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It's a much cheaper machine to build. MUCH

I can still see Apple being able to deliver this at a $1799 price point, even with the 12-core processor and PCIe SSD drive. Think I am nuts, maybe? Or perhaps the entry model will only be quad-core of six-core and able to deliver at the cheaper price. I can see a top end model being around $5000, easily.

I think you are right, $1799 at bottom, $2799 at top of standard models.
 
Yeah, don't really get you guys.
Still have a '08 PC setup (bought for $1000 :p) and it works pretty fine; didn't even put a SSD on it yet.
I can't understand how you call 5-yr-old machines "ancient".

If all you want to do is check email and write the odd Word document then thats fine stick with your '08 PC until something falls off it. Some folks do more demanding stuff where every inch extra performance means they can get work done more quickly.
 
Time to bring back the 17" MacBook Pro so some of us "pro" users can stay loyal Apple.
 
1. It's easy to lose discs.

Always found that odd, seriously, no idea how people lose things, where do they go?

2. Discs can get scratched or broken.

I suppose for those are are careless with what they own.

3. Some discs are useless without CD Keys that are also easily lost.

Copy, text file, file master copy.

4. Discs take up unnecessary space.

Valid, I put my movies into hanging file cases because standard 14MM dvd cases for movies, software etc.. are very inefficient, rather have files for software yet I would prefer control over said program if I wish to give it away.

5. After you install, you probably have to "get on the grid" to download umpteen patches anyway.

True enough, and with something like games, I am not a fan of having to put a disk in to play. A USB bootable OS is mush faster than a DVD or CD.

6. A lack of physical media can only drive further innovation as it directly increases demand for related digital services.

Digital still needs some work regarding costs, some are doing it right some are too much with their level of control.
 
I got a Quadcore Samsung Laptop for $850, it's over 2 years old and functioning perfectly. Additionally it was a version with essentially a clean install and 2-3 programs per-installed by Samsung. On the other hand, I have a 6 year old HP that's was over $1000 when I bought it. It's still working, but started crapping out 6-12 months in to it's use. When I ordered it I requested nothing installed on it, but HP per-installed a bunch of crapware anyway. It had a bunch of redundancies like a yahoo search program embedded into the system that replicated windows search. There was a secondary HP taskbar that had no purpose. Anyway, I eventually wiped the laptop and replaced it with a clean install and it's been working fine. It's still functioning, and I use it as a media center PC.


The reason why really cheap PCs suck is because of the OEM's customization with a bunch of useless programs they "think" will be useful for the consumer. However they're so redundant and so poorly developed that it ends up corrupting the device.

In terms of Best Buy it really depends which Best Buy you go to, and when you go to them. I've been to Best Buys where the Apple section is busy, and I've been to Best Buys where the Apple section looks completely empty. The honest truth is, Best Buys are horrible places to buy computers, and their service sucks. I friend bought a new computer from them, and it was a refurbished computer that Best Buy didn't even bother to factory reset. They also tend to have worn out power cables connected to their Apple products, also Apple does a piss poor job at making long lasting power cables. The other day I was at a major metropolitan Apple Store, and you could see several of their lightning cables fray and discolored.

Apple makes very good computers. PC makers exist in the range of crud to very good computers. Apples with Apples, little different, its all in build quality and issues. Apple is no different to a PC maker that makes very good PC's.

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I think Apple is missing the beat. They have a perfectly good range of laptops, and earning 15% of revenue which is still significant. And they only have 5% global market share.

Apple is very much in the headlines and all of the population has heard of them, given the success of the iPhone/iPad.

ADVERTISE, and focus on if you have iPhone and/or iPad, look what you can do with integration. Include a new Apple TV with a new Mac, look what you can do.

If that was on TV, I am sure the sales would double, to 10% global share, and add significantly to profits
 
Always found that odd, seriously, no idea how people lose things, where do they go?



I suppose for those are are careless with what they own.



Copy, text file, file master copy.



Valid, I put my movies into hanging file cases because standard 14MM dvd cases for movies, software etc.. are very inefficient, rather have files for software yet I would prefer control over said program if I wish to give it away.



True enough, and with something like games, I am not a fan of having to put a disk in to play. A USB bootable OS is mush faster than a DVD or CD.

6. A lack of physical media can only drive further innovation as it directly increases demand for related digital services.

Digital still needs some work regarding costs, some are doing it right some are too much with their level of control.


The point stills stands, no need for optical drives to be in laptops in 2013. If you need optical media just get an external one. Case closed.
 
Always found that odd, seriously, no idea how people lose things, where do they go?

Ask Terry Pratchett. There's a god of lost socks, a god of stuck drawers, there must be a god of lost CDs.

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Well I just bought a Mac last week...but I bought it used, it's a smart way to save some money on the premium cost of an Apple computer as long as you're aware and approve of the condition.

Buying refurbished with full warranty from Apple is smart. Obviously you have to watch out; the "savings" they publish on the website are relative to the original sale price; so saving 15% on the same device that is currently shipping is good, saving 15% on the price of last years device not so much. Except again, when Apple stops selling a product, the remaining stock is sold as "refurbished" even though it is actually brand new.

Buying used from eBay: There's a lot of stuff that is being sold at ridiculously high prices. Which is good if you sell your stuff, not so good if you buy. I can't understand why someone would buy a 2010 used MBP for almost the same as a refurbished MBP with full warranty.
 
Ask Terry Pratchett. There's a god of lost socks, a god of stuck drawers, there must be a god of lost CDs.

Must be.

My magic magic medallions protect me from such things. :D

Once I had someone say that it is so hard to keep CDs-DVD's from getting broken and I'm just sitting there thinking, no's it's not! I have had items for fifteen years that still look new, really not that hard. Of course I am rather a clean-neat freak so that plays into it. I know someone that loses things daily while I always know where my items are.

Funny thing is someone said they lost something for months and I found it in about two minutes. I could never stand such chaos.

The point stills stands, no need for optical drives to be in laptops in 2013. If you need optical media just get an external one. Case closed.

Some people still do because it could be their only system and they refuse to use an external drive. That applied to me until just the last few weeks. I picked up a smaller laptop and I really like it, I'm sure not having an optical drive helps keep the size down and these days I can watch a lot of media online. Normally I hated the idea of an external, really hated it. However now I'm thinking I could just buy one blu-ray external for $35.00 and use it for any and all systems making it's use more meaningful. The are rather small and if I only need it a couple times a year or even more it could be worth the space having on the laptop.

Buying used from eBay: There's a lot of stuff that is being sold at ridiculously high prices. Which is good if you sell your stuff, not so good if you buy. I can't understand why someone would buy a 2010 used MBP for almost the same as a refurbished MBP with full warranty.

It can be surprising how much a used Macbook can go for, two years old and a couple hundred more could buy a new updated model. It is nice when items hold their value, bought a used iPhone 4S and somehow almost a year later it sold for basically what I paid for it. (the buyer bid up)
 
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The only thing stopping my iPad from completely supplanting my Macbook is usb support.

I can't say that this would make my ipad take on the big role but a usb connection should have been standard from the beginning. With regards to Apple computer sales they are in a similar boat to everyone else but luckily for them they have ios to fall back on. And while lower prices, the non-removal of optical drives and the addition of reasonable graphics cards across the range might've helped in the short term they would probably find they would still have had reduced sales.
 
I did my part to help out sales this quarter. Picked up a 27" iMac. Awesome and fast machine. Don't care that it's not "the latest" - it sceams, looks great, and screams quality. It "replaced" my 2008 original Unibody MacBook Pro.
 
If all you want to do is check email and write the odd Word document then thats fine stick with your '08 PC until something falls off it. Some folks do more demanding stuff where every inch extra performance means they can get work done more quickly.

Yeah, like what?

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And for all of those whining about the lack of physical drive, it takes away a huge amount of space and weighs a lot. How do you think the Retina is lighter even with that screen?

Anyways, if you want a CD drive just snap it out of your old laptop and get a case and USB cable. You're good to go
 
How many PC makers WISH they had flat sales?

Who would want Windows 8 if they have Windows 7? I have no interest in upgrading, especially when I do most of my consuming on my iPad. I can't remember the last time I used my laptop.
 
I for one am not holding back especially because of lack of Haswell or waiting for Mavericks. I'm running a mid-2007 iMac with CS3 and Final Cut Studio 2 etc and I'm not upgrading because it means an equally huge outlay on new software. Until I absolutely need to do that it makes sense to keep going as I am. Personally waiting on pricing for new MacPro and waiting a while to see what kind of speed bumps new iMacs offer. Otherwise it's an iMac refurb.
 
Who would want Windows 8 if they have Windows 7? I have no interest in upgrading, especially when I do most of my consuming on my iPad. I can't remember the last time I used my laptop.

W8 is not that bad. I wish ios apps could be accessed from a macbook. On screen touch is actually more useful than I thought it would be and unfortunately ipad etc just doesn't cut it for putting together serious uni work or work proposals.
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CD Rom?

Guess people really do want CD Rom drives and you know, bigger hard drives. I'd love a new MBP because they are thinner and have longer batteries, but the lack of a CD-ROM (Which, I DO still use) and the tiny SSD drives are non-starters for me. Especially at those price points.
 
For me, the reason I haven't purchased any Mac products recently is because my 2011 MBP is still a REALLY GOOD MACHINE! I have absolutely no reason to upgrade. Retina display?....don't care since I plug in my MBP to a 24" display. Seriously, the need for better, faster, newer isn't there. And yes, some of the mobile devices have cannibalized the desktops sales (as we expected) but not enough to warrant replacing a 2 yr old MBP. Even my 2010 Mac mini is still doing it's job good enough to not replace it too. Point blank, the HW has gotten SO good that I'm just not seeing the need....
 
Yeah, like what?

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And for all of those whining about the lack of physical drive, it takes away a huge amount of space and weighs a lot. How do you think the Retina is lighter even with that screen?

Anyways, if you want a CD drive just snap it out of your old laptop and get a case and USB cable. You're good to go

An optical drive can be one of those things that if you use it a lot you want it in the system and there should be options, retina Macbook without optical drive and one with. Of course I still think Apple dropped the ball and having no blu-ray. Not everyone wants an external and that could be a deal breaker for some. Personally I am not really caring all that much anymore. Have one SMALL external for three or four systems would be fine.

W8 is not that bad. I wish ios apps could be accessed from a macbook. On screen touch is actually more useful than I thought it would be and unfortunately ipad etc just doesn't cut it for putting together serious uni work or work proposals.
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Agreed about Windows 8, it was a little awkward without touch yet works great on the small 11.6" touchscreen laptop. Small enough were it is comfortable to use the screen and once you know every all the functions are it is fine. I doubt something is junk because because it is new or different. Sure a couple things are a bit odd, nothing too major.

Guess people really do want CD Rom drives and you know, bigger hard drives. I'd love a new MBP because they are thinner and have longer batteries, but the lack of a CD-ROM (Which, I DO still use) and the tiny SSD drives are non-starters for me. Especially at those price points.

I imagine many people would not mind if the macbook stayed the same size and just increased the battery life even more, maybe even extra hard drive space.
 
People don't need new computers as often as they once did. Who really cares if your pc finishes spell check in half a second or a quarter of a second. Add in the fact that macs last a long time (my MacBook is over seven years old now) and the update cycle isn't the old two or three years like it used to be. That said, my seven year-old Mac will be replaced with a new laptop by the end of this year... Maybe.

I used to believe that. My power Mac G5 went on strong for 8 years before I sold it.

However, I've had trouble with almost every single intel Mac I've owned:

13in MBP antenna replacement
17 in MBP: Screen replacement
2010 iMac: Graphics card replacement
Mid 2011 iMac: Logic board and graphics card replacement

I use my Macs at home, no abuse, and this is happening. My overconfidence in Mac reliability led me to (foolishly) allow the warranty period expire without purchasing Apple Care on my last iMac (above), leading to over $1000 in repair costs.

Do not expect your Mac to last like they once did. Even Steve Jobs implied (to John Lassetter) that the life expectancy of a Mac is 3 years (which is probably why Apple Care covers exactly that period).

I'm still not switching (early 2011 17in MBP is irreplaceable), but I think people need to tone down their expectations.
 
An optical drive can be one of those things that if you use it a lot you want it in the system and there should be options, retina Macbook without optical drive and one with. Of course I still think Apple dropped the ball and having no blu-ray. Not everyone wants an external and that could be a deal breaker for some. Personally I am not really caring all that much anymore. Have one SMALL external for three or four systems would be fine.

I can't really agree with you because two different models would be costly, and since the one with SuperDrive would be more expensive, heavier and thicker no one would buy it. Just like no one used to buy the 17" MBP. And the SuperDrive is abusively priced (you don't say).

I do know the meaning of an optical drive on the other hand. My father works with discs for his work a lot, so no drive would be bad at best.
 
W8 is not that bad. I wish ios apps could be accessed from a macbook. On screen touch is actually more useful than I thought it would be and unfortunately ipad etc just doesn't cut it for putting together serious uni work or work proposals.
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But if you have Windows 7 and it works fine is there any reason to upgrade.
 
They are going down the toilet.

MAVERICKS?!? I thought that was a basketball team!

Will our next OS X Release be called OS X Clippers?

Actually I am a little worried about the next OS branding "OSX Mavericks"

A quick search on Mavericks and came up with this, pretty worrying and sort of suggest that this release will be something like Window Vista!!

Definition of MAVERICK

1 an unbranded range animal; especially : a motherless calf
2 an independent individual who does not go along with a group or party
 
But if you have Windows 7 and it works fine is there any reason to upgrade.

Cutting into this quote. I see little reason to update a Windows 7 system to Windows 8 unless it for insanely cheap (bought it for $15.00) and it works well with a touchscreen laptop (smaller) otherwise I also cannot see any reason to spend money for an upgrade.

I can't really agree with you because two different models would be costly, and since the one with SuperDrive would be more expensive, heavier and thicker no one would buy it. Just like no one used to buy the 17" MBP. And the SuperDrive is abusively priced (you don't say).

I do know the meaning of an optical drive on the other hand. My father works with discs for his work a lot, so no drive would be bad at best.

Windows based PC's companies have little issue doing this however I know that is a different market. It's cheaper to do what they are doing now by selling the one model with an optical drive and the new retina without.

Normally it really does not matter how much something costs to make if they make a profit on it and I do believe some people would buy it. However it would likely be such a small number it would not be worth having to make a second form for it.

Some people still want the 17" Macbook just a small number based on what Apple is comfortable with. The super drive is rather costly as an external, twice as much or more then a blu-ray external and does half as much.

Now if they had never made it the Macbook thinner yet added more battery power and even hard drive space that is something people would likely be on board with. There is only thin a laptop can get no matter the tech or at least as thin as it should be.

My ultimate laptop would be an insanely niche product, I do wonder how many people would want it.
 
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