MacBook Pro Upgrade At Photokina?

[Clydefrog]

wow everyday on engadget i see "Toshiba, etc adds Core 2 Duo to lineup" Everybody has C2D instead of apple, freaking TOSHIBA is putting C2D's in their laptops. Come on apple. Plus WHEN they release C2D the base model should have 1GB of mem and some more incentaive for the high price they are

 

[suwandy]

Wrong and welcome to MacRumors Forums suwandy. Right. And thanks for the excellent detail generik. Please Please Please. You need to track down that article and provide us a link to it when you reference a report making that extreme a claim suwandy. Otherwise you provide no corroberation and can't be taken seriously. I am sure most of us really feel a need to read that report you mention. That is a very important piece you should have bookmarked immediately and switched over here to report to us with the link.

My bad . Sorry, I've been reading too many articles and the last time I read the article I was talking about was about few months ago when Merom wasn't even released yet. So, sorry, I couldn't provide you with the link I've really discovered

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2#Merom

But I guess, part of the Wikipedia article does mention about the however many % power thingie, and I really apologise for making the post without checking back to the article first. It apparently says

Intel has claimed that Merom will provide 20% more performance yet maintain the same battery life as the Yonah-based Core Duo.

which isn't exactly what I meant. But then again, the article could have been updated after the release and what I read could have been there and then gone. On the other hand, my memory could have been failing me. And what I said might have had no grounds at all. Again, I apologise -_-

Anyway, my computer started to fail me now, this morning I woke up and my graphics card accelerator kept telling me about restarting my graphic card or something. Come on Apple, I could wait, but my computer certainly couldn't

 

[suwandy]

wow everyday on engadget i see "Toshiba, etc adds Core 2 Duo to lineup" Everybody has C2D instead of apple, freaking TOSHIBA is putting C2D's in their laptops. Come on apple. Plus WHEN they release C2D the base model should have 1GB of mem and some more incentaive for the high price they are

That's good point. But that means the higher end would be 2 GB for the same price, which would be awesome for me. But even if they don't, just go for the higher end one! You wouldn't regret it!

 

[ChaoticHavok]

Waiting could be good for us.

I don't know about you guys but I am dying to know when the C2D MBP is going to be released (Jobs is just hurting himself by holding out on us!)! However, I do know three good things will come out of this waiting game:

One: We will learn to be more patient. Good life-building skills and we could be more calm and reserved when Apple fakes us out again.

Two: Rome wasn't built in a day. Quality takes time. If Apple wants to "shock and awe" us with something amazing, it must be done right. Let's not have a MBP 7.0 one day and MBP 7.0.1 (Like a certain music app we know).

Three: Even if we had to wait til Leopard comes out, its a good thing because then its $129 less than what we would have to spend on an upgrade!

Phew, now that is off my chest........MBP, MBP, I WANT MY C2D MBP!!!

 

[Neuroguy]

My reason...

My reason for waiting is not so much to have the latest tech, but for the 64 bit. When Leopard comes out, I can already see the posts "man, this runs so slick on the C2Ds." I think the transition to 64 bit is pretty important, at least it seems like it..

Neuroguy

 

[Apple Corps]

I don't know about you guys but I am dying to know when the C2D MBP is going to be released (Jobs is just hurting himself by holding out on us!)! However, I do know three good things will come out of this waiting game:.....

Phew, now that is off my chest........MBP, MBP, I WANT MY C2D MBP!!!

It is not about being patient - it is about having what I need to run my business on.

Apple has had PLENTY of time - the MBP started shipping in February 2006 - over 7 1/2 months ago - we are late on a Rev B as well as C2D.

As for $129 - whatever - not a big deal on a maxed out $3300 17".

A different perspective!!

 

[DJMastaWes]

I'm waiting untill October 3rd. If it's not out by then I might have to order. I'm just so afraid to order at this point because I know if I do, a week later something new will be out, and since I have waited more then 3 months, I don't want that to happen.

 

[ChaoticHavok]

It is not about being patient - it is about having what I need to run my business on.

Apple has had PLENTY of time - the MBP started shipping in February 2006 - over 7 1/2 months ago - we are late on a Rev B as well as C2D.

As for $129 - whatever - not a big deal on a maxed out $3300 17".

A different perspective!!

Well everyone has a perspective. I am a student myself and I can wait (My college just got new iMac!) but you're right; business people cannot wait for late releases.
BTW, C2D was released on July 21, 2006

 

[mrdice87]

BTW, C2D was released on July 21, 2006

that's conroe, not merom...

 

[Mr.Gadget]

There MUST be a reason Apple is withholding the C2D. Just wish I knew!
The only thing that will make Apple say "oh no we better release now", is if folks stop buying the current CD at that overly fat premium (by today's standards) but I don't think that will happen any time soon... The CD works too well for that and Apple can't release when they are not ready or we'll just bi*ch at them for that too...
It is great to be able to vent on these forums, but we are all stuck just waiting...
I'm hopeful that this is just the lul before the storm and we will all say, "wow, that was worth the wait!"

 

[Multimedia]

8-Core Dual Clovertown Mac Pro Is A Higher Priority For Me Now

There MUST be a reason Apple is withholding the C2D. Just wish I knew!
The only thing that will make Apple say "oh no we better release now", is if folks stop buying the current CD at that overly fat premium (by today's standards) but I don't think that will happen any time soon... The CD works too well for that and Apple can't release when they are not ready or we'll just bi*ch at them for that too...
It is great to be able to vent on these forums, but we are all stuck just waiting...
I'm hopeful that this is just the lul before the storm and we will all say, "wow, that was worth the wait!"

I agree. There are plenty of good reasons why C2D MBP and MB are not for sale yet. I'm sure Apple employees are doing the best they can to get them out ASAP. It's not like they don't know all the other PC firms are shipping or about to ship them. We're really in a transitional month when some are shipping a few while others who have announced and are taking orders are shipping none yet. Apple is just going to be among the last to announce and ship. No biggie. And certainly nothing to get mad and angry over. Some of you impatient should take up meditation. It would really calm your mind.

I'm already resigned to waiting for the Santa Rosa with Leopard model at this point because my need is stronger for the 8-core Dual Clovertown Mac Pro first. So I'm on the sidelines here now but still happy to share and hold hands.

 

[vvebsta]

what really steams me is that i could get a 2.33 C2D with 2gigs of ram a better video card and 250gb HDD in the iMac for 600 dollars less than the 17 inch MBP with only a 2.16 CD and a 120gb HDD...600 dollars for portability but less stuff??? what's the deal apple??

 

[jericho878]

what really steams me is that i could get a 2.33 C2D with 2gigs of ram a better video card and 250gb HDD in the iMac for 600 dollars less than the 17 inch MBP with only a 2.16 CD and a 120gb HDD...600 dollars for portability but less stuff??? what's the deal apple??

What you're mentioning is just the temporary result of iMacs getting updated first. IMO, whenever the new MBPs are released, the 17" will have specs that mirror those of the 24" iMac plus portability.

So, that means the same 2.33 C2D, a better video card, max 4-gigs of ram, and bigger hard drive. Not a perfect comparison but I priced a 17" Dell XPS M1710 with similar specs for almost $4,000. At that rate, the Apple is a bargain.

 

[ergle2]

These new Core 2 Duo chips are supposedly of a ground-up redesign, hence better. Also they got twice the cache so you can't go wrong with that

They're derived from the Yonah design. The "better" comes from a variety of techs, including the memroy disambiguation buffer, single cycle SSE, larger shared L2 cache (tho Yonah's was shared), an extra integer unit, more slots in the reservations stations, scheduler, etc., plus some memory subsystem improvements such as more aggressive prefetchers.

They also extended the pipeline a couple of stages, which will help with higher clockspeeds.

 

[anarchaeologist]

So moving away from the C2D MBPs for just a moment, does anyone want to hazard a guess on how long it'll be for the C2D MacBooks?

 

[jericho878]

So moving away from the C2D MBPs for just a moment, does anyone want to hazard a guess on how long it'll be for the C2D MacBooks?

Silent update in mid-to-late November.

Another thing is that I doubt Apple will release substantial notebook revisions at the same time as Leopard, so these next updates will be it. That means 802.11n!

 

[ergle2]

Silent update in mid-to-late November.

That'd be my guess, too. Before Thanksgiving.

 

[ergle2]

So moving away from the C2D MBPs for just a moment, does anyone want to hazard a guess on how long it'll be for the C2D MacBooks?

Bear in mind we're still not sure we'll see C2D MBPs this year, even... :/

 

[Multimedia]

All C2D By November 23 Worst Case Including MB & mini At Same Current Speeds

So moving away from the C2D MBPs for just a moment, does anyone want to hazard a guess on how long it'll be for the C2D MacBooks?

I agree before Thanksgiving November 23 worst case. But I think it will probably be in October.

Bear in mind we're still not sure we'll see C2D MBPs this year, even... :/

I am 90% sure. I even think the mini will go C2D at the same current speeds by Thanksgiving so Apple can claim a full 64-bit line for Christmas and Steve can brag about it and give us some amazing sales figures January 9th when he will also unveil the 8-Core $2999 Dual Clovertown Mac Pro as well as the new 4- Core $1999 Kentsfield Mid-Tower Mac line - my guess-hope-timate.

 

[ergle2]

I agree before Thanksgiving November 23 worst case. But I think it will probably be in October.I am 90% sure. I even think the mini will go C2D at the same current speeds by Thanksgiving so Apple can claim a full 64-bit line for Christmas and Steve can brag about it and give us some amazing sales figures January 9th when he will also unveil the 8-Core $2999 Dual Clovertown Mac Pro as well as the new 4- Core $1999 Kentsfield Mid-Tower Mac line - My guesstimate.

Yeah - see a couple of posts up, I figured before Thanksgiving.

My observation was of the pessimistic just-the-facts-ma'am style of observation.

I'd be surprised if the Clovertown system came in at $2999 given the prices (per thousand, at least) will stack up to $2500 for the CPUs alone.

 

[sjsharks27]

I agree before Thanksgiving November 23 worst case. But I think it will probably be in October.I am 90% sure. I even think the mini will go C2D at the same current speeds by Thanksgiving so Apple can claim a full 64-bit line for Christmas and Steve can brag about it and give us some amazing sales figures January 9th when he will also unveil the 8-Core $2999 Dual Clovertown Mac Pro as well as the new 4- Core $1999 Kentsfield Mid-Tower Mac line - My guesstimate.

Wait so wat exactaly is the 8-core dual clovertown...and the other one...how big is the difference compared with C2D??? will they also be on MB's

 

[ergle2]

Wait so wat exactaly is the 8-core dual clovertown...and the other one...how big is the difference compared with C2D??? will they also be on MB's

Clovertown is basically two Woodcrest dies glued together, for a total of four cores. The L2 isn't shared between all four but is arraned in a 4MBx2, ie each pair of cores shares a 4MB L2 cache.

He references the Mac Pro running dual Clovertown for a total of 8 cores.

Should be very nice, tho the FSB will be a noticable bottleneck.

 

[freebird]

Well I hope you're right. Although I haven't been waiting for the new MBP for as long as some of you here, I have been waiting for some time.

But what makes you think Oct. 3rd will be the day?

Well, it's my birthday! And three days before I leave this country...

 

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2.33GHz Clovertowns Will Sell For Same Price As 3GHz Woodies

I'd be surprised if the Clovertown system came in at $2999 given the prices (per thousand, at least) will stack up to $2500 for the CPUs alone.

Well then be prepared for a big surprise because they will not stack up to $2500 at all. 2.33GHz Clovertowns are the same price as the 3GHz Woodies @$851 each or the same $1702 Apple pays less than for a pair of Woodies today. I'm plugging in a price cut January 1 assumption that could drop the price from $3,300 to the magic $2,999. But even worst case they will sell for no more than today's 3GHz 4-cores, $3,300 unless Apple decides to gouge it's customer base which I highly doubt.

I'm willing to pay $4,000 if I have to, but I doubt I will.

 

[Multimedia]

Same Speed FSB As Today's Woodies - 1.333 GHz

Clovertown is basically two Woodcrest dies glued together, for a total of four cores. The L2 isn't shared between all four but is arraned in a 4MBx2, ie each pair of cores shares a 4MB L2 cache.

He references the Mac Pro running dual Clovertown for a total of 8 cores.

Should be very nice, tho the FSB will be a noticable bottleneck.

2.33GHz Clovertowns run at the same FSB speed as today's Mac Pro - 1.333 GHz. And will sell for the same price as today's 3GHz Woodies - $851 each. I'll take 8 cores @ 2.33GHz over 4-cores @ 3GHz any day.