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MacBook, MacBook Pro To See Merom Upgrade Next Month?

I don't want to dampen the "excitement", but c'mon...a minimal speed bump is nothing to write home about. I'm sure many of you have seen the comparisons...the 'merom' chip is not that much faster than yonah. Early reports are saying they run even hotter than yonah. In my opinion the real problem with the MBP's was the heat and wireless issues...neither of which is going to solved by merom. It's like if apple decided to put a whole new case around the same G5 processors. They'd just be fixing something that doesn't need it. I'm looking forward to some changes with the MBP's, but just a speed bump to 2.33ghz is not enough for me to get crazy with anticipation.

-Jeremy

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2808&p=4
 
lessthandmb said:
I don't want to dampen the "excitement", but c'mon...a minimal speed bump is nothing to write home about. I'm sure many of you have seen the comparisons...the 'merom' chip is not that much faster than yonah. Early reports are saying they run even hotter than yonah. In my opinion the real problem with the MBP's was the heat and wireless issues...neither of which is going to solved by merom. It's like if apple decided to put a whole new case around the same G5 processors. They'd just be fixing something that doesn't need it. I'm looking forward to some changes with the MBP's, but just a speed bump to 2.33ghz is not enough for me to get crazy with anticipation.

-Jeremy

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2808&p=4
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The idea of a minimal speed bump is relative to the individual who is making the purchase of a merom system. This is my first new computer in over three years. It's my first Mac in longer than that. The speed bump is not minimal from my perspective. It's quite significant. Add to that, the merom is 64-bit which makes me at least, quite a bit more excited.

For those of us who don't have the latest mac product, why not wait a few more weeks to get the most for our money? I'm not waiting 6 months to a year for the santa rosa, or even longer for something better than that. But for me, and many others I'm sure, waiting a little while longer for the merom that is just about to hit stores isn't going to kill us.

Are you making an assumption that everyone on here who is excited about the merom MBP or MB are upgrading from a Yonah system? I'm sure you're smarter than that. Many of us who are excited are buying a new mac or computer in general, for the first time in years, so this is indeed exciting for us. Don't harsh our mellow. :D
 
I'm not saying don't wait for the new chip, but it's just aggravating to watch apple ignore the problems with the MBPs. The speed is not a problem, thats why the slight speed bump from the current laptops is frivolous. If apple does not fix these issues many of your usernames will pop back up in a month posting topics like "contant wireless drop-outs", "burned my legs with new MBP", and "contant whine is driving me nuts!!". I'm hoping this is not the case believe me. I think the Mac Pros were a step in the right direction and hope these new machines will follow suit.

-Jeremy
 
Somebody already asked, but I haven't seen it answered:

Any chance of an Apple Store Labor Day sale? That would be a great opportunity for them to clear their inventory before Merom. Have they had one in the past?
 
lessthandmb said:
I don't want to dampen the "excitement", but c'mon...a minimal speed bump is nothing to write home about. I'm sure many of you have seen the comparisons...the 'merom' chip is not that much faster than yonah. Early reports are saying they run even hotter than yonah. In my opinion the real problem with the MBP's was the heat and wireless issues...neither of which is going to solved by merom. It's like if apple decided to put a whole new case around the same G5 processors. They'd just be fixing something that doesn't need it. I'm looking forward to some changes with the MBP's, but just a speed bump to 2.33ghz is not enough for me to get crazy with anticipation.

-Jeremy

http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2808&p=4
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Actually, Anandtech was making the point that the upcoming Santa Rosa chipset will likely run hotter than the current chipset because of its higher FSB speed. Their tests showed that Core Duo and Core2 Duo had identical power consumption.

lessthandmb said:
I'm not saying don't wait for the new chip, but it's just aggravating to watch apple ignore the problems with the MBPs. The speed is not a problem, thats why the slight speed bump from the current laptops is frivolous. If apple does not fix these issues many of your usernames will pop back up in a month posting topics like "contant wireless drop-outs", "burned my legs with new MBP", and "contant whine is driving me nuts!!". I'm hoping this is not the case believe me. I think the Mac Pros were a step in the right direction and hope these new machines will follow suit.

-Jeremy
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Who's saying that Apple is ignoring those problems? Those sort of issues are frequently addressed when Apple refreshes its products. You don't need to completely redesign the case to improve wireless reception, and whining caused by fans can often be fixed with a simple firmware update. As an example, noise was a major issue with some of the Rev A G5 iMacs, but this was fixed with subsequent revisions, although the case was not altered. Furthermore, wireless reception was improved on the final rev of the iBook G4, without any significant design changes.

Apple doesn't, as a rule, revise its products every 2 weeks. Of course for its own interests, it does pay attention to problems with the current product line, so that they can be addressed when revisions are made.
 
lessthandmb said:
I'm not saying don't wait for the new chip, but it's just aggravating to watch apple ignore the problems with the MBPs. The speed is not a problem, thats why the slight speed bump from the current laptops is frivolous. If apple does not fix these issues many of your usernames will pop back up in a month posting topics like "contant wireless drop-outs", "burned my legs with new MBP", and "contant whine is driving me nuts!!". I'm hoping this is not the case believe me. I think the Mac Pros were a step in the right direction and hope these new machines will follow suit.

-Jeremy
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Right. Those are problems. I am *sure* Apple knows about them and is fixing these problems as the current Yonah MBP are being built.

Apple will never "Introducing the improved MBP, it actually has working wireless and won't burn your ba***." That's silly.

It is not like working to put in Merom is stopping them from fixing known problems. Can't they do both?

lessthandmb said:
I don't want to dampen the "excitement", but c'mon...a minimal speed bump is nothing to write home about. I'm sure many of you have seen the comparisons...the 'merom' chip is not that much faster than yonah. Early reports are saying they run even hotter than yonah. In my opinion the real problem with the MBP's was the heat and wireless issues...neither of which is going to solved by merom. It's like if apple decided to put a whole new case around the same G5 processors. They'd just be fixing something that doesn't need it. I'm looking forward to some changes with the MBP's, but just a speed bump to 2.33ghz is not enough for me to get crazy with anticipation.
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I am waiting for a Merom MBP to get more for my money. Maybe I can get the same or better clock speed for the same price, either way it will be slightly faster. But, that isn't even the main reason I am waiting for, I would like to see a few other things addressed such as an easilly removable HD and 1GB RAM standard. With the hope that these things are less a month away makes it worth the wait.

As far as the power consumption/heat issue goes, I have seen a report that Merom is better, one that is worse, and one that it is the same. I will be happy with the average of those reports.:)
 
My Macbook Order

I ordered my Macbook (no customizing) on Aug 23 2006. A week ago it said that estimated ship time was 24 hours. Now it is set to 3-5 days. However, this is what my order status page shows:

MB 13/2.0/2X256/60/SD:WHITE-USA
MA255LL/A
est Ship:
Aug 30, 2006
est Arrival:
Sep 7, 2006

MIGHTY MOUSE WIRELESS STANDALONE KIT-USA
MA272LL/A
est Ship:
Sep 1, 2006
est Arrival:
Sep 11, 2006

:confused:
 
lessthandmb said:
I don't want to dampen the "excitement", but c'mon...a minimal speed bump is nothing to write home about. I'm sure many of you have seen the comparisons...the 'merom' chip is not that much faster than yonah. Early reports are saying they run even hotter than yonah. In my opinion the real problem with the MBP's was the heat and wireless issues...neither of which is going to solved by merom. It's like if apple decided to put a whole new case around the same G5 processors. They'd just be fixing something that doesn't need it. I'm looking forward to some changes with the MBP's, but just a speed bump to 2.33ghz is not enough for me to get crazy with anticipation.
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its quite alright you couldnt dampen the excitement most of us that are waiting for MBP have if you tried!!:D im waiting for the new revision as if im going too spend £1000+ on a computer id expect the best thing there is and when i order my 17" MBP i knw its the best apple do at that time whereas if i bought it now id get a MBP that was out of date in 2 weeks (ish) And the fact its MY first mac that isnt my parents is creating more excitement than you could imagine not 2 mention the fact that im going to uni soon hence needing a computer:D
 
xzarnum said:
I ordered my Macbook (no customizing) on Aug 23 2006. A week ago it said that estimated ship time was 24 hours. Now it is set to 3-5 days. However, this is what my order status page shows:

MB 13/2.0/2X256/60/SD:WHITE-USA
MA255LL/A
est Ship:
Aug 30, 2006
est Arrival:
Sep 7, 2006

MIGHTY MOUSE WIRELESS STANDALONE KIT-USA
MA272LL/A
est Ship:
Sep 1, 2006
est Arrival:
Sep 11, 2006

:confused:
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There are other threads discussing similar delays. People are debating whether this is a Merom sign or a true supply shortage.
 
Heres hoping the random shut down problems have been resolved for the merom macbooks! What are the chances? This is the main reason I'm waiting before I purchase my first Mac. Currently typing on a laptop that has NEVER shut down on me once, or caused me any problems, I dont wanna be disappointed with my 1st Mac experience!
 
ChickenSwartz said:
There are other threads discussing similar delays. People are debating whether this is a Merom sign or a true supply shortage.
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The story is that it's a shortage due to strong demand during the back-to-school/college season. That's highly likely, but I also wouldn't put it past apple to hold off on some shipments this close to the merom launch if those shipments expected to hit on the 5th of September truly are the merom MBP's (which is what I want desperately) and the MB's as many are hoping.
 
It's my vote that we get Conroe iMacs and Merom Macbook Pros BOTH on Tuesday, or maybe one week apart. I think we will find that these two very comparable machines stay on par with each other for a while. I also mentioned something in another post about selling a certain old man's kidneys if iMac doesn't get Conroe...

Macbook and Mac Mini will get Merom in a few weeks. Maybe a fortnight? Around Paris Expo time, just not actually having anything to do with it???

And if we all remember Macbook Pro is supposed to be getting a case redesign. Mac Pro got a major internals overhaul, and so I believe we may see a far better MBP, and hopefully iMac, than we have now. X1800s and X1900s!

Hoping for an iMac with Quad proc and ATi R600 at Macworld 2007... :rolleyes:
 
A little more fuel for this Memrom fire.... from our friends at Engadget:

"if you were considering snatching up a laptop this weekend -- PC or Mac -- you'd probably be best off waiting until at least next weekend to do it; who knows what kinds of goodies we'll see in a couple days"

Link
 
~Shard~ said:
What's this "Memrom fire" you speak of? Does it have something to do with the new Merom chips being released soon? :p :cool:
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Perhaps it's a premonition as to the possible increased heat output from the merom chip. It's going to cause all of our systems burst into flames! :eek:
 
Question

I just rang Apple Australia, when I asked when the mbp will come out with core2 (just to tease them), the salesman said that it won't be out for a couple of months, is he trying to ******** me into trying to buy a yonah mbp or what!

When merom is ready and advertizing in US, would it also be available to the rest of the world?

It's giving me the ***** communicating in this forum with my handheld for the last MONTH. SAVE ME APPLE!!!
 
i'm sure that guy, being just some salesman, has absolutely no idea when the MBP will see merom.
 
Jvhowube said:
i'm sure that guy, being just some salesman, has absolutely no idea when the MBP will see merom.
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Exactly. If these guys (phone support, Apple Store employees, etc.) knew when the new version of a highly anticipated component or system or product was hitting the street, we would all know it because they would be coming to macrummors to spill the beans.

Loose lips sink ships, and Apple is not going to let that happen if they can help it. That guy was a dork who has no idea what he was talking about. He probably doesn't even know what a merom is, let alone that merom and Core 2 Duo are the same thing. Never ask peon Apple employees about upcomming products. They have no idea, and they don't care. They just want you to buy what's currently available.
 
wmmtf said:
Hey, any feeds on the probability of the new mbp scoring a radeon mob x1800?
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HA!!!!!!!!

We can dream can't we? -->:rolleyes: (I know it says rolls eyes, but also a good dream look)

Doesn't it seem like Apple being so innovative and quick to try new things is always last to put in nice GPUs? Perhaps its just my thought though...
 
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