Crappy NVM disk (not NMVe as you said) in it's 256Gb form. All of 5.5 hours battery life, according to reviews. What is this? 2003?
http://store.hp.com/us/en/Configure...1&storeId=10151&catEntryId=1487155&quantity=1
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Crappy NVM disk (not NMVe as you said) in it's 256Gb form. All of 5.5 hours battery life, according to reviews. What is this? 2003?
http://store.hp.com/us/en/Configure...1&storeId=10151&catEntryId=1487155&quantity=1
I can't tell if you're happy or unhappy with or without the 3.5mm jack since you provide both viewpoints. I agree that's it's 100% BS for Apple to go one way on one device and another on another device, but there's more to it than that since this is also the line-out jack to connect a Macbook Pro to docked speakers and the like.
The Lightning connector is what should have been removed from the iPhone7 and replaced with a USB-C jack. THEN you'd have consistency with the new Macbook Pro and one connector between it and any new headphones AND it would work at airports, etc. which will support USB-C in the future because everyone else on every other platform will eventually move to it because its' a STANDARD whereas Lightning is NOT a standard and only Apple uses it. It's ridiculous to make "lightning headphones" when clearly the future is in USB-C. One connector to rule them all...except Lightning? Someone at Apple should be fired over this, IMO. Lightning should be abandoned for USB-C PERIOD. Then you will have all new devices using one connector for everything with docks and adapters to breakout other single uses for older devices. Having a hub ready (preferably with a gaming level graphics card installed already or as an option would have been a very smart thing for Apple to have ready at this date...but no, IDIOTS run Apple so they don't think of basic obvious things like that. This is where the Kool-Aid Parade will jump in say how much money Apple makes when it doesn't take too much thought to conclude a hub would have been a good idea, especially since Apple is pretty much long out of the monitor business (the only place Apple ever offered their own hub for Thunderbolt).
The last innovation was 50 years ago? Really? I didn't know anyone offered a combination analog audio and Mini-Toslink 3.5mm jack 50 years ago.... Apple has only had that since around 2006 or so (possibly as early as 2004; I had a hard verifying that). That is standard equipment on the Macbook and Airport Express (I'm not sure offhand if the iPhone was also Mini-Toslink capable as I don't have one to test). I do know my Sony portable Mini-Disc Player/Recorder I bought around 2001 had a combination port on it (so they clearly pre-date Apple use of it). In other words, if you plug in a 3.5mm analog plug, it does analog audio ("old") and if you plug in a Mini-Toslink plug, it does at least 44/48kHz 16-24 bit audio (newer mini-Toslink jacks can be made to much higher specs). Yeah, I'm pretty sure that combo 3.5mm port didn't exist 50 years ago. It sounds like Greg Joswiak doesn't know very much about audio (I'm trying
hard not to call him an idiot even though he clearly is one; he'd be the first person I'd fire).
IT IS 100% OBSOLETE! Lightning is supposedly USB3 capable on the iPad Pro, but I've not heard of it having those speed specs on any other device. It's a propriety connector that only Apple uses (other than people they license it to for 3rd party accessories). They should have NEVER made that connector in the first place. They should have kept the 50-pin connector through the iPhone5 and then moved to USB-C with the iPhone 6. If they had done that, you'd have nothing to complain about now regardless if they kept the 3.5mm jack.
That dedicated Siri button on the Touch Bar makes these machines almost priceless. I'm surprised with that awesome feature they don't charge much more for them.
Apple's executives came up with all kinds of "excuses" to remove the 3.5mm jack and space was only one excuse. Their primary argument in interview after interview was that it was worthless, had no redeeming qualities (contrary to your comment that it has advantages), was an outdated dinosaur technology that should be immediately abandoned.
Well they were dead wrong, it's not obsolete and one of the most ubiquitous connection standards in the world today. The quality of the connection is excellent (regardless of the uninformed public who has lapped up Apple's comments about Lighting digital connection being so wonderful) as evidenced by countless professional audio engineers and DJs who all use ... drum roll please ... wired headphones connected via a 3.5mm or 6.35mm.
So if it's such a worthless standard, not worthy of Apple products, they ought to have the "courage" to remove it from the MBP.
I gonna sell my Air and get this one an Asus with an Nvidia GTX950 for only 599.00
Bye Apple!
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They could have put a 7th generation chip into the base model, though, and did not.
I don't understand that mentality. It's not like your ears are digital. They are analog and so the equipment must also be analog. Retiring a ubiquitous connector over some dubious "space" concerns while other manufacturers don't seem to have any problems doesn't make any sense.
They could have but it would have barely moved the needle and looked a bit strange if only the low end had Kaby Lake. The late 2017 refresh will all get Kaby Lake (btw this is the reason that Apple pre-emptively no longer have a 15" that doesn't have dGPU. Intel won't ship Iris Pro in the 45w HQ Kaby)
HP released the Spectre a few months ago with only USB-C and Thunderbolt 3. At least all the ports on this are Thunderbolt 3 so you don't need to guess. And now it works with any USB-C charger, so you are no longer tied to Apple's proprietary cables. Also, if a company is going to buy a $1800 notebook chances are they will spring the $20 necessary for an adapter.
1366x768 screen , Ethernet port and 5400 RPM HDD all the way!
Part of me wants to whip out the Apple credit card and charge it for a 15" MBP in space gray.
Another part of me is scratching my head that they did not mention Logic Pro, they mentioned Garageband instead?
Also fairly ticked about the stupid port nonsense.
But then this 2009 MBP is getting pretty old...
Another part of me is scratching my head that they did not mention Logic Pro, they mentioned Garageband instead?
Also fairly ticked about the stupid port nonsense.
But then this 2009 MBP is getting pretty old...
Please direct me to the quote where it says its a "dinosaur technology that should be abandoned immediately" like you keep throwing around. They said the port is "ancient", which it is, and that it could no longer be supported on a small device like an iPhone where space is premium. What are you going to tell me next, that they should add a 6.5mm port to the phone because people from 1970 have headphones they would like to continue using? Do you even know why 3.5mm exists in the first place? Because 6.5 was too large for portable music devices. Yes, its an advancement in technology. Much like this is, we cant stay on analogue forever, that's absurd.
Space was the primary stated reason. And of course they want to push the AirPod when it ships. They made a point of saying it syncs to your iPads and Macs as well as the iPhone (and works with PCs over standard Bluetooth).
This is a troll right? You are asking why we should ever move off of analogue because our ears are not digital?
The iPhone is seriously crammed for space, have you ever pulled one apart? its insane. Every millimeter helps immensely.
And then people will be complaining because the early Cannonlake chips will be out (never mind that Cannonlake is limited to 15W and 5.2W chips).
I guess you don't use the same headphones on multiple devices much. dongles and adaptors, or a second pair of headphones aren't the answer. Using industry standard hardware across the board is the answer.
Lol they sure will. Probably exactly the same people from this year, though they may have new usernames. No doubt they'll also point out whatever Microsoft have pre-announced to be released 3 months later, using the exact same chips that Apple beat them to are "super innovative and OMG Crapple are dead and screwing us with last years tech* Microsoft rule"
*Does that make it two years ago's tech when MS release their Skylake machines in January 2017? Following the logic I can't see how it doesn't
Yes, you cannot move off analog because that's... how speakers work. They still have to have the DAC in the iPhone for the speakers and for the lightning -> 3.5mm adapter to work. So all you've done is add another two DACs for each bud with the EarPods and saved a marginal amount of space from the plug that nobody else seems to be needing but Apple.
Well today's announcement was HUGE enough that I went right out and plunked down a grand total of $3802.32 on a brand new current generation, top of the line rMBP.
The lack of MagSafe is inexcusable. The picture of the power supply on the website looks like an overgrown iPhone charger with a typical short cable and I bet when people start tripping over it there will be lots of main board replacement going on. Been there, done that. MagSafe was an amazing feature and Apple replaced it with a joke. Interesting that they didn't even discuss it.
While the Touch Bar looks interesting, I'm a developer and spend most of my time (about 80%) plugged in to a 30" monitor and using a wireless Apple keyboard. Given that there's no keyboard with the Touch Bar - and I'm not sure how that would remove over BlueTooth, it's pretty much a non-feature for me.
Given my extreme disappointment with today's announcement I went to apple.com to check what they will be offering and noticed that they will still be offering the current generation. What was surprising is that the graphics listed are "Intel Iris Pro", with no other co-processor. I currently have a mid 2012 rMBP which has integrated graphics and an nVidia GeForce but hadn't checked the most recent model.
So to check with the experts, I jumped in my car and went to the Apple Store and interestingly, the models they CURRENTLY have for sale have higher end configs than what Apple will be offering going forward (on the current gen models with MagSafe, etc). When I asked if they had the top end machines in stock, the salesperson showed me on her app that noted that the stock was limited!
That was enough for me to just buy it on the spot.
It's sad that it's come to this. I really believe that Apple no longer understands what is important to their customer. Maybe that will change and when I next need a new laptop in 4-5 years they will have gotten their act together, or maybe their iOS share will continue to plummet so that I don't need a Mac anymore.
The lack of MagSafe is inexcusable. The picture of the power supply on the website looks like an overgrown iPhone charger with a typical short cable and I bet when people start tripping over it there will be lots of main board replacement going on. Been there, done that. MagSafe was an amazing feature and Apple replaced it with a joke. Interesting that they didn't even discuss it.
While the Touch Bar looks interesting, I'm a developer and spend most of my time (about 80%) plugged in to a 30" monitor and using a wireless Apple keyboard. Given that there's no keyboard with the Touch Bar - and I'm not sure how that would remove over BlueTooth, it's pretty much a non-feature for me.
Given my extreme disappointment with today's announcement I went to apple.com to check what they will be offering and noticed that they will still be offering the current generation. What was surprising is that the graphics listed are "Intel Iris Pro", with no other co-processor. I currently have a mid 2012 rMBP which has integrated graphics and an nVidia GeForce but hadn't checked the most recent model.
So to check with the experts, I jumped in my car and went to the Apple Store and interestingly, the models they CURRENTLY have for sale have higher end configs than what Apple will be offering going forward (on the current gen models with MagSafe, etc). When I asked if they had the top end machines in stock, the salesperson showed me on her app that noted that the stock was limited!
That was enough for me to just buy it on the spot.
It's sad that it's come to this. I really believe that Apple no longer understands what is important to their customer. Maybe that will change and when I next need a new laptop in 4-5 years they will have gotten their act together, or maybe their iOS share will continue to plummet so that I don't need a Mac anymore.
I totally agree with that.
There's just no way that the Touch Bar is the kind of radical change that their own invitation implied. They over-sold this launch, and shouldn't be surprised that people are disappointed. I think that was obvious at the end, when Tim thanked everyone for coming, and it just sort of lamely - ended.
They should have led into this event with a more regular abstract message, rather than an invitation which strongly alluded to two of the most disruptive Mac based launches ever. It just wasn't on that level at all.
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