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MacBook Pro Tomorrow (June 5, 2007) - Some Specs?

kingofkolt said:
Sweet... are the 15"'s gonna have LED's also? Do you know anything about the GPU's?

(Yes, I am trying to milk you for all you're worth :D )
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Don't know anything about the 15"s. 17" is an nvidia 8600M as MacRumors and AppleInsider said, at least as an option.

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Errrrr...

I hate to be a buzz kill, but maybe we have it wrong and there is no MBP update tomorrow and instead it is simply Intel's release as reported in this CNET article: Intel is set to take the wraps off its latest chipsets and a new low-cost laptop.

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Sean Maloney, executive vice president and general manager of Intel's sales and marketing group, plans to unveil the chipsets during his keynote address on Tuesday at Computex Taipei trade show in Taiwan. The new chipsets are needed to accommodate Intel's Penryn generation of processors that it expects to release in the second half of the year.
 
yagran said:
check it i will, and i hope your right :D remember tho some leaks from 'apple internal' are fakes.
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I believe they are fake, but not from Apple internal. Why would Apple hype about something and then not deliver? It would be the other way around imho. I Don't think we will se LED this time around. Late 2007 they will start to show in the MBP.
 
Aniej said:
I hate to be a buzz kill, but maybe we have it wrong and there is no MBP update tomorrow and instead it is simply Intel's release as reported in this CNET article: Intel is set to take the wraps off its latest chipsets and a new low-cost laptop.

Excerpt below:
Sean Maloney, executive vice president and general manager of Intel's sales and marketing group, plans to unveil the chipsets during his keynote address on Tuesday at Computex Taipei trade show in Taiwan. The new chipsets are needed to accommodate Intel's Penryn generation of processors that it expects to release in the second half of the year.
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We already know that the Back to School 2007 promo is launching tomorrow because of the link in the iTMS. I think that makes it improbable that there wouldn't be a MBP update tomorrow. Plus all my sources still say tomorrow, so I doubt it.

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Kaptajn Haddock said:
I believe they are fake, but not from Apple internal. Why would Apple hype about something and then not deliver? It would be the other way around imho. I Don't think we will se LED this time around. Late 2007 they will start to show in the MBP.
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Who said hype about anything? Obviously Apple hasn't said anything publicly, but that doesn't mean word doesn't get around among employees.

Of course, who knows. There's rumors that get around amongst employees too.

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Sbrocket said:
We already know that the Back to School 2007 promo is launching tomorrow because of the link in the iTMS. I think that makes it improbable that there wouldn't be a MBP update tomorrow. Plus all my sources still say tomorrow, so I doubt it.

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obviously can't dispute unconfirmed sources so that aside why would back to school promo suggest actual changes to products and not just price reductions and combinations?
 
wow you are a posting madman!

Total Posts: 48 (38.85 posts per day) and a member for only 2 days.....:rolleyes:
 
Aniej said:
obviously can't dispute unconfirmed sources so that aside why would back to school promo suggest actual changes to products and not just price reductions and combinations?
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Apple launches Back to School promo.
Students and parents go take advantage of the discounts and free iPod and go buy new MacBook Pros.
Less than a week later, Apple launches a new MBP.
Disgruntled customers want to return their now old hardware and get the new one. Apple gets stuck with overstock of refurbished last-generation MBPs.

Does that sound like an ideal situation to you?

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ummm no not at all that's why they sell them at a reduced price to get rid of the excess product.
 
iSee said:
I would have expected the 800MHz front-side bus.

Edit: or is that different that the RAM clock?
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its got the 800Mhz FSB as noted by the 2.4ghz CPU speed
it'll have the new 965 chipset as well

what is not clear is whether this chipset can actually use 800Mhz DDRII. im not entirely sure myself, but whatever the case every single santa rosa based latop that has been announced to date uses the 965 chipset and DDRII 667.

the reasons for the slower ram are either

1) the chipset cannot support it
2) the price is just too high
3) availability

i have heard rumours that one of Zepto's Znote laptops can be configured with 800MHz DDRII, that would suggest the chipset is capable....that or they overclocked it, but it also suggests that its just plain hard to get hold of.

i dont see it as too much of a hinderence to be honest, dual channel 667 stuff provides a healthy chunk of bandwidth as it is, and the likely hood is that if you wanted more than 2Gig you would be having to run 667 anyway.

975 chipset in the new shuttle supports 800Mhz DDRII but if you fill its DIMM's with 4Gb of memory you get bumped back down to 667Mhz
 
I want to buy a MBP today , and also a Ipod! with the back to school program

Do you think it's worth to wait for the new 6G ipod?
 
Eidorian said:
Some synthetics here.
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Interesting. Mind you, the HD2600 barely beats the 8600M GT in 3dmark, and ATI's drivers have never been the best, especially when it comes to OpenGL performance. The issue between them in power consumption & heat output, which is also an important one, but I feel confident enough to say that Intel would've put some pressure on Apple to stay away from a competitor [AMD/ATI] and shop somewhere else [nVidia].

And the AppleInsider specs, whilst unlikely to be 100% accurate, are not indicative of a "MacBook-esque" upgrade at all. The SR chipset, the fastest current mobile processors [and the differences between these and the older chips], support for more RAM, a significant GPU upgrade, and faster/larger hard-drives. For the same price. It's a big upgrade, and it brings the MBP back up to 'cutting edge' as far as laptop tech goes. Or close to it, at least.
 
flopticalcube said:
I was under the impression that the two cards where essentially similar in performance. Also that while power consumption was down significantly from previous generations, performance gains where minimal. Is there some site which compares the two or is it still too early to judge?
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8600GT should wipe the floor with the X1600 for the most part.

add to that full HD H.264, VC1, Mpeg2 etc decode... and i mean proper...like 20% or less CPU time.

i hope they put some more USB's on it 2 = not enough

and it is likely that DVI out will be exchanged for HDMI out....everyone else is doing it.

elithrar said:
Interesting. Mind you, the HD2600 barely beats the 8600M GT in 3dmark, and ATI's drivers have never been the best, especially when it comes to OpenGL performance. The issue between them in power consumption & heat output, which is also an important one, but I feel confident enough to say that Intel would've put some pressure on Apple to stay away from a competitor [AMD/ATI] and shop somewhere else [nVidia].

And the AppleInsider specs, whilst unlikely to be 100% accurate, are not indicative of a "MacBook-esque" upgrade at all. The SR chipset, the fastest current mobile processors [and the differences between these and the older chips], support for more RAM, a significant GPU upgrade, and faster/larger hard-drives. For the same price. It's a big upgrade, and it brings the MBP back up to 'cutting edge' as far as laptop tech goes. Or close to it, at least.
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going off the HD2900XT launch, ATi have really upped their game in OpenGL.

however i think their architecture choices as a whole are just a little too ahead of their time. their shader core is a bit more complicated than what nvidia used, R6xx should absolutely scream with Very Long Instruction Word code, and if their software compiler is able to extra lots of parallel and long instructions from shader code it really does motor, but at the moment there is precious few games that really offer that, leaving th R600 somewhat under utilized. Nvidias approach really is a lot more robust chucking out great performance no matter what you chuck at it.

another issue as you quite rightly state is heat. if R600 is anything to go by it might not be rosy for AMD. R600 even uses an optical shrink of the 90nm process so that it can be fabbed at 80nm. but despite the smaller process it still generate more heat and uses more power than nvidias G80 which is built on a mature 90nm process.

i am not sure what size the chips are for the 8600 (G84/G86) its likely they are 90nm/80nm but apparently AMD's HD2600 mobility parts are going to be 65nm.
 
otispunkmeyer said:
8600GT should wipe the floor with the X1600 for the most part.

add to that full HD H.264, VC1, Mpeg2 etc decode... and i mean proper...like 20% or less CPU time.

i hope they put some more USB's on it 2 = not enough

and it is likely that DVI out will be exchanged for HDMI out....everyone else is doing it.
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hell yeah, that's what i'm talking about.. hdmi and a 1080p res.
if they don't add an hdmi and a blu ray drive, i will buy the new sony vaio laptop instead of a new mbp. same price. hdmi as well as blu ray
 
Aniej said:
ummm no not at all that's why they sell them at a reduced price to get rid of the excess product.
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Ok whatever, I only know what my sources tell me. They could be wrong, but I tend to trust them since they're usually right. We don't have long to wait now anyway.

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Sbrocket said:
They aren't exact, because the new 17" (at least) DOES have an LED backlit screen with a 1900x1200 resolution standard. That's directly from internal. If you don't want to trust me as a source, then check apple.com for yourself tomorrow morning.

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If you're predictions [or 'insider knowledge'] that have been scattered around these few MBP threads are on the ball in the morning, I will buy you a beer. I can definitely see a resolution bump happening in the 17" MBP; it makes perfect marketing sense [native 1080p support], consumer sense [flagship notebook for graphic design/multimedia/etc] & separates it from the 15" models more. In terms of LED backlighting, I can't say, but if a resolution bump is seen, I hope they offer 512MB 8600's to support it [as I've been saying all day!]
 
JFreak said:
What's the point if the memory controller only supports 667MHz? There's a bottleneck between FSB and RAM, if the leaked specs are true.
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I doubt that the Santa Rosa chipset only supports up to 667MHz on the RAM, but that doesn't mean that the new MBPs are shipping with 800MHz RAM either.

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Roco said:
120 GB Hard drive for a $2000 Mac? Definitely not happening.
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Why not? If they have three models, there needs to be a difference. Leaked specs indicate that base model would get 2GB RAM (which would then be same in every mode) and the smaller video memory of the lowend model is really artifical move. CPU speeds are not that much different, so they're very likely putting in smaller hard drive to the lowend model. If it's 500 dollars cheaper, it cannot be as good as the next one, period. Simply CPU and GPU differences are not enough.
 
So when can we expect an announcement? I'm in a different time zone and don't know when to expect things... :eek:
 
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