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That's just the 2012 retina, I spend months and months with flaky Wifi...
Don't even get me going on flaky Wifi. My iPhone 6 that I purchased on launch day in 2014 had the worst Wifi issues of any Apple device I've ever owned. No matter how many times the Genius Bar folks reinstalled the firmware and reloaded the phone from a previous backup, nothing could remedy the issue. Eventually Apple ended up "agreeing" that it was hardware-related and I ended up returning it and upgrading to a 6 Plus. Happy to report further Wifi issues with this device. I do remember quite a few Apple forum posts with early iphone 6 adopters struggling with that same issue.
 
I've had the Mail app crash twice while my MBPr was asleep and lid closed. Regardless, when in doubt toss all preference files... which is a major PITA.
 
Can I ask if you need a particular software or method to print to a new printer or use an updated cloud solution that NEEDS the new OS to work.
What do you do?
Cheers
On my mission-critical studio machine, I set up a new drive/partition, install the updated software and test before making it the daily driver boot drive. I also save old "known good" OS/Application drives just in case. This is one reason my studio machine is still running under Mountain Lion. I work in one application 99% of the time, and all that matters with the OS is that it solidly supports that application. 4k monitor support is the one reason I see that I may update the studio OS in the future.

On my personal use Macs, I install wilily-nilly and hope for the best. Running 10.11.4 without issue on both. :)
 
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Not a rumor anymore. It's a fact.

I've also formatted my MBP and reinstalled OSX 10.11.4, but the issue persists. Prior to that, I even took it for repair having in mind it's under warranty, however the guys weren't able to reproduce the freezes.

Glad the logs started to show the "video decoder stuck for 20 seconds" in the Console entries after formatting it. I was able to find this thread in the Apple forums then: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7508306?tstart=0
Note: before formatting my unit, the console logs would show nothing special when checking them after a reboot after a freezing. I had VLC player installed, probably this masked the "video decoder" issue for the logger.

Well, at least I'm not alone. At the beginning I started to think that my unit was defective, even though I had a clear feeling that the freezes started after the update to 10.11.4, considering that a quick hotfix never came up.

I have the 13" Retina Macbook Pro Early 2015, with the 256 GB SSD configuration.
 
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REAAAAALY?

1 crash since windows 10.
1 crash at least every other week with El Cap.

So tired of this....


I am in no way defending Apple's MacOS quality in recent years, but my Son has a new Laptop with Windows 10, that his mother bought him for x-mas that is constantly crashing.

He does not live with me and I see him on weekends. I gave my old 2006 Mac Pro 1,1 to my two daughters that live with me. I installed Maverick on it and it runs great for them.

When my son visits, he always wants to use his sisters' 10 year old computer, over his few months old Windows laptop. He plays steam games and say his computer crashes on games that the MacPro runs like a champ.

His only complain about the MacPro, is that many of the games he plays on steam are not mac compatible.

This could very well be his laptop's hardware, and not the OS, but I figured I would mention his experience with Windows 10.
 
On my mission-critical studio machine, I set up a new drive/partition, install the updated software and test before making it the daily driver boot drive. I also save old "known good" OS/Application drives just in case. This is one reason my studio machine is still running under Mountain Lion. I work in one application 99% of the time, and all that matters with the OS is that it solidly supports that application. 4k monitor support is the one reason I see that I may update the studio OS in the future.

On my personal use Macs, I install wilily-nilly and hope for the best. Running 10.11.4 without issue on both. :)

you've got it well sussed out, nice one.
 
How do I install .3 through a clean install?

The full installer of 10.11.3 is no longer available from apple. But it is still available elsewhere. So if you haven't already downloaded it from apple then just google it. Unfortunately it is against macrumors rules to post the link on here.

You may proceed to do the clean install via instructions in the following webpage:

http://osxdaily.com/2015/10/01/clean-install-os-x-el-capitan-mac/

Just ignore the bit about downloading it because that will give you 10.11.4 again. Use the full installer of 10.11.3 instead.

Unfortunately the certificate for many of the versions available via google are expired but there is a workaround for this:

1. In the OS X Installer, choose Utilities > Terminal.
2. Enter date 0201010116 and press Return.
3. Quit Terminal and continue the install.

That Terminal command sets your system date to 1 February 2016 -- before the certificate's expiration -- so the installer can continue. Once you have completed the installation, visit System Preferences > Date & Time to reset the system date.
 
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A large number of MacBook Pro owners running OS X El Capitan are reporting widespread system freezes since installing the 10.11.4 update to Apple's Mac OS.

Hundreds of MacRumors forum members have been posting to a dedicated thread to discuss the issue, which spans 20 pages at the time of writing. The problem appears to be concentrated on 13-inch Retina MacBook Pros (Early 2015) running 10.11.4. Users report that their system becomes totally unresponsive at seemingly random times, with no way to regain access to their Mac other than to force a hard reboot.

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The issue was initially reported by MacRumors forum member Antonnn on March 25, four days after Apple released what is the third update to the Mac OS. In Antonnn's case, the freezes have been occurring "about once a week", first when browsing in Safari, but then also during the use of other Mac apps, including Adobe Photoshop and several third-party browsers. The freeze seems to affect not only the screen and mouse cursor but also the Mac's Force Touch trackpad, which completely loses feedback.

Many other users have since reported similar freezes after updating to 10.11.4, with some 15-inch MacBook Pro (Mid 2015) owners also experiencing issues. One potential cause has been identified from crash logs as a system framework or an Intel Graphics driver bug. The issue is also being reported after installing Safari Technology Preview Version 1 and OS X 10.11.5 Public Beta 1.

Video by MacRumors forum member appleofmy"i" experiencing the freeze issue.

Apple Support is apparently aware of the issue but have so far offered no concrete solution. Meanwhile, some users have resorted to downgrading their system to 10.11.3 by restoring from a Time Machine backup or performing a clean install.

We'll update this post throughout the day as we learn more.

Article Link: Mac Users Reporting Widespread System Freezes With OS X El Capitan 10.11.4 Update
I have the same issue with my MacBookPro 13 early 2015, which I just bought a month ago. Thought of sending it back. I'm glad I didn't. The device still rocks. Hope they fix the glitch soon
 
Yeah, you obviously don't use Windows that much as it crashes regularly as soon as you add software to the mix!
Here we go...

Yeah, not that much actually. Every day. For at least half the day. The other half on OSX.
I run Safari, Mail, Photoshop, xcode, iOS Sim and Logic Pro on OSX.
I run Photoshop, Manga Studio, Visual studio, Reason, Tiled, TexturePacker, Unity, SQL Manager, iTunes, Edge, OneNote, Office 365, mail, Netflix etc on Windows 10.. This does not include steam and gaming..

I do all my app and game development using Windows now - thank you xamerin, and use my Mac for deployment tests.
I mostly do all of my music on Mac due to the huge amount of cash I put down on sound cards and time and effort into Logic.

I'll let you guess which one crashed twice yesterday.
Psst.. I'll give you a clue.. It wasn't the toasteRefrigerator!
 
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Thank god windows users don't make videos of windows crashes, youtube would collapse.

I'm going to go on a whim and assume that you have no idea what you are talking about. It's funny that I have one of the most powerful Macs (a Mid-2014 MBP Retina 15") and whenever I start typing text in say the Chrome URL bar/search bar, the text freezes for a while before catching up.

As someone who uses all 3 OSes on a daily basis (Ubuntu Linux, OS X El Capitain and Windows 10) I can safely say that Apple is quickly falling behind from a Software perspective. I like OS X because underneath it is UNIX, but it truly is no better than Windows, which mind you is one of the more Stable OS'es out there these days.
 
Can I ask if you need a particular software or method to print to a new printer or use an updated cloud solution that NEEDS the new OS to work.
What do you do?
Cheers

I simply do without anything that requires me to upgrade. For me, I only upgrade my OS when I upgrade my laptop.
 
Anyone remember Mac OS 9? This is what using a Mac was like back then. The whole system would freeze requiring a forced power down and reboot. Mac OS X was supposed to fix that to that a single crashing app wouldn't take down the whole system, and it did...until now.

OS 9 was encrusted with 15 years of clutter that had been the history of Mac OS. It had to be dropped and replaced with something entirely new, OS X.

It's interesting how OS X has now surpassed the classic Mac OS's longevity. Perhaps it's time for something entirely new again?
 
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It's interesting how OS X has now surpassed the classic Mac OS's longevity. Perhaps it's time for something entirely new again?
Heh, I thought that was already in progress. Apple not convinced that iOS and OSX could be merged is just going at it from the other direction. Seeing if iOS can run on Macs. :eek:
 
Anyone remember Mac OS 9? This is what using a Mac was like back then. The whole system would freeze requiring a forced power down and reboot. Mac OS X was supposed to fix that to that a single crashing app wouldn't take down the whole system, and it did...until now.

OS 9 was encrusted with 15 years of clutter that had been the history of Mac OS. It had to be dropped and replaced with something entirely new, OS X.

It's interesting how OS X has now surpassed the classic Mac OS's longevity. Perhaps it's time for something entirely new again?

This is what needs to happen. They either need to spend a year out adding nothing to OSX and just fixing up what they have (and releasing this 'service pack' in the Autumn) or they need to rebuild OSX from the ground up and release it this year or next. I upgrade to each major OSX since Mavericks and only update to the 10.?.x versions if and when I encounter any bugs. I'm still running 10.11 beta GM because I can't get the Store to recognise my preference to go back to consumer updates - it's now ignoring all beta updates, too.

iOS needs something similar - maybe not a ground-up rebuild but certainly a year out. An iOS 9.5 would be appreciated.
 
Since the whole gui is freezing, and the background music is still playing, makes me think maybe metal crashed. Remember osx el capitan contains opengl 4.1 and metal. As far as i understand, currently metal is used for gui rendering and stuff, but its still in "beta". It could be that apple pushed a metal update through 10.11.4, which makes metal crash under certain circumstances, and is not able to restore itself. This then results in gui freeze until restart. Could it be metal?
 
Apple Engineer: Sir, OSX 10.11.4 is freezing up. Let's focus R&D efforts to fix.

Apple Executive: Er well... let's focus on making a rose colored car instead!
Hilarious!!
Update:
That Apple Executive was just fired by Angela Ahrendts for not being aligned with the stylish Apple mindset.. It must be a Rose GOLD colored car!! How else will they charge $250k for it???
 
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Anyone remember Mac OS 9? This is what using a Mac was like back then. The whole system would freeze requiring a forced power down and reboot. Mac OS X was supposed to fix that to that a single crashing app wouldn't take down the whole system, and it did...until now.

OS 9 was encrusted with 15 years of clutter that had been the history of Mac OS. It had to be dropped and replaced with something entirely new, OS X.

It's interesting how OS X has now surpassed the classic Mac OS's longevity. Perhaps it's time for something entirely new again?
OS X revolutionized the platform back in 2000. I still remember partitioning my hardrive to allow booting into OS 9 or the new OS X. Not many apps at that time were "Carbonized" and compatible with the new OS. At that time I marvelled at the strength of the OS and loved my new "Shift+Command+Escape" keystroke command to get out of Dodge when an app acted up.
 
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Yeah, El Cap is totally XP. :rolleyes:

Many numerous bugs in El Cap, and I have had frozen system several times. But no, El Cap isn’t Microsoft 10 years ago.

Vista business came out in 06 and I agree somewhat. XP was more stable than osx is now to me. I bootcamp windows 10 and now osx is what windows used to be, in fact I had less problems with vista. I have run all versions of windows and I would say osx stability is somewhere between 98 before se and vista. Seven was very stable, so was 8 and 8.1 but I chose not to bootcamp it I stayed with 7. Several family members did and I am the family fixer.

10 runs faster and smoother than osx, no crashes at all on my mac. None on the wife or kids computers.

I have been threatening on running 10 only on it but may just wait until time for another and adios mac.

I think apple has gotten too caught up in trying to boost the bottom line. I'm not saying they should not make money, but there should be a balance in there. If they don't want to start losing customers anyway. Nobody else wants the mack, I may stick the youngest with it anyway.
 
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Apple is betting on the fact that most customers will be convinced they need a new computer and not catch on to the new scheme that replaces intentionally slowing down your device.
 
Roadstar, post: 22899024 . . .

I'd suggest the same or similar by testing.

Disable Plug-ins in Safari. Disable "Allow Plug-ins" is under the Security Pane in Safari Preferences (v6.1 or later).

Also, worth testing by using the iCab browser. Find the Plug-ins preferences in iCab Preferences. Disable "Use Plug-ins for embedded data ..." and leave enabled "Don't use Plug-ins for data from foreign servers"

iTunes Plug-ins can be disabled by using "defaults write ..." in a Terminal.app window:

Disable:
defaults write com.apple.itunes disablePlugins -bool true

Enable:
defaults write com.apple.itunes disablePlugins -bool false

Start/Restart iTunes.

Some iTunes menu options may grey-out / disappear, when the Plug-ins are disabled.​

Wherever the user disables Plug-ins, restart the app.'s. Clear caches, too.

About Plug-ins vs. HTML5 - some info at encoding.com:

"The key difference between Flash video and HTML5 video is that Flash requires the use of a Adobe’s Flash plugin which is not open source. In contrast, the only thing required to make HTML5 video work is a supporting browser, player controls, video dimensions, and a poster image... Now that HTML5 is nearing maturity, there is support for HTML5 video and their associated formats and technologies."​

Given the presence of HTML5, and with the passing of time, you may be surprised to find where you no longer need a Plug-in.

What Mozilla Firefox has to say about that:

"You can play some types of audio and video content on web pages without a plugin. This article explains which media formats you can play and how to control, save, and open them."​

You do not need Adobe Flash Player for YouTube videos; HTML5 is YouTube's default player.

JavaScripts

When you direct your Internet browser to a webpage, that webpage might seek to download javascripts to your computer. Some webpages have no javascripts; other webpages may have a few; some webpages have several dozen.

When you visit a webpage, and it has for example, a small LinkedIn icon, that means that a LinkedIn javascript was probably downloaded to your computer. Same for Facebook, Twitter, and many others. At some webpages, dozens of Google javascripts may be involved (typical with blogs at WordPress.com).

You might disable JavaScripts in your Internet browser and tour around, to see; and you might do so, in order to test whether Using JavaScripts / Not Using JavaScripts . . . affects how often / how soon / or not at all . . . a freeze occurs.

(Enabling / Disabling JavaScript - and Enabling Java / Disabling Java - are different things.)

Overall, you're trying to detune both the amount and the frequency of the occurences of data-streaming problems that lead up to a freeze. The El Capitan freeze problem still appears to probably be common among these:

- WebKit (component of, or used by, various Internet browsers and other applications)
- network connection (between a variety of nodes; also, AirPlay, iCloud, Internet, Wi-Fi)
- FigByteStream (secured stream byte [distribution?] difficulties and/or errors)
- stream data-compression / stream data-decompression
- stream data-encoding / stream data-decoding
- stream data-encryption / stream data-decryption
- codec troubles​

The Mac seems to stumble over those. Then, the Mac may recover, or it may freeze.

A tip - read "About the security content of OS X El Capitan v10.11.4 and Security Update 2016-002" (many fixes affecting v10.11 thru v10.11.3) at Apple.
You'll find

"memory corruption issue"
"memory corruption issues"
"memory leak existed"
"multiple integer overflows"
"null pointer dereference"
"out-of-bounds read issue"​

addressed for:

AppleRAID
Bluetooth
Fonts
Intel and NVIDIA graphics drivers
kernel
QuickTime
USB
Wi-Fi​

Possibly one or more of the fixes (types of, listed here):

improved bounds checking
improved input validation
improved memory handling​

have abruptly and inadvertently complicated some previously-existing problems or added more/new problems?

Several are addressed again in the lastest (security content description) El Capitan 10.11.5 and Security Update 2006-003.

Meanwhile, it may help you to keep Activity Monitor running - keep an eye on it - to see what processes are eating up CPU power / time.

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