Hoping that 10.11.5 fixes this...though I'm running the public beta now, and it's still happening every other day or so on my 5K iMac. There's no way this is just limited to the MacBook Pros.
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Mac Users Reporting Widespread System Freezes With OS X El Capitan 10.11.4 Update
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I was actually experiencing iTunes hang ups constantly, and the occasional freeze up. But honestly I wasn't aware it was due to the updates as I suspect I had auto updates on and hadn't even noticed..
So far everything's working fine on my Macbook 12" 2015. For iTunes I simply deleted the preferences file and it seems to have fixed the issue so far.
Honestly I don't know what's wrong with Apple these days, they aren't really delivering the quality in standards that I usually expect. I mean we still have WiFi & Bluetooth issues unresolved. When I have a Bluetooth mouse connected while using WiFi I get bluetooth dropping issues and this problem has been consistent throughout all my Apple devices I've owned from iMac, Mac Pro, Macbook & even Hackintosh.
So far everything's working fine on my Macbook 12" 2015. For iTunes I simply deleted the preferences file and it seems to have fixed the issue so far.
Honestly I don't know what's wrong with Apple these days, they aren't really delivering the quality in standards that I usually expect. I mean we still have WiFi & Bluetooth issues unresolved. When I have a Bluetooth mouse connected while using WiFi I get bluetooth dropping issues and this problem has been consistent throughout all my Apple devices I've owned from iMac, Mac Pro, Macbook & even Hackintosh.
Found out the best way to keep your Mac working is not to update to anything Cook releases
Although the OS X is rock solid and capable but a non responsive screen is as bad as the blue screen of death on windows. Wondering how much time and bugs it would take for a brand like apple to lose credibility. People have already started pushing back on adopting new updates. Don't know what might break.
Can't agree at all on this. OS X 10.11 has been stable for me overall and I use it on several different computers every day, plus I work as an ”IT guy” at an Office with about 100 Mac users running various OS X versions, but no one is on 10.6 anymore. In no way would I conclude that OS X 10.6 was a better OS overall compared to later iterations (except maybe the network issues in Yosemite pre version 10.10.3, but that was a rare occurrence anyway).
I'm not saying the recent versions of OS X are flawless, but I don't think they're anywhere near as bad as some people here make it sound.
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Sounds like it's a graphic driver issue, maybe for that particular Intel graphic chip: Intel Iris 6100
I know you did a clean install, but for the two users at work having this problem on their brand new computers of the same models as you it seems to have helped to do a ”safe start” and then a ”normal” start (i.e. don't hold down the Shift key during startup) after that. At least when I asked after about two weeks after doing this on their computers they said the issue hand't happened again. Maybe just luck…
Maybe Metal related, maybe not. But seems to me it would affect more Mac models if that was the case. In my household there is a MacBook Pro (Late 2012) with Intel HD 4000 graphics that also runs the GUI on Metal in OS X 10.11.x. No freezing issue at all on that machine and it's being used with Safari every day. So like I said above, seems like an OS X Intel graphics driver issue affecting the Intel Iris 6100 chip.
You know hee haw, I run a support company covering thousands of PC's and Macs and 90% of the issues on our system are from PC's. Which is great, makes us loads of money.
Thats why I use Macs and not windows, couldn't stand to deal with that **** at home.
I agree with the poster that said 10.6 was the last rock solid OS X release. It was great, and I wish Apple would do a similar major MacOS update that concentrated on performance and stability.
The next best for performance and stability I think was 10.8, although not as solid as 10.6.
Just because no one uses 10.6 anymore doesn't mean it wasn't rock solid. It means it was old and it was no longer supported. I would have stayed on 10.6 on most of my computers if it was not for Blizzard no longer supporting it.
EDIT: I wanted to say that I don't mind 10.11.4, I have not had too many issues with it other than the occasional slowdown that a restart usually fixes. But, I don't think it is anywhere as stable or fast as 10.6 was.
I didn't say 10.6 wasn't rock solid, I just said in my experience the OS X versions released after that hasn't been any worse (except for maybe 10.7 Lion).
On topic for this thread: Finally I believe this issue has been solved in the latest 10.11.5 beta 4 (15F31a), although we won't be sure until apple finally acknowledges it.
From the first post here: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...l-capitan-10-11-4-system-wide-freeze.1963711/
So hopefully the OS X 10.11.5 update will solve this problem once released.
I guess that is fair, as I agree with lion being worse. ML was almost as good as 10.6. I can't really agree with Mav though, I saw some issues after I was forced to upgrade to it that I did not ever experience on ML.
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I forgot about something though, in most of my experience, 10.6 was the most solid OS X on most of my computers. An exception to this was the 2006 MacPro 1,1. After blizzard stop supporting 10.6, I did the boot loader hack that enabled upgrading past 10.6.
After installing Maverick on the 1,1, I saw a very significant increase in speed in almost every possible way. The downside is that there was a lot more bugs on it, but this might be partly due to the 2006 MacPro 1,1 not being supported.
But on my other computers including my late 2012 iMac, the performance decreased while the bugs increased.
So, I guess it really depends on the machine being used, which makes sense anyway.
I have the Same issues. Try almost everything like install backup with 10.11.3, clean install. Had it know 3 times at the Apple Store for a repair. Get new logic board, new ssd and ram. Still same problem. Today I tried to install the beta of 10.11.5 but after all the freez came just 50 minutes later.
Have no clue so far. Hope for an solution with the final 10.11.5
PS: I was in the recovery mode and even there the iMac 5K newest model freez once.
Have no clue so far. Hope for an solution with the final 10.11.5
PS: I was in the recovery mode and even there the iMac 5K newest model freez once.
weirdly this has started happening to me on my 2012 rmbp which is running the final release of mavericks...
i don't know if it's related. it's pretty much always happened while in safari. lost lots of work due to it, because it's so infrequent, maybe once a week currently, that i don't save quite as often as i should. frustrating. i didn't use macs much pre osx (but remember the bombs!) but one reason i was so happy to switch to 10.2 was it seemed so solid compared to windows of the era. i've had no end of glitches with this machine over the three OS's which came out in its era, to the point where i didn't want to put yosemite on it.
anyways, i'm just wondering if this issue could be safari related, and not el capitan related?
i don't know if it's related. it's pretty much always happened while in safari. lost lots of work due to it, because it's so infrequent, maybe once a week currently, that i don't save quite as often as i should. frustrating. i didn't use macs much pre osx (but remember the bombs!) but one reason i was so happy to switch to 10.2 was it seemed so solid compared to windows of the era. i've had no end of glitches with this machine over the three OS's which came out in its era, to the point where i didn't want to put yosemite on it.
anyways, i'm just wondering if this issue could be safari related, and not el capitan related?
Based on the evidence I'm seeing I'm still voting for Safari + Flash plugin combo. I don't have any of these issues on my mid-2014 rMBP from work where I haven't installed the separate Flash plugin but watch any Flash content with Chrome's built-in implementation instead. Safari is still my main browser otherwise.
For once and for all, this issue happens to us users who have NO FLASH INSTALLED.
Yes sir. I have flash completely uninstalled and I'm locking up twice a week.
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Nope. While I think it may be safari, it has nothing to do with flash. As has been said more times than it should have been, people experiencing this issue don't have flash installed.
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What version of Adobe Flash are you using?
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Most reports that I've seen of this particular issue have involved flash and were resolved by the update that Adobe released a couple weeks ago. If you are seeing an issue not involving flash, it is possibly a different issue (although it may seem similar to you, not every system panic or application crash is actually the same issue), so I urge you to file a radar at http://bugreport.apple.com with a sysdiagnose and full description of the problem.
Then definitely please file a bug report with a sysdiagnose attached.
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I call bull. You get more windows problems because there's so many more windows machines out there. IIRC, windows machines account for 84% of usage, and OS X has about 10%. With those numbers its only natural that you'd see more windows machines, simply because there are more windows machines.
■ After the MacBook Pro has returned from the sleep of about 10 minutes, the screen will freeze.
※ trackpad, keyboard works. Screen switching the screen you will see.
■ If you return from a long period of time of sleep, keyboard, track pad will not work. In order to re-start, only kill.
■ even after the re-start, it does not work the keyboard and track pad.
※ screen when you connect the other keyboard is not a freeze of the screen for the move.
※ visceral keyboard after the Mac is booted does not work, but to get into Safe Mode by pressing the Option at the time of start-up, there is no problem with the keyboard itself.
※ RAM reset can also be performed in the internal organs keyboard.
The next day, the keyboard is also no longer operated by the same bug. Only the power button without RAM reset also enter in safe mode is enabled.
※ trackpad, keyboard works. Screen switching the screen you will see.
■ If you return from a long period of time of sleep, keyboard, track pad will not work. In order to re-start, only kill.
■ even after the re-start, it does not work the keyboard and track pad.
※ screen when you connect the other keyboard is not a freeze of the screen for the move.
※ visceral keyboard after the Mac is booted does not work, but to get into Safe Mode by pressing the Option at the time of start-up, there is no problem with the keyboard itself.
※ RAM reset can also be performed in the internal organs keyboard.
The next day, the keyboard is also no longer operated by the same bug. Only the power button without RAM reset also enter in safe mode is enabled.
Then that's a different issue. The original issue posted by Antonnn involves NO FLASH. If you had a problem with Flash, and updating it solved it, then you solved a different problem. Our problem is with the OS itself.
But the majority of Windows users paid under $500.
At $1299 to $3199 for a MBP, Apple better get their ish right!!!