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Even fusion drives are a band-aid to the problem. Probably the best band-aid ever, but still a band-aid.
Fusion drive gives you SSD speed, so the only bad thing is that it uses a bit more juice than SSD only.
SSDs will cost more than double of HDD for the next decade, so for that time for wise money user Fusion will be just the best option.
And Apple knows this. If Fusion doesn't come with new MBPs, they are just saving a feature for the future, maybe for point when they stop offering oddMBP, which they can't stop now since it's their best selling Mac.
 
See that's what I really hate about Apple. Particularly Macbook Air. They change the blade SSD connector too often. It's the third revision already. They change it almost like annually.

It becomes harder for us and Apple for playing catch up and mix-match between MBA SSDs for spare parts/replacement claims.

Why not making PCI Ex based ssd in the first place? It's not exactly new technology. Be consistent and stick with it for at least 5 years. Come on?! :rolleyes:
 
well, the asus 4k 31" display was just announced a week ago.. at 3799$ :D
but i can't imagine apple to sell a display anywhere around that price.

Yields will be better for a 27" display than for a 31" display. With the combination of smaller size and higher yields, a comparable price might be about $3000. On the other hand, Apple rely on higher margins than Asus, which would put the price back up to something near $3799.

That suggests yields will have to improve before Apple offer a 27" Retina display. My guess is Apple will offer it at the same time as the new Mac Pro, in late 2013. I'm hoping that yields will rise by then to drive the price down to about $2500.
 
It will be released in July, 100% for sure.
Competitors have already annonced their better then retina screen.
HP, Fujitsu, Samsung will release by end of June their 3200 x 1800 pixels laptops. Apple will do the same, can't loose customers by selling outdated crap for 3k
The new mid-end July Macbook pro retina:
-PCIe SSD
-Wi-fi ac
-Haswell and Iris
-3200 x 1800 resolution.
-100-300 dollars price reduction
Who fuc... cares about thunderbot??? It will arrive in 2014 refresh.

I love apple, and I own almost every product, but in laptop market it's a great failure: many decades of mac, the best os, and great products and a market share of 5-11%?????????
Mac=Faillure, money comes from iPhone iPad and AppStore
Apple outrageous prices (45% more margin of profit then competitors) have completely blocked any possible expansion in laptop market and have obbliged customer to use bootcamp or vm to run softwares that have not a mac version cause mac users are only 5-11%.
The software I have to use for work, are only for windows!!!
WAKE UP APPLE!!!!
 
All this talk about TB2 being needed for 4k to work.
Ain't it possible just to release the displays with a dual TB1 connector/adapter?
And if u have TB2 you can swap cable later or just not have to use the second part.

Apple waiting 6 months+ for TB2 before they move rMBP to haswell, is just not going to happen. They would loose way to much of the high dpi laptop market.
And so far they have been dominating it. Now PC's are roiling out in the truck loads with higher dpi displays.
The only way they would wait for TB2 is if they get priority to it and get an earlier release then the rest of the PC market. Much like they had with TB1.

Either they release the updated rMBP soon in 1 month or so when the Iris Haswell cpu's come. Or they wait for Mavricks. (Mavricks is more plausible imho. And i wouldn't be surprised if there are design improvements and/or display upgrades also)

Waiting for TB2 if its 6 months, and they don't get it much earlier then the rest. Is NOT going to happen. There is just no way.
 
I was going to get this. If they updated the rMBP with at least a 770M. Looks like I am going to MSI, AMD A10 3.5 Billion Hertz, and a 8970M.
 
I know it's hard to imagine that there are people with different needs than you. Maybe every time I need to create motion graphics or use ProPresenter away from home, I can pay to ship a 27" display around the country just so I can function in my hotel room. If I always used a display for work, I wouldn't need a MacBookPro, now would I?

Thing is, we don't have to imagine anything at all. Apple knew EXACTLY how big the market for 17" MacBook Pros was - and it clearly was not only too small to be worth the R&D investment in a 17" rMBP, and not only was it too small to be worth the R&D investment in adding USB 3.0 and new processors, it was too small to even warrant keeping it in production with the old specs.

Something I've learned to accept in life - not only does the fact that I think something is terrific not mean it's necessarily commercially viable, the very fact that I do is a good indicator that it's NOT commercially viable.
 
I would just like to see a 17'' come back. I'm getting ready to get in the market for my first Mac, and it's going to be a MBP, and I want it to have a larger screen.
 
Thing is, we don't have to imagine anything at all. Apple knew EXACTLY how big the market for 17" MacBook Pros was - and it clearly was not only too small to be worth the R&D investment in a 17" rMBP, and not only was it too small to be worth the R&D investment in adding USB 3.0 and new processors, it was too small to even warrant keeping it in production with the old specs.

Something I've learned to accept in life - not only does the fact that I think something is terrific not mean it's necessarily commercially viable, the very fact that I do is a good indicator that it's NOT commercially viable.

If people can request a larger iPhone screen, which *I* don't see a need for, I can request a return to a 17" MBP. Thanks
 
Thing is, we don't have to imagine anything at all. Apple knew EXACTLY how big the market for 17" MacBook Pros was - and it clearly was not only too small to be worth the R&D investment in a 17" rMBP, and not only was it too small to be worth the R&D investment in adding USB 3.0 and new processors, it was too small to even warrant keeping it in production with the old specs.

After not offering a 17" MBP for about a year, the pent up demand may justify a new offering. Also, a 17" rMBP display would necessarily have been very expensive a year ago, but would not be so expensive this year due to large improvements in yields. In sum, I would not be surprised if Apple were to offer a 17"rMBP in the future, possibly this year.
 
If people can request a larger iPhone screen, which *I* don't see a need for, I can request a return to a 17" MBP. Thanks

You can request whatever you bloody well want from whomever you want, but Apple's only going to release products that THEY think they should.

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After not offering a 17" MBP for about a year, the pent up demand may justify a new offering. Also, a 17" rMBP display would necessarily have been very expensive a year ago, but would not be so expensive this year due to large improvements in yields. In sum, I would not be surprised if Apple were to offer a 17"rMBP in the future, possibly this year.

LOL. They discontinued the existing model when they didn't discontinue the 13 and 15. It's not happening. There IS NO PROFITABLE DEMAND.
 
You can request whatever you bloody well want from whomever you want, but Apple's only going to release products that THEY think they should.

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LOL. They discontinued the existing model when they didn't discontinue the 13 and 15. It's not happening. There IS NO PROFITABLE DEMAND.

CLUE: If people like myself don't make requests, how would Apple know how many people want one? Not saying Apple is slavishly reading this board but this IS a place where people say what they want. Doesn't cost me anything to vote. Take your chill pill. You don't know any more about Apple's plans than anyone else here.
 
LOL. They discontinued the existing model when they didn't discontinue the 13 and 15. It's not happening. There IS NO PROFITABLE DEMAND.

That is pure speculation on your part. We have no information about demand, but we do know that the wholesale cost of 17" Retina displays was very high a year ago.
 
My wife and I are looking to switch from Windows to Mac with next year's tax refund. Been looking at the non-retina MBP line because of the bigger and cheaper storage options. I love the retina display but we need at least 1TB to be able to replace our desktop. The price for similar storage on the rMBP is just to high for my taste.

I say all this because I hope Apple isn't abandoning the non-r MBP line. The display may not be as pretty but they have the better bang for your buck when it comes to storage. Just hope they continue to update the non-retinas as well, or offer regular HDD options to the rMBP.
 
My wife and I are looking to switch from Windows to Mac with next year's tax refund. Been looking at the non-retina MBP line because of the bigger and cheaper storage options. I love the retina display but we need at least 1TB to be able to replace our desktop. The price for similar storage on the rMBP is just to high for my taste.

I say all this because I hope Apple isn't abandoning the non-r MBP line. The display may not be as pretty but they have the better bang for your buck when it comes to storage. Just hope they continue to update the non-retinas as well, or offer regular HDD options to the rMBP.

Or you could get the better laptop (the rMBP) and just get a 1TB external harddrive for all your other needs... External harddrives are much cheaper than they used to be.
 
That is an option but I'd rather not have to carry an external drive around everywhere we take the MBP.
Surely you're not going to need that whole 1TB of data every single time you use the MBP.... 512GB of data when you go portable should be more than enough.
 
Why is everyone on this website so against the cMBP? Is it that hard to believe some people want to buy a cheaper laptop with a lot more storage?
 
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