bep207 said:
Well it is not like these things are selling like hotcakes... just check out the refurb store, overheating problems thanks to Jonathan notwithstanding, the store is overflowing with MBPs, yet you can barely get a Macbook or even a iMac.
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Well it is not like these things are selling like hotcakes... just check out the refurb store, overheating problems thanks to Jonathan notwithstanding, the store is overflowing with MBPs, yet you can barely get a Macbook or even a iMac.
Not To Worry. Leopard Will Run Great On Today's Macs
There are those of us who can wait this thing out and so we do. If you can't you will still have a great Mac - just not the latest greatest which is what some of us here crave - myself not included. I love my G5 Quad. But I do crave a Dual Clovertown 8 core Mac Pro.
When I see the MBP I want in my minds eye, I will know it and pull the trigger. But it ain't gonna be anytime near the release date. I need to read a ton of rave reviews first.
Years. Leopard will run perfectly on 32-bit Macs going back many years. G4, G5, CD and C2D. Maybe not G3 but we don't know yet do we? Apple doesn't abandon their legacy customers for many years. You can still run Panther on an original iMac. If it has FW ports you can run Tiger on it perfectly. There's even a work around to run Tiger on NON-FW ported G3 Macs.cwe said:
There are those of us who can wait this thing out and so we do. If you can't you will still have a great Mac - just not the latest greatest which is what some of us here crave - myself not included. I love my G5 Quad. But I do crave a Dual Clovertown 8 core Mac Pro.
When I see the MBP I want in my minds eye, I will know it and pull the trigger. But it ain't gonna be anytime near the release date. I need to read a ton of rave reviews first.
generik said:
To each his own. I happen to like the increased face surface area, lack of bevel, clear delineation between keys, etc. and I beg to differ on the styling. On the MB the keyboard just works, visually speaking at least.
At any rate, they're both fine keyboards, and I prefer both over the KB on my Toshiba, which is nearly indistinguishable from a ThinkPad keyboard.
Multimedia said:
Yep ... but I need the laptop variety. Its hard to travel dragging a desktop around. Besides .... actually, I like the Mac laptop design, just I want a Macbook Pro 17" but dont want to buy something that is imminently obsolete.
For now, I am pretty happy with my Xtreme Nova Accelerator 906V loaded to the max .... with the AMD FX60 in it. In spite of the fact that I have had a bit of a battle with a trojan and the regular PC world of problems, this thing runs faster than light and is like owning a Lamborghini.
Multimedia said:Years. Leopard will run perfectly on 32-bit Macs going back many years. G4, G5, CD and C2D. Maybe not G3 but we don't know yet do we? Apple doesn't abandon their legacy customers for many years. You can still run Panther on an original iMac. If it has FW ports you can run Tiger on it perfectly. There's even a work around to run Tiger on NON-FW ported G3 Macs.
There are those of us who can wait this thing out and so we do. If you can't you will still have a great Mac - just not the latest greatest which is what some of us here crave - myself not included. I love my G5 Quad. But I do crave a Dual Clovertown 8 core Mac Pro.
Well, I want the latest, greatest, yes. But I don't really care as long as it's not outdated within a few months and I'm sick that I didn't wait. 64-bit? 32-bit? I'm simply trying to make the wisest decision for the long-run. And I'm VERY confused at this point.
ViveLeLivre said:
No offence, but if you can't differentiate the keyboard on a Thinkpad and any other brand, then it is probably safe for me to say that you can't tell the difference between the MBP keyboard and the MB keyboard.
Either way I fail to see how such a disgusting looking keyboard can look remotely nice on the MBP, so I can sleep fairly safe in the knowledge that even if Apple somehow loses their heads to make such a stupid engineering decision, Leveno is still in business. MacOS not worth Carpal Tunnel, kthxbai.
Multimedia said:
My mistake. Between the Apple event, the sortof nebulous timing of Photokina, and, of course, the blinding enthusiasm, I've gotten myself all confused regarding dates.
Some things that have only compounded my confusion:
today: https://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060925115727.shtml
not today: https://www.macrumors.com/pages/2006/09/20060914090209.shtml
So...at the risk of remaining overly optimistic...does that mean there's reason to hold out hope for tomorrow?
generik said:
Without a parts list and the little red rubber nub, I'd challenge anyone to find a difference (the action is the same), but whatever you say...
It's not really about the c2d at all...
Yes, I'm a newbie first poster.
Even as a professional software developer, I really could not care less if there is a C2D. Neither I nor my team have current needs for 64 bit.
However, I have still postponed my upcoming MBP purchase in hopes of Apple's upgrades for other reasons. A (much) larger HD, single 1gb ram stick as minimum standard (has no one else asked for this?), and higher screen resolutions (here's hoping), and sure, some faster procs as well are worth my wait. Sure I'd still pump it up to 2gb, but it would be THAT much more inexpensive to do so. Apple seems to rarely bump ONLY the processor. And if that's all they do, it simply still won't be enough to keep them cost-competive on the hardware end.
And yes, I adore OS X (and apple hardware) and am willing to pay the understood premiums involed therein, but will only use it part of the time, as I'll be spending much time (sadly) working in Windows and Linux as well.
A 512mb baseline simply cannot be categorized as "Pro" any longer.
Yes, I'm a newbie first poster.
Even as a professional software developer, I really could not care less if there is a C2D. Neither I nor my team have current needs for 64 bit.
However, I have still postponed my upcoming MBP purchase in hopes of Apple's upgrades for other reasons. A (much) larger HD, single 1gb ram stick as minimum standard (has no one else asked for this?), and higher screen resolutions (here's hoping), and sure, some faster procs as well are worth my wait. Sure I'd still pump it up to 2gb, but it would be THAT much more inexpensive to do so. Apple seems to rarely bump ONLY the processor. And if that's all they do, it simply still won't be enough to keep them cost-competive on the hardware end.
And yes, I adore OS X (and apple hardware) and am willing to pay the understood premiums involed therein, but will only use it part of the time, as I'll be spending much time (sadly) working in Windows and Linux as well.
A 512mb baseline simply cannot be categorized as "Pro" any longer.
C2D Merom Is For The Long Run
For the long run you want the C2D Merom MBP. Could be useful for many many years - perhaps even the rest of your life.cwe said:
Single 1GB RAM Stick Has Been Standard Since January
I agree but you must not have looked at the Store lately. Single 1GB stick has been standard on the top 15" and 17" MBPs since January. Base $2k 15" is + $200 for the 1GB stick.treekiter said:
Out of the Running...
I've been obsessively following these threads for awhile now, and I have to say that I threw in the towel and ordered a new MBP today (15'' high end stock model). It wasn't my decision to make; my computer (a trusty G4 800 MHz, and my first Mac) died 3 hours ago ::moment of silence:: and given my need for a computer for school, I really couldn't hang around waiting for the new models.
I know that for most of what I do, the new processor wouldn't make a huge difference, although I was looking for the upgrades that Multimedia has mentioned in his posts. I also wanted to get the best bang for my buck, and since the last refresh was in April, I'm getting a 5 month old machine. But given what it's replacing (I was getting tired of not being able to play CDs with a busted drive and keeping the monitor propped open after the hinge broke), I'm looking forward to seeing my new machine this Friday or Saturday (it'll sure beat the Dell I'm typing on in the campus lab right now).
In some ways, it's a relief to finally step off the Merom rollercoaster ride that's been riveting me since August. I plan on taking a break from the rumor sites, enjoying my new computer, and figuring out how to get my iTunes library back on the computer off of my iPod. I wish you all the very best of luck in holding out for what I'm sure will be an even more fantastic machine somewhere down the line.
I've been obsessively following these threads for awhile now, and I have to say that I threw in the towel and ordered a new MBP today (15'' high end stock model). It wasn't my decision to make; my computer (a trusty G4 800 MHz, and my first Mac) died 3 hours ago ::moment of silence:: and given my need for a computer for school, I really couldn't hang around waiting for the new models.
I know that for most of what I do, the new processor wouldn't make a huge difference, although I was looking for the upgrades that Multimedia has mentioned in his posts. I also wanted to get the best bang for my buck, and since the last refresh was in April, I'm getting a 5 month old machine. But given what it's replacing (I was getting tired of not being able to play CDs with a busted drive and keeping the monitor propped open after the hinge broke), I'm looking forward to seeing my new machine this Friday or Saturday (it'll sure beat the Dell I'm typing on in the campus lab right now).
In some ways, it's a relief to finally step off the Merom rollercoaster ride that's been riveting me since August. I plan on taking a break from the rumor sites, enjoying my new computer, and figuring out how to get my iTunes library back on the computer off of my iPod. I wish you all the very best of luck in holding out for what I'm sure will be an even more fantastic machine somewhere down the line.
sesame6bean said:personal thoughts.. i think mbp c2d will be updated at least 14 days after the ipod deal ended.. last month apple sold a lot of notebooks in the US, coz lots of people want to take adavantage of the deal... but remember the 14 days return policy? if apple updates mbp with c2d this week, there is gonna be heaps of bastard returning their old mbp, without needing to return the ipod that they got from the deal... so, i guess it's gonna be someday next week, not this week... but anywayzzz, personal thoughts...
You cant return the machines, you have to send in all your UPC codes off the boxes to get the rebate. You pay for the ipod, then you send in the UPCs of the ipod and mac you purchased, then they send you a check.
I, for another, am pretty disappointed with this lack of an update. I really want an Apple, but their lack of new machines is pushing me more towards the thinkpads and high-end dells than the "get a mac" commercials are pushing me away. I will wait untill a week from tomorrow (tuesday), and then I will see about the specs on some windows machines.
Multimedia said:
I kept waiting for that exact same reason. It will be my first Mac ever, and also my first laptop ever. And I am trying to make sure it will stick with me for many, many years to come. Thus, when it comes out, I'll max out the spec (2Gb ram, 100gb 7200 rpm hdd, glossy screen), and hopes it wouldn't be obsolete anytime soon
So here's for tomorrow, or any single day that MBP C2D is coming.
Multimedia said:
Would you say the same thing for the MB as well? Actually, I'm buying for my sons ... one is a movie editor who really wants (and needs) the MBP. The other will be fine with the MB. I have a new MacBook myself and love it, but I'm not using it for professional reasons. I was ready to order for each one of my sons, but after reading this forum for the past week, I absolutely can't decide. Of course, my boys and I are VERY impetuous. We want it NOW, but we're trying to be wise here.
Multimedia said:
Oh, I've looked! I've had store refresh page twitch going on all day. However, their lowest level ("baseline" as I said) "Pro" still starts at 512. I realize the mid-level 15.4 and the 17 both start at 1gb. These should not be premium though. In fact, the higher-end 17 should even baseline at 2gb.
At any rate, no more 512mb default $2k "pro" configurations!
Out of curiousity, if the MBP's were released tomorrow, what do you think the price points would be set at?
Value per dollar went up considerably with the refreshed iMacs.
Value per dollar went up considerably with the refreshed iMacs.