I have the 2012 retina. Its not a fluke. I had it tested at official apple service centre two times. It happens, then its fine for a few months, than bam again. Started with 10.10 yosemite.
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Mac Users Reporting Widespread System Freezes With OS X El Capitan 10.11.4 Update
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I have had som issues with freezing after coming back from sleep... Extremely annoying to have the beachball every second time I wake the computer from sleep. Can't get past the login screen without a force restart.
it took Apple two full years to get 10.6 (Snow Leopard) into a state where it was reasonably solid, and that was basically a pure bug-fix release with no new features. Apple working all the bugs out of 10.10 in only a year is about as likely as Scrum actually working well.
It isn't just the yearly thing. If you're an engineer at Apple and you have a choice between working on a desktop OS or the new shiny, you're likely to pick the latter. So the people with the most mobility (i.e. the better engineers) are more likely to end up in iOS-land over time. It would take a pretty significant active effort by management to prevent that from happening.
With that said, I think the folks saying that Apple has taken a nosedive are forgetting history. When OS X v10.3 shipped, if you had certain models of FireWire hard drives attached while rebooting, the computer would wipe the drive. That bug by itself pretty much tops all the bugs in 10.11 put together. Of course, they also fixed it really, really quickly, and the FireWire bridge vendor also fixed the bug on their side really, really quickly, but still....
First of all, I do agree that Apple needs to step up their QA, but reading many of the freezing reports here seem to have Adobe mentioned in the error messages and issues occurring when playing video in Safari. Do you folks having the issues have the Flash plugin installed in Safari by any chance? I have none of these issues on my mid-2014 rMBP where I've refused to install the standalone Flash plugin and use Chrome's built-in Flash implementation whenever I stumble into something that requires Flash. Uninstalling Flash could be worth a try in these cases. Sure, it's a little bit inconvenient to switch between browsers, but less inconvenient than recovering from a system freeze.
I thought my MAC is going to die or that I've got a virus... Now I know that I am not alone with these freeze-and-crushes
Sounds nice!
Sounds nice!
Seems difficult to get my point across…
I’m just saying that the OS X experience some have doesn’t necessarily apply to all OS X users just like the Windows issues some have doesn’t necessarily apply to all Windows users.
I use OS X at work (also support many other users at the office) and at home every day on more than one computer and on these machines I haven’t seen any freezing issues of the sort described in this article (well, for two users at work I have). Maybe there is a software bug in OS X that causes the problem, but that doesn’t mean it has to affect all installations of OS X since there are different hardware (and perhaps software) components in the various Mac models OS X runs on, and thus different drivers being used.
At the same time one can argue that because of this OS X should have considerably less software issues compared to Windows, since Apple is behind both the software and the hardware for their Mac computers.
So maybe it is true that Windows is objectively more stable than OS X at this time, but that conclusion can’t be drawn from personal experiences because those experiences may not apply to everyone else.
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This bug has existed far longer than El Capitan. My Late 2009 iMac has suffered with this for a long time. Safari was the biggest culprit, seemingly a bug between Safari, windowserver & the graphics drivers causing a kernel level crash. I stopped using Safari and that improved things a lot, but it seems to be triggered by other things since 10.11.4
I installed the original OS X 11 (El Capitan) when it first came out on all my Macs and will not change until the next major update.
have done the same since OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) and they've never missed a beat.
security updates are not all they're cracked up to be …
just saying
have done the same since OS X 10.2 (Jaguar) and they've never missed a beat.
security updates are not all they're cracked up to be …
just saying
Steve cared about making great products, where as Cook only cares about the business side of things.
This video sums up Apple's current situation
This video sums up Apple's current situation
Thanks for the inside information.
I do believe we should show patience... while Apple searches for the funds to hire the staff required to establish a quality control department.
OS X El Capitan is very stable on all of my Macs (5) and when I find friend with issues it is because they have installed Mac Cleaner. It seems many unsavory web sites trick people into installing it. It is a nightmare and causes many issues.
Show patience, sure. Maybe it's me, but it seems that Apple QA concerns have been increasing at a much higher rate since 2011.
Maybe you've been slated for this already, I can't be bothered reading all the posts.
People are annoyed that Apple are pumping R&D cash into a project to keep their avenues open instead of fixing what they have, and improving on that.
iOS, OSX, the Mac lineup, the 6S/rumours for the 7, the stagnant iPad lines - these are things that Apple need to focus on more than throwing money at the Chinese market.
It's clear that Apple is chasing AAPL instead of its customers.
I believe it dates back a bit further.
My prior post said in jest, frankly I am out of patience... yet I'm guilty of tolerating the Cupertino companies shenanigans.
The biggest problem is the fact that it has been 1 1/2 months and Apple has said nothing not to mention the fact that it took until a couple of days ago before Macrumors editors finally wrote an article about an issue that has been on various discussion boards (including Macrumors). I pretty much gave up hence the signature I have now. Apple needs to wake up and realise that them denying a problem rather than facing up to it pretty much sends a message to me as a customer that they don't give a crap - either Apple cares and actually takes ownership or they don't give a crap and simply ignore the numerous reports of freezes.
That's just the 2012 retina, I spend months and months with flaky Wifi... A great machine at times, but also had it share if crashes. Wish it was as stable as my 2009 17 mbp
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Apple does not acknowledge issues unless its really major and the media get all over it, it's a cultural aspect where you pretend the issue does not exist, and you fix it in the next release, giving the illusion of perfect products.
Which annoys me, cause they will replace thousands of units while knowing it's a software issue . Kinda irresponsible for a company that pretends they are so green
I encounterd same issue, with even the apple logo staying on when I closed the cover, mid 2012 MBA on the initiall install last week. This time I completely wiped the Mac and reinstalled 10.11.4 with a bootable USB key I made prior to the upgrade install. No problems since...
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Yeah, you obviously don't use Windows that much as it crashes regularly as soon as you add software to the mix!
First, you don't really clearly define these technical flaws. I would not say El Capitan is flawed when installing on a nine year old Mac as you mentioned in your video. Even a windows machine often needs upgrading for a new OS. Software bugs are prevalent in ALL software known or unknown. Its nearly impossible to find or fix all of them before release. Thats why we have updates and service packs. Running El Capitan on all my Macs and no significant problems since upgrading but individual millage may vary.
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