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Yeah, the whole fiasco really left a bad taste in my mouth. I ended up taking a ten-year break between a first-gen 2012 Retina MacBook Pro (which I exchanged for a Surface Pro 2 the following year) and my current M1 MacBook Air.
Same here, in 2016 I wanted to upgrade from a 2009 15” MBP. I visited the Apple Store on 4 separate occasions over 2 months to see if my feeling towards the keyboard and touchbar would change. Nope … and now I’m finally back with a 14” 2021 MBP which, albeit more expensive, is the no compromise laptop I’ve been waiting for. No regrets here.
 
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I had a 1st Gen 2016 MBP 15”, I did have to get the keyboard replaced once, so I guess I am in Class 2. Currently have a 16” M1, so I’ll accept Apple buying me a cup of coffee…
 
I had a 1st Gen 2016 MBP 15”, I did have to get the keyboard replaced once, so I guess I am in Class 2. Currently have a 16” M1, so I’ll accept Apple buying me a cup of coffee…
Where do you buy coffee? You get about $100-150. That's an expensive cup of of coffee...

I'm in class 2, so I will receive $300-400.
 
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They trial lawyers a new Gulfstream. You get enough for a happy meal or two. I love Class action suits.
 
My problem with Macs is that they could easily last 5-7 years with their efficient CPUs, specifications and good OS updates (and you're paying extra for this theoretical longevity), but due to these extremely expensive hardware flaws that pop up here and there, you can't trust them beyond the 3 year warranty or the 4 years that repair programs like these give you. So you might get lucky and have a Mac that works fine for 7 years, but you can never really hope for it. And it's always such a shame when a great computer that would have worked for you for another 4 years needs to go to the trash just because some tiny stupid flaw that you could have fixed with a spare part and a screwdriver if it was just a little bit better designed.

I think cars are a good comparison. You buy a car with say 5-7 years of warranty, but even after that you expect it to work for at least another 10 years. Sure you'll have to do repairs on it but none of those repairs are so expensive that you'll have to send the car to the junkyard. That only really happens if something goes terribly wrong or if the car is beyond 20 years old. I really wish computer companies tried to take that approach, to give you a machine that could work for a long time with maintenance.

How would that be a good business model?
 
As usual the lawyers will make millions and each person will probably get $15 or something
Well that's an issue with the judgement, not the lawyer. Just because a class action exists, this does not force you to participate. You can take your case in front of the law and argue for as much as you think you are owed.
 
I don't find it curious at all. Apple is like any corporation. They will deny fault, cover-up defective hardware, and avoid compensating consumers for selling unfit merchandise as long as they can. This maximizes profits. When the inevitable lawsuit manifests, the penalty will be paltry (e.g. $50M) compared to the profits they made selling defective computers.
And as this thread attests, most consumers will keep spending even after being treated poorly by the company. Such is the cult of Apple.
 
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Speakers die; get used to it. I will be heartbroken if (when) one of my original HomePods dies. Hopefully Apple will have a new full-size version before then.
They die within 48 months of being born? Nobody ever told me that. You must be special. I have 5 year old JBL crap that works fine beside me here……that cost 1/4 of the garbage HomePods
 
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Unless one is a hardcore Apple nerd, the chances of one previously knowing about a problem before purchase would be slim to none.

When I went in for my 2nd fix, Apple replaced my Mac with the next newer version. Slightly newer i5, and the Apple manager claimed the problem wouldn't reoccur due to a change in design. A few months later, I had the same issue.

This seems to have excluded me from the larger payment for 2+ repairs, because each of my 1 laptops only had 1 repair. I reached out to the law firm on this, since technically they replaced my 1st machine in lieu of repairing it a 2nd time.

The biggest problem with these Macs is the plummeting resale value. I am a buy and sell every 2-3 years customer and never took such a loss as this, but also never more glad to move onto the scissor switch design again.
 
Anyone able to advise where I stand:
  • I'm in the UK (so I assume excluded from this).
  • I've got a 15 inch 2019 MBP with the butterfly keyboard
  • I got a replacement battery under Apple Care a year or so ago and at the same time, they replaced the whole top section (I mentioned at the time that multiple keys were sticking and they said not to worry as it'd all be replaced anyway).
I assume we have no UK euivalent to this?
 
I have a 2016 model that has this issue then a logic board issue.

Got the keyboard fixed for free, paid for logic board and now I have the H key double pressing. I want to take it in but serious just feel like giving it to my nieces and then getting something new. But as they’re kids I’m sure they’ll have a similar issue down the line and it’ll be a costly fix.
 
Well that's an issue with the judgement, not the lawyer. Just because a class action exists, this does not force you to participate. You can take your case in front of the law and argue for as much as you think you are owed.
It’s not about the judgment, but rather the lawyer gets a significant portion of the initial amount. Whatever is left is tossed to people.

It’s more about how the system is set up. The system is set up where you have to fight with multi million dollar attorneys to get a settlement. No as an individual you cannot sue Apple or any large corporation without attorney. You will be laughed out of the courtroom. There’s an old saying that a man who is his own lawyer, has a fool for a client.
 
It’s not about the judgment, but rather the lawyer gets a significant portion of the initial amount. Whatever is left is tossed to people.
Lawyers are people. It seems to me, one here has convinced a company to award $50M when it was under absolutely no obligation to. How valuable is that skill in your estimation?
No as an individual you cannot sue Apple or any large corporation without attorney.
Yes you can.
You will be laughed out of the courtroom.
No you won't.
There’s an old saying that a man who is his own lawyer, has a fool for a client.
That's because most people don't understand the law and thus bring frivolous cases or reach rediculous ex-ante assessments as you have done above.

I can tell you, given the explicit warranty Apple has you sign acknowledging your understanding of when you purchase an expensive item from them, and which they honor rigorously, you're going to be very much fighting against caveat emptor for anything beyond that.

Of course, the correct action is to do more research next time, purchase an extended warranty/insurance, and/or stop purchasing from companies that you feel have provided poor value for money in the past.
 
It’s not about the judgment, but rather the lawyer gets a significant portion of the initial amount. Whatever is left is tossed to people.
Lawyers are people. It seems to me, one here has convinced a company to award $50M when it was under absolutely no obligation to. How valuable is that skill in your estimation?
No as an individual you cannot sue Apple or any large corporation without attorney.
Yes you can.
You will be laughed out of the courtroom.
No you won't.
There’s an old saying that a man who is his own lawyer, has a fool for a client.
That's because most people don't understand the law and thus bring frivolous cases or reach rediculous ex-ante assessments as you have done above.

I can tell you, given the explicit warranty Apple has you sign acknowledging your understanding of when you purchase an expensive item from them, and which they honor rigorously, you're going to be very much fighting against caveat emptor for anything beyond that.

Of course, the correct action is to do more research next time, purchase an extended warranty/insurance, and/or stop purchasing from companies that you feel have provided poor value for money in the past.
 
I had my 2017 MBP replaced twice, once for display (where they also swapped out a whole new bottom chassis), and another for sticky butterfly keys.

It's unfortunate I'm probably ineligible being in Canada.
 
Let me clear up some misconceptions in the thread.

The amounts consumers receive is considerable. In class I people receive $300-400 and in class II $100-150.
 
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Well, this is good for American users of "bad butterfly". However, for the rest of the world, means nothing. I can only dream of how much money I would receive for four keyboards, or 60% failure in our group over the years.
 
I just got mine back from its fourth replacement this week and it’s skipping keys again.

Slight side question, but I have 90 days from getting it back to take it back to AppleCare as a warranty on the repair, right?
 
Had my 4th keyboard replacement in 2020 for my 2016 MPB. After some back and forth Apple agreed to replace the whole computer with the 2019 model.
 
I didn't get an email yet and I definitely qualify. I had 3 keyboard repairs on a 2017 MacBook. Anyone else not get it yet?
Four replacements and no email yet.

anecdotal.
i had zero failed. doesn't mean much.

Mine was faulty out of the box the day I got it. I would have had several more replacements if I didn’t just hold off for long periods because I couldn’t part with my computer due to work.
 
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