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You are horribly misguided if you think that professionals don't use MacBook Pros.

I use my computer professionally and I have an MBP. So do tons of other people.

Even if you meant graphics professionals, I know of some. The photographer who just did my daughter's photo session uses an MBP with Adobe CS3.

i work in the graphics/print industry and i can tell you that every single computer and server is a mac at my joint. (in prepress anyway) it might be only at my work but im sure there are many others that do too. the people that i know who are in the business (graphics/print) 70% use MBPs the rest use a mix of iMacs, Mac Pros or top end PC's
 
Interesting! These have taken a while and the 13" and MacBooks and MacBook Air need updated too! And higher prices? :(
 
You didn't even READ my post. I said professionals WHO NEED A PROFESSIONAL GRADE COMPUTER! I stand by that fully. I know many people that use MBPs, but most don't use them for anything like "professional-grade" computing.

What is "professional-grade computing"? Does using a computer for work qualify? Does working on a thesis with a computer qualify?

Perhaps... I should go back to paper and pencil... if I don't qualify as a professional of my field :)
 
Maybe they are morphing all MBP models into MBAs. No more MBP whatsoever, only MB and MBA [...] it will soon suck badly for anyone who likes actual computing and not jogging around the city with U2/Nike-approved iPods.

LOL, I like the way you're thinking.

At $1799 for a 15" MBP I'll be getting a lenovo... just not worth it for me.
 
I'm just wondering, in what way does keeping current prices, lowering their profit margin by a miniscule amount, and gaining THOUSANDS of more student buyers willing to spend their money at apple degrade their shares? Forgive my youthful ignorance, but it seems this would actually help their shares and improve their view in the public eye.
No easy way for me to consolidate the issues in a quick forum posting here. Go read the SEC filings for AAPL over the past five years.

Students already get a break via educational discounting. A couple of percent in gross margin does make a difference.

If you want a bigger discount, ask Steve, not me.
 
That's right, if you had purchased AAPL shares the last time the MacBook Pro was updated (June 8, 2009), you would have made +68%.

In other words, if you had set aside the $1200 for the low-end 13" MBP and invested it in AAPL, the money you would have earned could upgrade you to a 17" model next week.

Most of these whiners are probably in a tax bracket where they wouldn't even be paying capital gains this year, so it truly would have been free money.

:D

+1 haha
 
I've never owned a Mac, but am required to buy one for my upcoming school year. I likely wouldn't be buying a mac if I didn't have to, although that's more of a personal choice than any sort of disdain towards Mac products.

What people buy is their choice. i said ill never buy a mac (mainly of the apple tax here!) but i got one (because i needed a laptop) i still use/own a PC desktop but i dont regret the mac. i have no loyalties. i use what ever will get the task done my it be a PC or Mac. but like i said i dont regret either choice.
 
LOL, I like the way you're thinking.

At $1799 for a 15" MBP I'll be getting a lenovo... just not worth it for me.
I was never expecting Apple's price points to come down in the next refresh since that doesn't happen that often. $1799 for the entry level 15" MacBook Pro is a $100 price increase. For me, I'll have to see if Apple meaningfully is using more expensive hardware than the previous generation. Something like an IPS screen, higher performance class GPU or maybe bigger battery would do it. Although being in Canada with the dollar now at parity, if Apple is finally offering Canada-US price parity at $1799 then that'll already eat the price difference since the current entry level 15" $1699 model sells for $1799 in Canada.
 
Students already get a break via educational discounting. A couple of percent in gross margin does make a difference.

I'm a student planning to buy a MBP but the current discount is only about $100. Lots of my friends have switched from Apple to PC simply because they can't afford Apple pricing. Lenovo is offering around $300 off already way lower priced laptops!
 
LOL, I like the way you're thinking.

At $1799 for a 15" MBP I'll be getting a lenovo... just not worth it for me.

So you think that price is enough reason to switch to an unreliable, unsecure, infected plataform? Win7 is far better than Vista, but you still need antivirus, antispyware, antieverything.

Im not going back to PC just for a matter of cash. I prefer to buy a refurbished C2D and stay in MacOSX wonderland...
 
I'm a student planning to buy a MBP but the current discount is only about $100. Lots of my friends have switched from Apple to PC simply because they can't afford Apple pricing. Lenovo is offering around $300 off already way lower priced laptops!

I agree with not being able to afford higher-end Apple products as a student. Luckily, a really close friend of mine is an Apple employee so I'm getting her 25% discount when I get my MBP.
 
Even if Apple can't or doesn't want to work out the licensing for Blu-ray video it would still be great if they included Blu-ray drives for data usage. Internet app/game purchasing may be getting more popular but downloading multi-gigabyte programs is still not always fast or convenient especially for people with bandwidth caps. Apple was quick to offer DVD readers across the entire Mac product line early on, which meant Mac developers could quickly switch to DVD only distribution when programs started overflowing onto multiple CDs, whereas on Windows, developers had to offer both DVD and multi-CD versions which is more expensive. Many games and some program suites, including some of Apple's own professional applications, are already requiring multiple DVDs. The faster Apple starts to offer at least Blu-ray data disc readers across their product line, the faster the installed base grows and the faster program distribution can simplify onto single Blu-ray disc instead of multiple DVDs.

I'm hoping for ATI Mobility HD5000 series GPUs, preferably at least the HD5750 since it has GDDR5. I don't find Optimus a good enough justification to use nVidia's now older generation mobile GPUs, regardless of rebranding, since I and I'm thinking most users would find the IGP sufficient while on battery anyways since Intel's Arrandale IGP can handle H.264 acceleration, Flash acceleration, and even light OpenCL acceleration assuming the relevant parties cared enough to write Mac drivers for these features. Also IPS screens, Firewire 3200, and a flush SD slot would be nice. I'm not expecting USB 3.0 since that requires a dedicated chip which Apple may be reluctant to spare motherboard space for. For CPUs, I'm not expecting quad core Clarksfield's given the high power consumption and heat and low clockspeeds. The common Core i7 720QM can only Turbo Boost to a theoretical 2.4GHz in dual core mode, the most common use case for most users, while the similarly priced dual core Core i7 620M can Turbo Boost up to 3.06GHz with 2 cores. So for most users and use cases, dual core Arrandale will be faster than quad core Clarksfield. Even in well threaded applications, with almost 2 times the Turbo Boost clock speed, the Core i7 620M won't be far behind a fully utilized Core i7 720QM. I'm hoping that Apple convinced Intel to give them some limited volume higher clock speed Arrandale's for a BTO option to help mitigate complaints about lack of quad cores, say a 2.93GHz Arrandale (3.33GHz 2 core Turbo Boost, 3.6GHz single core Turbo), while maintaining the same 35W TDP rating.

what he said haha..
i bet you coulda been first reply ;)

But seriously, I don't see Apple ever integrating Blu-ray. It would be nice, but I forecast the whole market moving towards cloud based operations and losing the optical drive.
 
What is "professional-grade computing"? Does using a computer for work qualify? Does working on a thesis with a computer qualify?

Perhaps... I should go back to paper and pencil... if I don't qualify as a professional of my field :)

I assure you I know many true "professionals" who don't need professional-grade computers. However, Apple is branding the MB as a "pro" as in professional-grade when it certainly has no business having
"pro" stamped on it when it doesn't have a dedicated graphics card, express card slot for expandability, nor even capable resolution options. Maybe the 17" MBP could merit such a title, but certainly the 13" Pro branding is a complete JOKE. The Mac Pro is a real "pro" computer, while certainly most Mac notebooks aren't.

I would certainly consider myself a business professional, but about the last computer in the world I need is a professional-grade computer. I can accept the professional-grade computer as being far above my needs. At the same time, I could outwork a MBP if I tried. The point isn't to offend anyone... certainly not our resident doctors, professors, accountants, lawyers, consultants, experts, and alternative professionals of any sort. The point is Apple is branding the MBP as something it truly isn't, especially in the 13/15" varieties.
 
I'm a student planning to buy a MBP but the current discount is only about $100. Lots of my friends have switched from Apple to PC simply because they can't afford Apple pricing. Lenovo is offering around $300 off already way lower priced laptops!
Go for it.

Buy Lenovo. They make good products. Apple needs strong competitors, and I heartily encourage Lenovo to be one.
 
So you think that price is enough reason to switch to an unreliable, unsecure, infected plataform? Win7 is far better than Vista, but you still need antivirus, antispyware, antieverything.

Im not going back to PC just for a matter of cash. I prefer to buy a refurbished C2D and stay in MacOSX wonderland...

Nothing you mentioned is required, and even if it were, there are dozens of free possibilities out there.

ghostsp23 said it well, buy what suits your needs. If your needs are: low cost computer for school, a windows laptop will work wonderfully.
 
Does anyone have experience with buying old models from the refurb store after the new ones come out?

Absolutely. You can get great deals this way on perfectly good systems. I bought a 24" refurb imac a year or so back right after the next generation was introduced for many hundreds of dollars less than the new ones.

I've purchased several Apple refurb systems and every one of them has been indistinguishable from new. All new accessories, same warranty, only difference is you don't get the ego boost from the glossy box (refurbs generally come in plain white cardboard).
 
So you think that price is enough reason to switch to an unreliable, unsecure, infected plataform? Win7 is far better than Vista, but you still need antivirus, antispyware, antieverything.

Im not going back to PC just for a matter of cash. I prefer to buy a refurbished C2D and stay in MacOSX wonderland...

You have a really good point. The virus problem is my big turn off from PCs as well. But we're both mac users. On the flip side, those students currently using PCs don't have a great incentive to try out Apple.
 
Haaaaang on. Are we really saying that the 13 inch won't get updated with the rest of the models? Won't this leave it incredibly far behind?
 
prices seem reasonable. and it's clear that a low end 15" and the cheaper 13" will be released weeks or month after the release of the more expensive 15" and 17" models. after all apple wants to sell premium priced products.

for the 13" it doesn't matter any way because in this size portability is the only deciding factor and that won't change much with the update anyway. performance is secondary. for the 15"/17" performance is more important so the update matters more.
 
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