors and better graphics cards. If not, I might have to start looking more into a Hackintosh.
Ok, I hear you, but what's $80 to a business? And for those who don't need a disc drive, why make them pay for it baseline? And if Apple can do some really interesting stuff that potentially shifts and broadens the entire paradigm of a product by ditching the disc drive, isn't that worth the alleged inconvenience?
Regardless, you know what I always hated? Reaching over to my tower and awkwardly using the disc drive. There never seemed to be a good place to put a tower such that the disc drive opened at an ergonomically friendly location. So now, if you're buying the superdrive, grab a nice USB extender cable and put your disc drive exactly where you want it.
I dunno. Just doesn't seem like such a big deal to me. External disc drives work fine and even have advantages.
This is _Mac_Rumors. To Apple, it doesn't matter how PC sales shift from one PC maker to another. Lenovo is taking sales away from others, but why would Apple care about that? Fact is that in total, PC makers are losing sales (most likely to tablets), and Apple is losing less than most. And since the iPad is where these sales are going to, Apple as a company is happy with that.
I agree. Win8 runs really well (i.e. fast). I typically use Win7 at work and OS X at home, but I got curious and bootcamped Win8 on my Mac Mini. The only problem with it is the new Start page. I found a recommendation to clear it and just put the things you want there... made all the difference.
The buyers guide does not support this statement.
Some products have gone long cycles without updates, others have gone short cycles, but there has not been an overall trend in longer periods between updates for Mac models. The Retina Macbook Pro, for example, averages 124 days between updates.
I think if I were a home owner with an office or some dedicated space I would be fine, but alas. I move to new apartments, people borrow things, roommates can be awful, etc. Things happens, y'know?
I just traded my CD collection on Craigslist. I take a lot of pride in how much care I take with my CDs to avoid scratches. Nevertheless, other people exist, and many of them don't seem to care about anything. Sometimes they touch my things and I just can't manage to stop every single one of them. Probly around 1-2% of the discs in my collection have a skip or two from scratches. It shames me, but there is nothing to be done for it short of being a total jerk to the humans that get near my belongings.
Ok, so maybe I'm just not as organized as you (I'd bet on it), but even digital files can get lost over the years going from computer to computer.
All of your counter-points are reasonable, but life isn't always reasonable. I liked your other comments, especially the noted thickness of standard jewel cases in mm.
I'm looking to sell my decked out mid-2011 27" iMac. I was going to buy an Air, but I wasn't overly thrilled with the update. I'm hoping to see something fresh with the MBP updates. I want to help your sales numbers, Apple!
For a desktop it would bug me not having one just on principle.
I think if I were a home owner with an office or some dedicated space I would be fine, but alas. I move to new apartments, people borrow things, roommates can be awful, etc. Things happens, y'know?/quote]
Oddly I never thought of other people, than that would not be the owners fault of people borrow or use things and are careless with them. Personally a clean DVD does not mean touching the entire thing and leaving finger prints all over it while this another person says they take care of their stuff and the cases are horrible the discs are so so yet they are dirty, of course my standards are high.
"Other" people can be careless. For a number of reasons I don't have to deal with people using my stuff, I know for some it can be much harder. However I do deal with shared items and it is hard to keep some things clean because others suck at doing it right. Yes, the pans look horrible because you can wash them right so it just builds up. *Annoyed*
You should see how insane I am with my digital files and back up system. Nothing lost to date. Yes, I may be a bit freaky with this or I just have a little too much time? Obsessed? Not sure. oO
All of your counter-points are reasonable, but life isn't always reasonable. I liked your other comments, especially the noted thickness of standard jewel cases in mm.
The first few are really general thoughts not intended to slam any given person, mostly things I may not personally understand. Of course I was not thinking of others messing up peoples items. And I just have a different way of viewing things, I hear some people that don't even know how to organize and it is just one of those things that is like breathing. There will always be things in life that we may not quite get because it is so easy for us. Some people are perfect at spelling without even trying, I have always sucked at it and has taken so much of my life to get it right. Numbers are better!
It was amazing how much space I saved by using hanging file cases and storing the artwork.
Last edited:
YOU may not want optical media but some of us do and just because you don't want it doesn't mean you have to be a dick about it. Case is not "closed." Until there's NO physical media left in the world, An $1,800 to $2,000 computer damn well should have an optical drive. Especially considering said $2,000 computer ends up having a measely 500 GB HD (or worse 256) in it.
You can't have it both ways - claim that everything is digital, physical media is unnecessary and then take away the storage required for digital media. It's STUPID!
----------
Any PC under a grand is going to be a wonderful piece of equipment for about 12 months, then it's going to start falling to pieces. Just because there are cheaper machines over on the PC side of things doesn't mean the quality is comparable or that it's a wise way to spend your cash. My workplace ordered 12 Dell desktops (all under $1000) last year and already 4 of them have had failed motherboards and/or power supplies. I don't remember the last time I saw that with a Mac.
Also, every time I walk into the local Best Buy, the Apple section is always crowded and the most noticeably busy part of the store. Not that it really matters. I mean, anecdotal evidence is pretty silly to begin with but if we're setting the bar that low, I guess I'll counter yours with mine.
I've had two MBPs fail - both the HD and Motherboard. They replaced them, but they still failed and I was out of a computer for two weeks while they were fixed.
Well, go buy this. Before it is too late.
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MD103LL/A?
Seriously loving mine, which I configured with 8GB RAM & the Hi-Res 1680x1050 display. It is a super fast machine. Upgrading to a Samsung SSD as soon as Mavericks is available (yep, it is upgradeable).
For work, absolutely. I was speaking more for home use. No, I don't think computers are going anywhere - like you said, who's going to develop a Keynote presentation on a tablet - but at home we're on our iPads all of the time. I know for me personally, my upgrade cycle has changed from about every 2-3 years to every 4-5 years for a new Mac at home.
What is their success with the recent market trend? That is another measure one needs to look at before digressing year over year projections & whatnot.
No matter what, one day Apple will have to make a serious contract with Microsoft and get the native Office app on iOS... Apple does need this, even though many like iWork items. This is Microsoft's biggest advantage at penetrating the tablet market in my opinion.
(It's the only reason one day I see myself getting a Microsoft tablet in the near future... I still need Office, and many still do too.)
No matter what, one day Apple will have to make a serious contract with Microsoft and get the native Office app on iOS... Apple does need this, even though many like iWork items. This is Microsoft's biggest advantage at penetrating the tablet market in my opinion.
(It's the only reason one day I see myself getting a Microsoft tablet in the near future... I still need Office, and many still do too.)
And yet the Mac line continues to outperform the PC market by a wide margin. Just look at Dell for god's sake. What part of "post PC era" do you not understand?
Wow, that is a string of bad luck. I've only had problems with two since buying the first iMac. Basically:
1) Original iMac - after several years passed on to my sister who then passed it on to her kid after getting my mini Mac (below). Finally bit the dust when the kid plugged the wrong fittings into the usb hubs.
2) Mac G4. Kept going although it was loud. Passed on to my brother after four years (I upgraded the processor card). I think the total life on that one was eight years before it wouldn't boot.
3) Mini Mac G4. Passed on to my sister who still has it.
4) White Macbook ~ maybe 3 years before the inverter board died replaced with...
5) Current Macbook seven years and going though the screen is dimming
6) An iMac ~ 4 years ago had problems with the DVD drive. Covered under warranty. Still going no problems.
I think that longevity is true for most electronics these days though I can't say that about a certain brand of PCs. I was a LAN administrator where I worked and one of the PC brands had a high failure rate after about two years. Since we bought in bulk it may have been limited to one model but our next batch wasn't from that manufacturer and we haven't had the problems with others.
Laptops will always be less reliable than desktops and tablets. With a laptop you have more heat issues and the wiring in the hinge is always problematic. How many times can you open and close a laptop before the wiring breaks or if it is a sliding connection, wears out? Plus they get tossed, jarred, squeezed, etc. Solid state drives are a plus but they have their own issues.
5) Current Mac
yep... And beside, I prefer to hit the windows key on my keyboard to get the start screen instead of the start menu and then scrolling down a long list of sub menu entry to find the icon of the app I want to launch. The Metro screen I've splitted in 5 column b app category. It's way faster to find what I want since that screen as all my apps.
Windows 8 is hugely annoying on a desktop until replacement third party apps are installed to regain control, imho. Apple know what they are doing keeping OS X and iOS separate.
(Agree about the BSOD, haven't seen one for years except when a graphics card came loose.)
If I were a company making huge profits on devices that only take up tiny warehouse space and sell in tens of millions, I would be concentrating on pushing them the most too. But Apple do need to refresh their computers for the power users and because it's kind of expected of them.