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I am now suddenly very happy with my 2015 rMBP
I am also very disappointed with this so called update
In my mind, this sums it up....Don't Buy unless it's a MBP
They have left the Mac Pro / Mini people hanging again
What are they thinking
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This is absolute crap!!!!

Apple removes the 3.5mm jack from the iPhone 7 forcing the use of wireless or the Lightning port connected headphones (or the use of some stupid Lighting to 3.5mm converter).

So now consumers drink the Apple Kook-Aid go out and purchase Lighting connected headphones and the arrogant Apple clowns release the new MacBook WITH a 3.5mm audio jack and NO Lighting connector.

When asked about removing the 3.5mm jack, Phil Schiller has been quoted saying “the company can't justify the continued use of an 'ancient' single-use port”, and it took “courage” to abandon the 3.5mm jack.

Greg Joswiak has been quoted saying “The audio connector is more than 100 years old. It had its last big innovation about 50 years ago. You know what that was? They made it smaller. It hasn’t been touched since then. It’s a dinosaur. It’s time to move on”

Isn’t this lovely, Apple just finished telling everyone that the 3.5mm jack is a horrible, outdated, dinosaur technology and we all should run out and purchase wireless or Lighting connected headphones.

Thanks for the inconsistency Apple. Are you now going to say it took “courage” to leave the 3.5mm jack in the MacBook but you omitted the Lighting port because that’s now obsolete?

I agree with this for the most part. With the iPhone, Apple should have been brave enough to also ditch their dumb "lightning port" and go with industry-standard USB-C. The lightning port is actually pretty slow and it's near impossible to find good 3rd party lightning bolt cables because of their ridiculous complexity. I personally would like Apple to actually be brave and embrace the superior open standard across their product lines.
 
This is a troll right? You are asking why we should ever move off of analogue because our ears are not digital?

The iPhone is seriously crammed for space, have you ever pulled one apart? its insane. Every millimeter helps immensely.

Or they could have just made it thicker, kept the 3.5mm jack and put a bigger battery in it!!! There was absolutely no reason to remove the 3.5mm jack - it's a global standard that wasn't broken. The problem was they have made these devices so thin they no longer last a full day without a charge, and they couldn't figure out a way to waterproof the thing without removing the mechanical home button. They also still needed a way to read fingerprints and they had to give a way of providing feedback, so they were courageous and removed something genuinely useful and in its place put something useless. Bravo Apple

Seriously Apple, add 3-4mm to the thickness of the device, put the 3.5mm jack back, increase battery life by 50% and I'd be happy! It doesn't need to be thinner, it needs to work!
 
HOW MUCH?????? *puts credit card back in wallet*

I think I'll hang on to my 2012 rMBP for a while longer and wait for the inevitable Touch Bar keyboard for the iMac before I decide whether having a Touch Bar on my laptop is worth selling an organ for.
 
"Many of those who got a chance to touch the new MacBook Pros of course first interacted with the keyboard"
Well that is a shocker – I expected them to interact with the speakers first!

I love how people work so hard to justify the fact you can't charge an iPhone from a MBP without buying a dongle by the fact that it's $19.

You shouldn't need a dongle! If Apple would have dropped lightning and gone for USB-C across the board it would be problem solved, apart from you would need two of them on the iPhone so you can charge it and listen to music at the same time.
 
Ok seriously, has no one else noticed that the 13" MBP with Touch Bar can't be configured with an SSD higher than 256GB? Where's the article pointing this out and asking the important question of "WTF Apple?"


Actually you can - you have to select it first to buy and then you can spec out more RAM and storage.
 
Or they could have just made it thicker, kept the 3.5mm jack and put a bigger battery in it!!! There was absolutely no reason to remove the 3.5mm jack - it's a global standard that wasn't broken. The problem was they have made these devices so thin they no longer last a full day without a charge, and they couldn't figure out a way to waterproof the thing without removing the mechanical home button. They also still needed a way to read fingerprints and they had to give a way of providing feedback, so they were courageous and removed something genuinely useful and in its place put something useless. Bravo Apple

Seriously Apple, add 3-4mm to the thickness of the device, put the 3.5mm jack back, increase battery life by 50% and I'd be happy! It doesn't need to be thinner, it needs to work!

I mean yeah that is definitely one way of looking at it. I wouldn't be opposed to a little more thickness for extra battery. But the outrage over no 3.5mm is silly, technology has to move forward and its always going to be slightly disrupting at first. But like I said before, I don't hear anyone still complaining about not having a CD-ROM in their MBP anymore.
 
DDR3 RAM though, in late 2016 when everyone else is adopting DDR4? And a mid-range mobile GPU? Apple have a nerve to charge premium pricing with little things like that.
These are Skylake CPUs (were introduced a year ago BTW). So it is only logical to use DDR3 since it must be cheaper to buy DDR3 chips for them and there is no advantage of using DDR4 in a notebook that is capped to 16GB max actually. They will use it only when there will be a price or performance reason I think and first it might go into Mac Pro refresh.
And high-end GPU spread out large amount of heat which is hard to dissipate with such a low-volume computer case. That is a reason why there is no dGPU on 13" BTW.
 
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Congratulations on your 32 likes, you had to get your post in so it was amongst the first three to achieve that, had you been only 10 minutes too late, you'd not even be noticed amongst the whiners, but I do note the poor and clichéd quality of your whinge. You must have had your headphone jack whinge already done and pasted it in, it's obvious that wasn't going to be removed, there'll be times when home users will want to plug some serious headphones into it instead of an audio card, occasionally. To compare the usage of a iPhone with a MacBook Pro makes YOU look like an apple clown. Ooh look what I did there, I use all caps with bold, you don't see that too often.

Most people who want wireless headphone at home will no doubt use RF frequency lossless like say Senheisser's Kleer®, then you go on with the 'courage' quote, I mean you've managed to squeeze every troll cliché about the analog jack in, and this is your sole complaint? You gone on for the entire post and given sentences their own paragraphs, so you have wait for it...six paragraphs on the non removal of the headphone jack, as if each sentence is a is so complex that understanding the intricacies required six paragraphs. Comedy gold. In fact I'll wager you had two whinges already prepared, one for if it stays, and the other for if it's removed. You should post the other one too for a laugh.

I sincerely thank you for your envious and condescending post, it's always a pleasure to be the recipient of such jealous indignation.

I think at last count my post had received over 50 likes so it certainly hit a cord with many Apple fans … not bad for as you said “the poor and clichéd quality of your whinge”.

Well said sir and keep up the great work reviewing other people’s posts. I look forward to reading your own original 50+ liked post.
 
6) Better integrated graphics (620 vs 540)

Actually, Intel HD Graphics 620 is not really better than Iris 540...they're close, with the slight edge favoring the Iris 540 because 128 MB of eDRAM memory on board it. (GT2 vs GT3e)
 
Yes, you cannot move off analog because that's... how speakers work. They still have to have the DAC in the iPhone for the speakers and for the lightning -> 3.5mm adapter to work. So all you've done is add another two DACs for each bud with the EarPods and saved a marginal amount of space from the plug that nobody else seems to be needing but Apple.

I think you're missing the point here. The move away from the analog 3.5mm port isn't an attempt to pipe "digital" sound into your brain, its freeing up alot of space in the phone and making the push to wireless technology. Apple isn't trying to sell Lighting port headphones as the new "digital" thing. It's a free alternative to get people by who don't already have, or can't afford, bluetooth headphones.
 
These threads are always a hoot. Every time it's the same doom and gloom for Apple. Worst design ever! Too expensive! No one will ever buy these!

I wish it were actually true so that I could buy one sooner, but I bet they'll be delayed from demand. Oh well.

PC sales have been dropping for years, and for that time apple had managed to increase their volumes. Now they are tracking downwards faster than the market and this is their cure?

more expensive less useful computers.
 
I'm just imagining how thin the new MBP might have been without the 3.5mm Headphone Jack? And yes, yes, I've already anticipated someone saying 3.5mm thinner! Thanks in advance for that insight. :rolleyes:

Apart from that little thought, could someone help me out please? Is it my imagination, or were the bezels around the screen narrower/smaller on last year's MBP? I'm considering explanations such as the improved facetime camera and re-appearance of the name font under the screen? Genuine question. Honest answers please. :)
 
Pre order put in immediately as soon as the store reopened. 15" space gray, base CPU with 512GB SSD and the Radeon 460. Just over $2600 out the door. Hoping it gets here quicker than the quoted November 17. Glad I got my order in early as now the shipping times have slipped to 3-4 weeks.
 
I mean yeah that is definitely one way of looking at it. I wouldn't be opposed to a little more thickness for extra battery. But the outrage over no 3.5mm is silly, technology has to move forward and its always going to be slightly disrupting at first. But like I said before, I don't hear anyone still complaining about not having a CD-ROM in their MBP anymore.

It does divide opinion. I personally will not buy a phone without a 3.5mm jack as I use it a lot. I also need the charging port and the headphone port (whatever they are) to be separate so I can listen to music and charge at the same time. I need this while I'm working at my desk as I often need to drown out the background noise in the office while I write. I see plenty of others doing this too - I work freelance and work in many companies, so it's not just happening in one place.

It's not 'silly', many people have a genuine need for this port and the replacement options just aren't viable. Adaptors don't work because I would have to remove this if I plugged into my laptop or my iPad. After a while it would wear out and break, or I would lose it. What's needed is a common standard for headphones that works on all devices, that doesn't require headphones to be charged. Any ideas what that could be .....
 
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Not so impressed, especially cuz of the price, but the only reason to buy MBP (for me) is the amazing display, there is just not one company so far who is doing it right and of course the trackpad (loved always on MBP). I guess I will order after christmas the smallest new version with student discount (don't care about touchbar), its just on my maximum limit for a notebook (1.496,48 € inlc. 19% tax in Germany)
 
Please direct me to the quote where it says its a "dinosaur technology that should be abandoned immediately" like you keep throwing around. They said the port is "ancient", which it is, and that it could no longer be supported on a small device like an iPhone where space is premium. What are you going to tell me next, that they should add a 6.5mm port to the phone because people from 1970 have headphones they would like to continue using? Do you even know why 3.5mm exists in the first place? Because 6.5 was too large for portable music devices. Yes, its an advancement in technology. Much like this is, we cant stay on analogue forever, that's absurd.

Do your own research, there are plenty of comments/interviews from senior Apple executives like Shiller, Riccio, and Joswiak.

Greg Joswiak quoted “The audio connector is more than 100 years old. It had its last big innovation about 50 years ago. You know what that was? They made it smaller. It hasn’t been touched since then. It’s a dinosaur. It’s time to move on”

Of course I don't want a 6.35mm jack in the iPhone, that's nuts, and it's 6.35mm not 6.5mm so why don't you get your information correct before spouting off or trying to insult people.
 
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PC sales have been dropping for years, and for that time apple had managed to increase their volumes. Now they are tracking downwards faster than the market and this is their cure?

more expensive less useful computers.

Actually it's because
What's needed is a common standard for headphones that works on all devices, that doesn't require headphones to be charged. Any ideas what that could be .....

Yep.. Bluetooth! :p
 
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I think you're missing the point here. The move away from the analog 3.5mm port isn't an attempt to pipe "digital" sound into your brain, its freeing up alot of space in the phone and making the push to wireless technology. Apple isn't trying to sell Lighting port headphones as the new "digital" thing. It's a free alternative to get people by who don't already have, or can't afford, bluetooth headphones.

Are there any Bluetooth headphones that NEVER need charging? And I really mean never. It's a rhetorical question, which is why I will be sticking with a wired connection. I just works! Isn't that one of Apple's marketing slogans?
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Actually it's because


Yep.. Bluetooth! :p

You missed the bit about not needing to charge headphones ...;)
 
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I agree with this for the most part. With the iPhone, Apple should have been brave enough to also ditch their dumb "lightning port" and go with industry-standard USB-C. The lightning port is actually pretty slow and it's near impossible to find good 3rd party lightning bolt cables because of their ridiculous complexity. I personally would like Apple to actually be brave and embrace the superior open standard across their product lines.

Agreed, but I will admit I like that the Lighting port is reversible and I like the "click fit" of the jack. I have a new MacBook that came out a few months ago with USB-C, and I like how the Lighting connector works over USB-C
 
How disappointing. I can see Dell XPS and Microsoft Surface factories being VERY busy over the next few months.......
 
Do your own research, there are plenty of comments/interviews from senior Apple executives like Shiller, Riccio, and Joswiak.

Greg Joswiak quoted “The audio connector is more than 100 years old. It had its last big innovation about 50 years ago. You know what that was? They made it smaller. It hasn’t been touched since then. It’s a dinosaur. It’s time to move on”

Of course I don't want a 6.35mm jack in the iPhone, that's nuts, and it's 6.35mm not 6.5mm so why don't you get your information correct before spouting off or trying to insult people.

Not insulting anyone, just correcting your falsely attributed quote.
6.5, 6.35.. they are used interchangeably and mean the same thing. It's 1/4 inch, I think that's obvious.
 
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