MacBook Pro Launch February 12th?

[chazzonline]

Well, it seems obvious that new MBP's are coming, but...

The rebate from Amazon is true, but there, also, says that there was recently a rebate similar to that one, that ended on Jan 28th... Could be that they're guessing just like us.

It is true that they are out of stock at BestBuy (at least one model) which is weird because that's not supposed to happen unless they're getting new ones...

About the whole Penryn thing... I think it is merely a coincidence that Sony is starting to sell their FZ computers on the 19th. Do you really think they would agree on a date, like someone suggested?

I'm also one of those who's been waiting for months, but I wouldn't hold my breath for an update on the 19th. Feb 26th seems more feasible... I never thought they needed an event to show a new MBP since all the features it's gonna get have already been shown, but it seems like they do need an event... It seems probable as a "one more thing" at that event.

ok .. the things u say can be true .. but companies like sony and apple can hav a mutual agreement .. or it cud b a coincidence .. but one thing is true MSP's r comin n comin very soon . I just dont understand how can u b sure that there is an event on the 26th .. its just a rumor as per now .. But yeah if 19th is not the day it better be 26th

 

[HackBook]

or until someone cracks OSX to run on a PC. What a great day that will be.

It already has mate. check out www.insanelymac.com and www.osx86project.org - both excellent sources of information.

Back on topic - I hope the new MBP's arrive soon. I'm in the market for a new laptop that will serve as desktop replacement. I've had a look at MacBooks and one of those will serve me fine as I'm not a PC gamer (I own a PS2 and Xbox 360 Elite for that), though the dedicated graphics chip and the larger screen is winning me over, especially as I do a fair amount of web design - the dedicated graphics chip should help Photoshop run smoother.

Come On Apple - don't keep us waiting!

 

[fuziwuzi]

i am starting to wonder if they are waiting for firewire s3200 to be released to install it.

and i am starting to also wonder if they are going to put wireless USB in the new bacbooks as well.

 

[ewxlt]

Wow! I guess it's safe to say you are not the target market for an MBA?

Carmine

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[Tosser]

i am starting to wonder if they are waiting for firewire s3200 to be released to install it.

and i am starting to also wonder if they are going to put wireless USB in the new bacbooks as well.

As much as as I wish for something like that (both of them), with the way Apple is going, it seems nothing but that: Wishful thinking.

First they nix the firewire in the iPods. Next they try leaving FW800 out of the MBP's (they did that at one time), and now they have come up with the Airbook – a computer entirely without ports (well, about the same amount of ports as the iPod: A single USB, no firewire, no expresscard, no: A single USB port),
Not to mention their shift of focus to consumer products overall the last four years: iLife, Garageband, iPods, iPhone, and Airbook.

With that in mind, I think it will only get worse. Even though I'm hoping they will put my words to shame, and refocus, I really do think I am right in this: We will see an even further move towards the average consumer, forcing the pros to reinvest in pro apps on windows, eventually shifting entirely. Apple are fast becoming a joke in this sense.

My bet is that they will take cues – all the wrong ones - from their Airbook, such as the tapering sides, using the worst shape possible, so they have to make workarounds to fit ports, if they don't choose to leave them out. And the ports to go first are the ports the pros use: Expresscard, Ethernet, FW400 and not least the FW800-port.

There is no way they'd introduce FW3200 in anything. Ever. They're moving away from firewire – especially with the introduction of their high powered USB port.

 

[atlandrew]

Someone tell me I'm not alone!!!

I'm a 'soon-to-be' mac switcher from the PC world. The only problem is, I can't logically buy a MBP until the new one comes out. But here's my dilemma...are we only waiting for a minor update before a radical design change for the MBPs six months from now? We know that the new update will have the Penyrns (T9500 is a must). We are sure to get the multi-touch. But really...this is all very minor. Is anyone in agreement with me that there are two HUGE features that we must have to truly have a 'technologically' up-to-date machine.....are BluRay and the SSD drive options? The other stuff...like keyboards..multitouch...LEDs (which it already has..I think) are really insignificant. Feel free to set me straight if I'm wrong.

 

[timimbo85]

I'm a 'soon-to-be' mac switcher from the PC world. The only problem is, I can't logically buy a MBP until the new one comes out. But here's my dilemma...are we only waiting for a minor update before a radical design change for the MBPs six months from now? We know that the new update will have the Penyrns (T9500 is a must). We are sure to get the multi-touch. But really...this is all very minor. Is anyone in agreement with me that there are two HUGE features that we must have to truly have a 'technologically' up-to-date machine.....are BluRay and the SSD drive options? The other stuff...like keyboards..multitouch...LEDs (which it already has..I think) are really insignificant. Feel free to set me straight if I'm wrong.

Thats a good question. But I dont think they would update the old design with little stuff like you mentioned. It is pointless especially with the redesign of the MBA. I think its an all or nothing deal, they updated in June of last year without a redesign. I think its a complete overall

 

[cnote678]

As much as as I wish for something like that (both of them), with the way Apple is going, it seems nothing but that: Wishful thinking.

First they nix the firewire in the iPods. Next they try leaving FW800 out of the MBP's (they did that at one time), and now they have come up with the Airbook – a computer entirely without ports (well, about the same amount of ports as the iPod: A single USB, no firewire, no expresscard, no: A single USB port),
Not to mention their shift of focus to consumer products overall the last four years: iLife, Garageband, iPods, iPhone, and Airbook.

With that in mind, I think it will only get worse. Even though I'm hoping they will put my words to shame, and refocus, I really do think I am right in this: We will see an even further move towards the average consumer, forcing the pros to reinvest in pro apps on windows, eventually shifting entirely. Apple are fast becoming a joke in this sense.

My bet is that they will take cues – all the wrong ones - from their Airbook, such as the tapering sides, using the worst shape possible, so they have to make workarounds to fit ports, if they don't choose to leave them out. And the ports to go first are the ports the pros use: Expresscard, Ethernet, FW400 and not least the FW800-port.

There is no way they'd introduce FW3200 in anything. Ever. They're moving away from firewire – especially with the introduction of their high powered USB port.

I think you're being a little pessimistic, even harsh. I think Apple is actually doing the opposite of what you're saying. Okay, so they've optimized the iPod for general consumers, but who really buys the iPod? The public. Kids, teens, parents with money who want music. People who don't even know what Firewire is. And, who's really going to buy the Air? Someone with lots of money and a very specific need, like light and minimalist. And even though they're heavily marketing the Air, they know it's not going to sell at nearly the rate of the MB or MBP. It's not the new standard, just a different market.

But think of this: what did Apple compromise on the new Mac Pro? Nothing. Feel free to set me straight, but Apple knows the only people who'll be buying the Mac Pro are people who need true PRO performance, and that's all it is. Apple also knows that the only people who are going to buy the MBP are people who need Pro-level performance. To make the MBP un-Pro would hurt their sales because the 'average consumers' that you accuse Apple of catering to(those with non-pro needs) don't want to shell out the extra cash for the MBP. I don't expect the compromises to the MBP that you do-I expect Apple to come through with flying colors.

 

[Tosser]

I think you're being a little pessimistic, even harsh. I think Apple is actually doing the opposite of what you're saying. Okay, so they've optimized the iPod for general consumers, but who really buys the iPod? The public. Kids, teens, parents with money who want music. People who don't even know what Firewire is. And, who's really going to buy the Air? Someone with lots of money and a very specific need, like light and minimalist. And even though they're heavily marketing the Air, they know it's not going to sell at nearly the rate of the MB or MBP. It's not the new standard, just a different market.

Not entirely. Yes, the MBP is certainly targeted for the pro market, but as they at one point removed the FW-port, you cannot state that "the MBPs are a different market, so they would never drop firewire".
I'll get back to the price of the Airbook.

But think of this: what did Apple compromise on the new Mac Pro? Nothing. Feel free to set me straight, but Apple knows the only people who'll be buying the Mac Pro are people who need true PRO performance, and that's all it is.

There's a huge difference between a desktop and a laptop. And I'm not really a desktop guy, so I wouldn't know about the Mac Pro. I really can't see the relevance here.

Apple also knows that the only people who are going to buy the MBP are people who need Pro-level performance.

And people who like the bigger screen, like a matte screen, and/or want better sound, or simply want bragging rights, as is obvious from reading these forums.

To make the MBP un-Pro would hurt their sales because the 'average consumers' that you accuse Apple of catering to(those with non-pro needs) don't want to shell out the extra cash for the MBP. I don't expect the compromises to the MBP that you do-I expect Apple to come through with flying colors.

This brings me to the price of the Airbook: It's almost the same as the MBP, and on these very forums you see people shelling out the cash for what is a very basic low end (features-wise) consumer product. Many people that buys the MBP don't need all these ports, they buy it for other reasons (the matte screen being a real deal-maker for at least four of my friends), and as such, with apples recent refocus on the lowest common denominator and "nixing" basic feaatures and firewire on several products, I don't see anything pointing in any other direction than what I claim: Just because it's called MB PRO, doesn't mean it's comparable to the Mac Pro.

Hell, I wouldn't even be surprised if the next MBP-revision had glossy screen as standard, and matte as a build-to-order. They would still sell tons of the glossy ones. Bragging rights and movie watching consumers would think that was a "step forward".

 

[cnote678]

Not entirely. Yes, the MBP is certainly targeted for the pro market, but as they at one point removed the FW-port, you cannot state that "the MBPs are a different market, so they would never drop firewire".

I'll get back to the price of the Airbook.

There's a huge difference between a desktop and a laptop. And I'm not really a desktop guy, so I wouldn't know about the Mac Pro. I really can't see the relevance here.

This brings me to the price of the Airbook: It's almost the same as the MBP, and on these very forums you see people shelling out the cash for what is a very basic low end (features-wise) consumer product. Many people that buys the MBP don't need all these ports, they buy it for other reasons (the matte screen being a real deal-maker for at least four of my friends), and as such, with apples recent refocus on the lowest common denominator and "nixing" basic feaatures and firewire on several products, I don't see anything pointing in any other direction than what I claim: Just because it's called MB PRO, doesn't mean it's comparable to the Mac Pro.

Hell, I wouldn't even be surprised if the next MBP-revision had glossy screen as standard, and matte as a build-to-order. They would still sell tons of the glossy ones. Bragging rights and movie watching consumers would think that was a "step forward".

The relevance here is just that Apple is delivering a pro-level product, under the pro name, to people with pro needs. No parallel between desktop and laptop, just the fact that Pro name=meets pro needs.

I'm not saying they'll drop or include any number of ports-they'd rather sell you a $40 adapter. If you want the port and it isn't on the new one, configure another kind of laptop.

The Air is selling to most because of its 'cool factor', not its functionality. Most people don't need it for what it was 'designed' for, but it's cool and it's Apple and people with money and little regard for specs want it. And if your friends are buying the MBP just because of the matte option, they could also buy any other brand. Many people get built-to-order anyway-it's not a huge drawback, shipping's free.

I still think we will find that the new MBP will meet pro-level needs. But if the new MBP turns out to be disappointing to you, and if you want to be able to walk into the store and buy a computer with a matte screen, and if it's not up to par with your pro needs, buy something else. I'm just saying I doubt you'll need to.

 

[Tosser]

The relevance here is just that Apple is delivering a pro-level product, under the pro name, to people with pro needs. No parallel between desktop and laptop, just the fact that Pro name=meets pro needs.

Sigh …

What I'm trying to tell you is that the pro monicker is just that: A monicker. As an example I told you that Apple at one point ditched the FW800 on the MBP, yet retained the monicker "pro". That doesn't mean pros don't use FW800, it means apple still called it a "pro" machine, although they nixed a port some pros use. There is nothing to stop them nixing further ports.

I'm not saying they'll drop or include any number of ports-they'd rather sell you a $40 adapter. If you want the port and it isn't on the new one, configure another kind of laptop.

Indeed, but that doesn't seem to be the discussion at hand, now does it?

The Air is selling to most because of its 'cool factor', not its functionality. Most people don't need it for what it was 'designed' for, but it's cool and it's Apple and people with money and little regard for specs want it.

Yes, just like some people buy the MBP for the same reasons.

And if your friends are buying the MBP just because of the matte option, they could also buy any other brand.

First of all, you know I was talking about choosing the MBP over the MB. Not that their only criterion was a matte screen. Don't act that stupid, just so you can continue with your strawman argument. You know, as well as anyone else, that it's not easy shifting work processes to another platform. But you still – when discussing whether Apple will continue to give pro features on their laptops - tell people that they can buy another computer? Give me a break, will you?

Many people get built-to-order anyway-it's not a huge drawback, shipping's free.

I am talking about the shift of focus, do you _still_ not get that? If the MBP only comes with a matte screen BTO, it shows that they have shifted focus, even on the MBPs, to the consumer, not the professional. It shouldn't be that hard to understand. It's not bloody rocket science.

I still think we will find that the new MBP will meet pro-level needs. But if the new MBP turns out to be disappointing to you, and if you want to be able to walk into the store and buy a computer with a matte screen, and if it's not up to par with your pro needs, buy something else. I'm just saying I doubt you'll need to.

And here it is in full glory: Your strawman argument. Although repetitive, it's not easy shifting platforms, especially not as a professional. Secondly, we were discussing the shift of focus from catering to the pros to suddenly catering first and foremost to the consumers, nixing pro features in the process. Third, it's not about "being able to walk into a shop and buy a matte screen", it's about the _shift_ in focus and how that will affect the future on using macs professionally.

I am truly sorry you cannot see, how that might worry someone who does more with their computer than write, blog, play with iPhoto and connect the damn thing to a projector.

 

[cnote678]

Sigh …

What I'm trying to tell you is that the pro monicker is just that: A monicker. As an example I told you that Apple at one point ditched the FW800 on the MBP, yet retained the monicker "pro". That doesn't mean pros don't use FW800, it means apple still called it a "pro" machine, although they nixed a port some pros use. There is nothing to stop them nixing further ports.

First of all, you know I was talking about choosing the MBP over the MB.

You know, as well as anyone else, that it's not easy shifting work processes to another platform. But you still – when discussing whether Apple will continue to give pro features on their laptops - tell people that they can buy another computer? Give me a break, will you?

I am talking about the shift of focus, do you _still_ not get that? If the MBP only comes with a matte screen BTO, it shows that they have shifted focus, even on the MBPs, to the consumer, not the professional. It shouldn't be that hard to understand. It's not bloody rocket science.

Although repetitive, it's not easy shifting platforms, especially not as a professional. Secondly, we were discussing the shift of focus from catering to the pros to suddenly catering first and foremost to the consumers, nixing pro features in the process. Third, it's not about "being able to walk into a shop and buy a matte screen", it's about the _shift_ in focus and how that will affect the future on using macs professionally.

I am truly sorry you cannot see, how that might worry someone who does more with their computer than write, blog, play with iPhoto and connect the damn thing to a projector.

Well, I can't honestly say that I know all the difficulties of switching platforms 'as a professional' because I don't know what your criterion for 'professional' is. And I was never clear about the fact that the decision focused exclusively on whether to buy a MBP over a MB. But, given the significant overall spec increase, I'm doing just that(even if all I do is 'write, blog, play with iPhoto and plug the damn thing into a projector').

The reason I suggested buying another computer so many times is that you can't seem to cope with the 'worry' you have about switching platforms because of the shift in focus. I'm just saying that, worry as you may, if the new MBP doesn't meet your needs you'll have to switch.

I'm sorry if I've 'seriously offended' or 'alarmed' you, or maybe just reflected the fact that the MBP is a good option for more than just 'professionals'. And, my main point in the end of all this is that okay, there's no FW800 on the current model, but that in my personal opinion the new MBP won't be so disappointing that you'll have to consider switching platforms. Time will tell-let me know what you think of it when it comes out.

 

[Tosser]

Well, I can't honestly say that I know all the difficulties of switching platforms 'as a professional' because I don't know what your criterion for 'professional' is.

My criterion for a professional (no need to use the apostrophes) in this context is someone that of course use their computer for work, but also use certain apps and perhaps equipment that are specific to his or her workflow.

And I was never clear about the fact that the decision focused exclusively on whether to buy a MBP over a MB.

It did when we talked about the matte screens. It's about context, and I have a hard time believing you're not misinterpreting on purpose.

But, given the significant overall spec increase, I'm doing just that(even if all I do is 'write, blog, play with iPhoto and plug the damn thing into a projector').

And with that statement, you're actually agreeing with me. That some people buy the MBP even though they have no need to. Even though they're not "pros" – which, btw, is quite the opposite of what you stated earlied.
And with that admission, your argument that "Apple will never nix ports etc. on the MBP as that is for the pro segment that needs pro features" doesn't really hold water. And that is the whole problem. There are enough people out there that buy that thing, and would still buy it, even if it Apple decided to nix the "pro" features. And with Apples recent history, that is indeed worrisome when one does need those ports.

The reason I suggested buying another computer so many times is that you can't seem to cope with the 'worry' you have about switching platforms because of the shift in focus. I'm just saying that, worry as you may, if the new MBP doesn't meet your needs you'll have to switch.

Of course I "will have to" switch, if Apple doesn't provide the hardware. What are you? Thick? Seriously, that's like saying "if you get kicked out of your apartment, you'll have to move". No ****, Einstein! Did you figure that one out by yourself?

If you have problems understanding why it's not exactly a great situation, you ought to read the first couple of paragraphs again.


I'm sorry if I've 'seriously offended' or 'alarmed' you, or maybe just reflected the fact that the MBP is a good option for more than just 'professionals'. And, my main point in the end of all this is that okay, there's no FW800 on the current model, but that in my personal opinion the new MBP won't be so disappointing that you'll have to consider switching platforms. Time will tell-let me know what you think of it when it comes out.[/QUOTE]

 

[PVProductions]

To make the MBP un-Pro would hurt their sales because the 'average consumers' that you accuse Apple of catering to(those with non-pro needs) don't want to shell out the extra cash for the MBP. I don't expect the compromises to the MBP that you do-I expect Apple to come through with flying colors..

I Guess that I'm hanging out with the wrong "average consumers". I have 7 friends that own and use 17" MBP's. They all have glossy screens, and they use them to watch movies, TV Shows, and hook them up to surround systems at home when they are using them as part of their Home Entertainment Systems. Oh! They use them for Word and email too. And you won't find one of them reading or posting in this forum.

I too have stayed away from user forums for having a busy life. But I recently bought a new car and needed some user info and found it on the BMW M5BOARD (m5board.com). So I figured, I need a faster MBP what gives? And found my way here. Thanks to every one of you for taking your time to help me waste some of my time. At least this way I can keep from going crazy with other good people whom are also waiting for a new, improved MBP.

I use my MacPro's and G5's for editing and as a render farm. I can use my MBP for some editing but mostly use it for capturing. We take a truck load of equipment out in field to shoot, so whats 1 or 2 more Mac Pro's or G5's to take along to capture full uncompressed HD using either the Kona 2 or 3 capture cards. The main reason I moved to the AJA IO HD for capture had to do with file size and the convince of laptops. One hour of uncompressed 10Bit 1080p 24 takes 482GBytes. The Pro Res HQ codec gives me a visually lossless capture of 10Bit 1080p 24 while taking only 93.33 GBytes per hour of footage captured. And the IO HD was designed with the Apple MBP in mind. And I need some comfortable head space above the minimums.

Now when I fly somewhere for pleasure I could grab a 15", but instead I take one of my 17" MBP's. I do so because I like the BIG screen. And although I can edit on my MBP, I can not edit with the expediency of my Mac Pro/G5 setup. Two completely different worlds. Maybe one day I will be able to edit expediently in full HD (1920x1080 Progressive) on a MBP.

On ending, and after some considerable thinking, let me add this. Apple worked closely with AJA in the development of the IO HD. It uses the Apple ProRes codec in hardware. It can up convert, down and cross convert, anything HD/SD/ntsc/pal to anything HD/SD/ntsc/pal using the ProRes codec, and all in real time. I can have any 2 or three resolutions being displayed at the same time using HDMI, YUV, RGB, YC, SDI and/or composite outputs/inputs. I was told that I would be able to get a next gen MBP from apple sometime in early January 08. When I called AJA today I was told that my waiting had to do with Intel and not just Apple. The person I spoke with, someone I trust, said that he could not give me any more information than he already did. He also said that he had already said more than he should have.

I don't know who else here knows what might be going on with Intel and their new chips. I will take the time when I have the time to go over the entire thread. But until then, anyone know what gives with Intel getting the necessary chips to Apple China?

A good day to all---I thank you.

Carmine

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Titanium 667 Mhz--4 Apple 23" displays--2 HP 30" displays
Home grown 20TB Raid O + 1 with (10TB R0 Mirrored to 10TB R0)

 

[koshper]

make love, not war

'Tosser' I can't help but feel like you have a major issue with something that hasn't happened yet.

This discussion would be much more enjoyable had the product actually been released and you were then giving your critique of said item and how you felt apple were changing direction.

At the moment you're second guessing apple and then criticizing them for the next step they haven't even made yet.

If you have to have this conversation why have it in a thread where people are guessing a specific launch date for a new product, why not create a new one about 'Apple's so called pro line" or something similar, you may then get more opinions some of which may agree with what you're saying.

I only stumbled upon this thread as I was curious why it's still active since the 12th has now passed.

 

[Tosser]

I Guess that I'm hanging out with the wrong "average consumers". I have 7 friends that own and use 17" MBP's. They all have glossy screens, and they use them to watch movies, TV Shows, and hook them up to surround systems at home when they are using them as part of their Home Entertainment Systems. Oh! They use them for Word and email too. And you won't find one of them reading or posting in this forum.

Weird. You seem to think you're disagreeing with me somehow. However, the quote you just, well, quoted me for wasn't me saying that.

But that use you describe is exactly why I think Apple might go glossy, nix ports and so forth on the MBP's. And that might be a problem for those people actually needing specific ports, a matte screen and so forth.

I use my MacPro's and G5's for editing and as a render farm. I can use my MBP for some editing but mostly use it for capturing. We take a truck load of equipment out in field to shoot, so whats 1 or 2 more Mac Pro's or G5's to take along to capture full uncompressed HD using either the Kona 2 or 3 capture cards. The main reason I moved to the AJA IO HD for capture had to do with file size and the convince of laptops. One hour of uncompressed 10Bit 1080p 24 takes 482GBytes. The Pro Res HQ codec gives me a visually lossless capture of 10Bit 1080p 24 while taking only 93.33 GBytes per hour of footage captured. And the IO HD was designed with the Apple MBP in mind. And I need some comfortable head space above the minimums.

Hmm, most of that is about hardcore oomph (rendering and so forth). That is not what I'm worried about at all: When I'm out in the field I don't want a glossy screen to reflect all the surroundings while I work, and I DO want to be able to use my equipment. If not, I could be carrying the brute force of the Mac Pro, but what's the use if it just sits there with no way decent, fast way of getting the ENG in there?

Now when I fly somewhere for pleasure I could grab a 15", but instead I take one of my 17" MBP's. I do so because I like the BIG screen. And although I can edit on my MBP, I can not edit with the expediency of my Mac Pro/G5 setup. Two completely different worlds. Maybe one day I will be able to edit expediently in full HD (1920x1080 Progressive) on a MBP.

Good for you. I don't see the relevance exactly, when responding to my post, though.
And further, you mention you having several 17"'ers, a 15 incher and whatnot (what's the point in having that many portables?) – Who cares how many 17'ers and 15'inchers, mac pros and G5's you have?

On ending, and after some considerable thinking, let me add this. Apple worked closely with AJA in the development of the IO HD. It uses the Apple ProRes codec in hardware. It can up convert, down and cross convert, anything HD/SD/ntsc/pal to anything HD/SD/ntsc/pal using the ProRes codec, and all in real time. I can have any 2 or three resolutions being displayed at the same time using HDMI, YUV, RGB, YC, SDI and/or composite outputs/inputs.

Absolutely no relevance, unless you think that the only thing a "pro" needs is the above, or that being a pro automatically means "video editing"?

I was told that I would be able to get a next gen MBP from apple sometime in early January 08. When I called AJA today I was told that my waiting had to do with Intel and not just Apple. The person I spoke with, someone I trust, said that he could not give me any more information than he already did. He also said that he had already said more than he should have.

That I believe.

 

[Tosser]

'Tosser' I can't help but feel like you have a major issue with something that hasn't happened yet.

I was airing a concern, but when doing so, people reacted very strongly to it. So of course I argue my position. What the hell do you expect on a forum? You'd prefer I would just cheer and go "yes! it's great, I hpe apple comes out with a glossy screen MBP" as have been said amongst other things? I see your point: It would be much nicer if people were all just back padders, clapping hands whenever apple introduces something. But the reality is, Apple has shown that they are willing to cripple their products to the extreme to cater to the lowest common denominator. And you wonder why I'm concerned?

This discussion would be much more enjoyable had the product actually been released and you were then giving your critique of said item and how you felt apple were changing direction.

Yes, I get it now. Since the products aren't out yet, all that should be allowed is cheering for Apple. You've made yourself clear, and it's noted.

At the moment you're second guessing apple and then criticizing them for the next step they haven't even made yet.

Sure I'm second guessing apple, just like anyone that speculate what the next iPhone, iPod, 10.5.2, MBP might offer. It's a rumor site, for christssake. Of course we. But unlike some, I have shown how apple is actively crippling many of their other products, catering more and more to the average consumer. Excuse me for not cheering.

If you have to have this conversation why have it in a thread where people are guessing a specific launch date for a new product, why not create a new one about 'Apple's so called pro line" or something similar, you may then get more opinions some of which may agree with what you're saying.

You're continueing with your hypocrisy: Go back and read those threads. People are doing the exact same thing as I all the way through. Only difference is that they're overly optimistic and will applaud anything Apple throws at them.

I only stumbled upon this thread as I was curious why it's still active since the 12th has now passed.

Well, thanks for your input then.

 

[PVProductions]

I think you're being a little pessimistic, even harsh. I think Apple is actually doing the opposite of what you're saying. Okay, so they've optimized the iPod for general consumers, but who really buys the iPod? The public. Kids, teens, parents with money who want music. People who don't even know what Firewire is. And, who's really going to buy the Air? Someone with lots of money and a very specific need, like light and minimalist. And even though they're heavily marketing the Air, they know it's not going to sell at nearly the rate of the MB or MBP. It's not the new standard, just a different market.

Now I cant really help myself. Who buys the iPod? Like who doesn't? An over generalization on my part I'm sure, but I will admit it. I have been using ipods for pro audio capture for years. I have also used them to move images off of my cameras memory cards many times over. There are times when I need small. I own 3 HDR-HC3 Sony camcorders, and use three iPods for audio when I need to work in small places. I recently set up two ipods with microphones and two HDR-HC3's inside a race car. The situation needed something small and reliable to get the shots we needed. And we capture audio in camera as well as in a secondary source for backup. Many other Pro's like myself use iPods for these reasons. And I have over $1,000,000,00 in equipment. And there are times I can use a $10,000.00 audio mixer recorder, and then there are times when only the iPod will do.

I just thought you might want to know something you didn't yet know. You have been misinformed. I am just letting others whom have read your post, or this part of your post, know that Pro's DO use iPods for audio capture in a PRO environment when necessary. Or when the situation doesn't have the necessary budget to use higher end tools. I am not going to use a $170,000.00 camera setup when the budget is not there to justify it. That is why we have lower end equipment as well. You use the tool that is going to work for the situation and for the budget. In fact, I just started to use an iPod for music using the Apple lossless audio codec, (My ears can not handle the mangled sound of highly compressed audio) in my new BMW M5. It has a place for it. So I figured, why not?

One more thing I want to add. When I am not busy being a Producer, Director, a cinematographer, editor, sound man / Reads Pro, I am busy being a parent, hanging out with the Kids, or, in short being a person. A human being who wears many different hats. Father, Pro, Kid, Music lover, Movie Lover, Lover, race car driver, speed boater, teacher, chef, and so on. People don't just occupy a singular context in life. They instead operate across many different contexts. I use an iPod as a Pro. And now, just this month, started using an iPod in my car. I have never had a personal use for the iPod until now. Although I can say with certainty that for many years now I have been a member of "the public". So too have many others pro's I know in my business. They are members of "the public" and they use the iPod professionally. I am sorry that you were unaware of this fact.

At first I was taken back by your telling me that I don't use the iPod professionally. But as I was writing this I came to the conclusion that I can't fault you for what you hadn't yet learned. I am happy to have had to opportunity to provide this information. I only hope that I was able to do so without offending you. If I did, well that was not my intent.

Stay well,

Carmine

Products

G4 Mirrored doors
2 quad G5's 2.5 and 2.7 with 8gig Ram
MacPro Quad 3.0 16gig Ram 6TB hard drive internal
MBP's 17" 2.33, 2.16 and 3 15" 2.0
Titanium 667 Mhz--4 Apple 23" displays--2 HP 30" displays
Home grown 20TB Raid O + 1 with (10TB R0 Mirrored to 10TB R0)

 

[PVProductions]

Good for you. I don't see the relevance exactly, when responding to my post, though.
And further, you mention you having several 17"'ers, a 15 incher and whatnot (what's the point in having that many portables?) – Who cares how many 17'ers and 15'inchers, mac pros and G5's you have?
.

The point is simple. When in the recent past I would capture in either 8 Bit DVCPro HD codec, and/or the apple intermediate codec I would go directly through a laptop to a hard drive using firewire. This way I am not spending hours on end capturing from tape to hard drive as it is already there. When you set up five cameras it takes five laptops. Got it? Now the point of going over the IO HD was this. It was designed to work with the NEXT GEN laptops. The release dates were intended to be in a six month time frame. The IO HD, then the newer MBP. They were late by 3 months with IO HD. The IO HD is designed to eliminate the use of uncompressed HD in most contexts by offering a visually lossless 10Bit 4:22 HQ codec that will enable full on editing on a NEXT GEN MBP. That is why I am at a lost as to why they have yet to release the new MBP. If you really care to know. I was just responding to a part of your post. The rest was not about you at all. It was more about speaking to others. You are not that important. Just like this post is really not for you, but more to answer a question you so sarcastically posed. I don't want to spend my time with people like you.

Absolutely no relevance, unless you think that the only thing a "pro" needs is the above, or that being a pro automatically means "video editing"?

Now you could have said I don't see the relevance. Or how is this relevant? But no, in your all knowing you can only through out what I wrote only because it didn't fit what you knew. If you you care the entire paragraph is to say that the IO HD was made work with the Next gen MBP. That it is odd that I have the IO HD's but the new MBP is not yet here. But you don't care about what I was wanting to communicate. All you care about is being right. Period.

People can disagree without attacking, being mean, nasty or cruel. Too bad for you that you have failed to learn this. You have to live with you, I don't. In fact I don't even want to post in the same user forum as you. There is enough cruelty in this world that I am going to looking for some more.

I will post the following for others. You don't even have to read it.
As for what it means to be a Pro, I am sure many different things to many different people. But I can only speak to what I do, what it means to me. And And what I mean when I say I use computers as a Pro I am saying that I use them for image editing, 2D and 3D creation and composition, rendering. For writing, emailing, building web sites. For authoring DVD's, compressing, and transcoding images and video, for research, for audio creation. Audio mixing. For audio editing. I use computers for capturing video, audio, still photo's. For printing photos. For advertising, creating billboards, for video conferencing. There is so much that goes into running my own business that I, as a professional, use my computer for.

With this post I bid the group fair well. I am looking for fair, honest, interesting discussion. That maybe others out here might share what I am interested in learning. Or maybe I could offer something useful. I put out what I do, the equipment I have so that maybe I will connect others whom are like minded. Not to be attacked by some small minded personality. I have other things to do with my time. This is only the tenth time I have posted in any forum. Period.

I am out of here for good. It was worth the try though. But little did I know how better off I am staying away from craziness.

I bid you farewell,

Carmine

Products

G4 Mirrored doors
2 quad G5's 2.5 and 2.7 with 8gig Ram
MacPro Quad 3.0 16gig Ram 6TB hard drive internal
MBP's 17" 2.33, 2.16 and 3 15" 2.0
Titanium 667 Mhz--4 Apple 23" displays--2 HP 30" displays
Home grown 20TB Raid O + 1 with (10TB R0 Mirrored to 10TB R0)

 

[i3iz]

Carmine, You kind of come across as pompous. Living in Orange County i have met many people that are very materialistic. By that I mean; about their possessions. They define who they are. M5, Speedboater, 12 computers, 20 terabytes, etc... It all kind of reeks of a constant one-up-manship. Humility can be learned, but the materialistic nature must die first. If not for your wife, do it for your kids. They want a dad, not the best bike/car.

 

[cnote678]

Now I cant really help myself. Who buys the iPod? Like who doesn't? An over generalization on my part I'm sure, but I will admit it. I have been using ipods for pro audio capture for years. I have also used them to move images off of my cameras memory cards many times over. There are times when I need small. I own 3 HDR-HC3 Sony camcorders, and use three iPods for audio when I need to work in small places. I recently set up two ipods with microphones and two HDR-HC3's inside a race car. The situation needed something small and reliable to get the shots we needed. And we capture audio in camera as well as in a secondary source for backup. Many other Pro's like myself use iPods for these reasons. And I have over $1,000,000,00 in equipment. And there are times I can use a $10,000.00 audio mixer recorder, and then there are times when only the iPod will do.

I just thought you might want to know something you didn't yet know. You have been misinformed. I am just letting others whom have read your post, or this part of your post, know that Pro's DO use iPods for audio capture in a PRO environment when necessary. Or when the situation doesn't have the necessary budget to use higher end tools. I am not going to use a $170,000.00 camera setup when the budget is not there to justify it. That is why we have lower end equipment as well. You use the tool that is going to work for the situation and for the budget. In fact, I just started to use an iPod for music using the Apple lossless audio codec, (My ears can not handle the mangled sound of highly compressed audio) in my new BMW M5. It has a place for it. So I figured, why not?

One more thing I want to add. When I am not busy being a Producer, Director, a cinematographer, editor, sound man / Reads Pro, I am busy being a parent, hanging out with the Kids, or, in short being a person. A human being who wears many different hats. Father, Pro, Kid, Music lover, Movie Lover, Lover, race car driver, speed boater, teacher, chef, and so on. People don't just occupy a singular context in life. They instead operate across many different contexts. I use an iPod as a Pro. And now, just this month, started using an iPod in my car. I have never had a personal use for the iPod until now. Although I can say with certainty that for many years now I have been a member of "the public". So too have many others pro's I know in my business. They are members of "the public" and they use the iPod professionally. I am sorry that you were unaware of this fact.

At first I was taken back by your telling me that I don't use the iPod professionally. But as I was writing this I came to the conclusion that I can't fault you for what you hadn't yet learned. I am happy to have had to opportunity to provide this information. I only hope that I was able to do so without offending you. If I did, well that was not my intent.

Stay well,

Carmine

Products

G4 Mirrored doors
2 quad G5's 2.5 and 2.7 with 8gig Ram
MacPro Quad 3.0 16gig Ram 6TB hard drive internal
MBP's 17" 2.33, 2.16 and 3 15" 2.0
Titanium 667 Mhz--4 Apple 23" displays--2 HP 30" displays
Home grown 20TB Raid O + 1 with (10TB R0 Mirrored to 10TB R0)

Wow. Carmine, if you ever happen to read this, I never intended to imply that you or anyone else didn't use the iPod professionally. I personally am really impressed with the range of professional uses for the iPod-I think it says a lot about Apple and their products that people with such specific and high-level needs can employ the use of such a common device for that task. Also, I'm grateful for the true insight to a higher echelon of Apple product uses-I definitely had no idea that things like the iPod were that useful. It is people like you, using Apple products at the highest(and most impressive) level, that make me believe(and try to argue with people like Tosser) that Apple won't let down the Pro's out there with the new MBP.

In conclusion, for people who are going to use the new MBP for word, movies and a home entertainment system, and for those who will be using them to directly capture hours of 1080p: here's to another Tuesday! Come on !

 

[vancouvermacguy]

fyi

Called Apple on Wednesday and the sales guy informed me that the big event planned for the end of February has absolutely nothing to do with an update to their line of computers. So, if nothing comes next Tuesday (Feb 19th) then I think I'll just buy an existing MBP and if it's obsolete come March/April then so be it.

Perhaps this guy just wanted me to buy on the spot, so take it for what it's worth.

 

[UMHurricanes34]

Tosser...I really don't want to get involved in this debate...but you're basing your conspiracy theory and worries off of the fact that Apple made a ultra-thin, nearly completely impractical for normal use notebook and omitted a port on their Pro laptop?

Their shift towards the consumer is an obvious one. It's what makes them money. Without money, they can't make anything.


That being said, I still have faith that they'll remain faithful to the Pro user and wont give us the shaft anytime soon.

We'll see in a couple weeks.

 

[Tosser]

Tosser...I really don't want to get involved in this debate...but you're basing your conspiracy theory and worries off of the fact that Apple made a ultra-thin, nearly completely impractical for normal use notebook and omitted a port on their Pro laptop?

First of all, I think you should look up the definition of conspiracy theories, before you accuse people of such a thing. Secondly, I am not basing it on them making a tapered machine. I am basing it on numerous things, which I have explained numerous times: They nixed FW800 at one time on the MBP's, they nixed firewire on the iPods, they nixed disk mode on their newest touch, they're butt slow to comeout with updates and bug fixes for their pro apps, they were very slow updating their Mac Pros and so forth. That is not a conspiracy theory at all. That is fact. At the same time, they have focused on the iPod and the iPhone, introduced glossy screens on the MBs, with no choice of a matte one, introduced a bto-glossy on their MBPs and so forth. And yes, they have also introduced the aluminium Airbook, with just one port.

With that attitude, my worry is to what extreme will they take that thinking. How much will they handicap their machines? That is not conspiracy theory at all.

Their shift towards the consumer is an obvious one. It's what makes them money. Without money, they can't make anything.

Ah, yes, poor, poor Apple. They have to disregard the pros, because otherwise they wouldn't be making any money. How far from reality do you really think that is? Seriously, do you think they would make less money, if they made an untralight that actualy had some ports? Do you think they would lose money if they included disc mode on the iTouch or had decent features on the iPhone? The list goes on.

That being said, I still have faith that they'll remain faithful to the Pro user and wont give us the shaft anytime soon.

We'll see in a couple weeks.

Propably, but this is not "just" about the next MBP. It's about the entire line of thought.

 

[Tosser]

The point is simple. When in the recent past I would capture in either 8 Bit DVCPro HD codec, and/or the apple intermediate codec I would go directly through a laptop to a hard drive using firewire. This way I am not spending hours on end capturing from tape to hard drive as it is already there. When you set up five cameras it takes five laptops. Got it? Now the point of going over the IO HD was this. It was designed to work with the NEXT GEN laptops. The release dates were intended to be in a six month time frame. The IO HD, then the newer MBP. They were late by 3 months with IO HD. The IO HD is designed to eliminate the use of uncompressed HD in most contexts by offering a visually lossless 10Bit 4:22 HQ codec that will enable full on editing on a NEXT GEN MBP. That is why I am at a lost as to why they have yet to release the new MBP. If you really care to know.

Like that. I see you point. Sorry, but I'm in a different niche than you, so my "geek speak" is different than yours, you see.

I was just responding to a part of your post. The rest was not about you at all.

Ah, I see. You were nowhere near being clear on that.

It was more about speaking to others. You are not that important. Just like this post is really not for you, but more to answer a question you so sarcastically posed. I don't want to spend my time with people like you.

Aren't you a nice fellow: First you respond to a post, bragging about all the hardware you have (yawn), and then, when you discover that the person you responded to really aren't interested in the details of all your computers and renderfarm, all f a sudden it's "people like you", and you don't want to talk to someone like that? You certainly come off as sympathetic. I must give you that.

Now you could have said I don't see the relevance. Or how is this relevant? But no, in your all knowing you can only through out what I wrote only because it didn't fit what you knew.

No, that is an utterly wrong assumption. I did that because you quoted me, and thereby you responded to me. Now, I know you're saying (now), that the rest wasn't for me, and now you claim that it's just because it didn't "fit" what I knew, and that I should have asked instead – in essence demanding I somehow ask you, oh knowleadgeable one. But have you thought about your communications skill, before you demand I should put things as questions instead? How about you from the get-go made it clear that the rest of that post wasn't intended as a reply to me? You didn't, and hence all of it was read as a reply to the person you quoted – namely, me.

If you you care the entire paragraph is to say that the IO HD was made work with the Next gen MBP. That it is odd that I have the IO HD's but the new MBP is not yet here. But you don't care about what I was wanting to communicate. All you care about is being right. Period.

That's far from the truth. I do care that we have some proper tools at hand. You too. But the reality is, that what you wanted to communicate was lost somewhere in between geek speek and your need to tell how many computers you have. It's those communication skills again.

People can disagree without attacking, being mean, nasty or cruel. Too bad for you that you have failed to learn this.

Pot, kettle, black …

Besides, aren't you the drama queen? "Mean", "Nasty", "cruel"? Wow, you really should get out more, if you think I have been all that to you.

You have to live with you, I don't. In fact I don't even want to post in the same user forum as you. There is enough cruelty in this world that I am going to looking for some more.

Haha, you really are a drama queen who, by all accounts, seems to be easily offended, and when you are offended, you lash out. All through this post up until now, you have called me all sorts of things. All those accussations say a hell of lot more about you, than it says about me.

I will post the following for others. You don't even have to read it.

Hmm, I will anyway. It might be useful. It doesn't fit a (grown?) man to pout, you know …

With this post I bid the group fair well. I am looking for fair, honest, interesting discussion. That maybe others out here might share what I am interested in learning. Or maybe I could offer something useful. I put out what I do, the equipment I have so that maybe I will connect others whom are like minded. Not to be attacked by some small minded personality. I have other things to do with my time. This is only the tenth time I have posted in any forum. Period.

I am out of here for good. It was worth the try though. But little did I know how better off I am staying away from craziness.

I bid you farewell,

Carmine

Sheesh, and here I thought that those other two places I mentioned was you being a drama queen, but that one takes the cake. Not only are you completely overreacting, you're playing a victim to the extreme – this after a post where you have accused me of all sorts of things. What a joke.

Products

G4 Mirrored doors
2 quad G5's 2.5 and 2.7 with 8gig Ram
MacPro Quad 3.0 16gig Ram 6TB hard drive internal
MBP's 17" 2.33, 2.16 and 3 15" 2.0
Titanium 667 Mhz--4 Apple 23" displays--2 HP 30" displays
Home grown 20TB Raid O + 1 with (10TB R0 Mirrored to 10TB R0)

LOL, the mere thought that you copy/pasted this into the post after being all dramatic.