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You clearly don't understand how an Operating System or software works.
Please explain what you mean to back up your dismissive comment...or am I missing the sarcasm? Are you arguing that there are not a lot of processes that happen at startup that use battery, or that battery estimates are always 100% accurate (hint: there's a reason they are labeled as estimates, and change continuously)?
 
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Few possible culprits causing decreased battery performance?
1. FileVault (on)
2. Display set at highest resolution (not default scaled)

Any other ideas?

Also, anyone know of a way of disabling discrete GPU use to see if that's a culprit too? Like the opposite of "automatic graphics switching."
 
That's a pleasant rationalization. What else do you tell yourself that you want to hear?

How is what he said a 'rationalization'? So besides staunchly defending and indefensible machine (the 2016 macbook pro), you ALSO attack someone who's glad they bought a 2015 model instead?

Just ... wow.
 
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Using Chrome is the issue. I love Chrome, but Chrome is a massive battery hog. On my 2014 MBA using Safari, the battery can last 10-12 hours. Using Chrome it drops to 5-6.

For this reason alone, I exclusively use Safari on my MBA unless it's loading some website wrong or a website requires flash, then I will fire up Chrome to do what I need and quit out of it right away. On my Mac mini I exclusively use Chrome.
 
I received my 15" MBP w/ Touch bar today. I was mostly deleting duplicate photos from iPhoto and also playing music, with a few basic apps open. screen at moderate brightness. Keyboard illumination at full brightness. I got 3 hours and 45 minutes of battery life before it died. Does anyone know if this is an issue realated to the first full time use of the battery after manufacture? Thank you in advance.
 
There are a litany of excuses and workarounds for this machine. That's not what Apple is supposed to be about. You should be able to use whatever browser you want with a laptop, especially for top dollar.

In all of this, I hear no one looking at the real culprit - which is SIP. Apple started locking down the OS with El Crappy & SIP and that's when all the problems began. It's also when Mac sales began to fall. You can't expect an OS to work properly when it's hard drive is walled-off. As far as I'm concerned Sierra is spyware as bad as windoze 10. It hijacks your data to the cloud by default and you can't shut it off. Updates are now bundled, and the next step is forced updates like MS. Tim doesn't want to deal with the FBI & bad PR over privacy. Just because YOU can't get to "root" doesn't mean Apple's Sierra spyware can't.

And don't expect these glued machines to last anywhere near the amount of time the last gen lasted. They are built to be disposable after 3 years, and lack of MagSafe will speed that up. Then Tim wants you to spend another $4k. When he runs out of customers with an endless supply of money, sales will fall off and the Mac will be history. This is not a cryptic plan. Tim said plainly that the iPad is supposed to be your main machine if you can't do it all on an iPhone. All that's needed is for them to figure out how to run xCode to run on an iPad, Done.

I am so disappointed in the direction Apple is taking. No one should have to make this many excuses for a Mac.
 
It's weird ... the staunch apple defenders (There's about 5 of them - I could list them but we all know who they are) are out in force in this thread. Usually, with a series of mounting bits of evidence like this, a rational person might step back and reconsider their position. I actually thought this story for at least a couple of them would be the perverbial straw that broke the camels back, and mute their enthusiatic (irrational) defense.

But not these guys.

Its as if with every piece or bad news they become even MORE determined to defend the 2016 mbp, and Apple.

It defies all logic.

I'm starting to wonder if they are trolls, are on Apple's board, or just suffer from a very severe case of confirmation bias.

Seriously guys: How many times can you dismiss reported problems with this computer before a little bit of doubt starts creeping into your minds, like that maybe you're on the wrong side of the argument?
 
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Yeah or Firefox. I don't get why people feel that installing Chrome is an elite thing to do.

Question... does ungoogled-Chromium use less battery life? (I believe it disables all the trackers and stuff).
Why would installing chrome be an elite thing to do lol? It just works better than safari in many ways, but not for battery life. There are a lot more extensions, has a better Web inspector, works much better with Google Drive, etc.
 
My maxed out 15" was in the first batch, got it the week before Thanksgiving. Battery has gone through 9 charge-recharge cycles. Restarted, fully charged, have TextEdit, Safari, and VLC open, wifi off. Brightness at 75% (per Apple), keyboard brightness at 3 notches above 0 and sound at 3 notches above 0. Played stuff on VLC, exclusively, almost continuously. Average load during the time is 5% of the combined CPU cores. Battery lasted from 3:24PM until 7:22PM, just under 4 hours. Àmperage at the start was 6831, which is 162 mA above spec.

My 2011 15" MBP, >5 years later, has better battery life.
 
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Does anyone EVER get Apple's advertised battery life?

After 15 years' worth of Apple products I don't think I ever have.

Yep. I have. 2015 retina MBP 13". Battery life quoted by Apple 10 hours. I usually hit 10 easy on a school day. The best I got was 12.45. I was in word, PowerPoint and safari with some databases open.

I'm now using an older MacBook Pro 15" 9,1 because it could be more upgraded. This one is rated at 7 and I'm usually getting 5-6 but my work load is a little harder pegging that and it is a 2012 and that I'm switching between the designated gpu and the onboard one at times.
 
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My maxed out 15" was in the first batch, got it the week before Thanksgiving. Battery has gone through 9 charge-recharge cycles. Restarted, fully charged, have TextEdit, Safari, and VLC open, wifi off. Brightness at 75% (per Apple), keyboard brightness at 3 notches above 0 and sound at 3 notches above 0. Played stuff on VLC, exclusively, almost continuously. Average load during the time is 5% of the combined CPU cores. Battery lasted from 3:24PM until 7:22PM, just under 4 hours. Àmperage at the start was 6831, which is 231 mA above spec.

My 2011 15" MBP, >5 years later, has better battery life.

So the question goes to you Apple defenders ... how do you dismiss this guys experience?
I can't wait to hear the contorted rationalizations.

Fascinated actually!
 
As most of us longtime Apple clients, we may disagree on a few minor things but we seem to agree on crucial points: quality and fragmentation/focus. Companies will pay attention if you hit them where it counts: vote with your dollars and a concerted effort in voicing any grievances. Enough emails, letters, voices combined with the first dip in fifteen years, something will give. If not, then we begrudgingly vote with our dollars, even if that means adapting to new workflows. Referenced below is an email I sent to Tim Cook regarding the discontinuation of Apple's router/wireless business. I doubt he read it however the more they receive the more likely they [may] pay attention.

Hope this helps.

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After a disappointing few years. 2016 was the end of a fifteen year relationship. I sat down and thought what I would say to Tim Cook if we ever met. Suddenly I found myself typing out my thoughts which evolved into an email referenced below. I know Tim Cook will never read it, nonetheless it was fifteen years of my life, work and otherwise, that seemed it was necessary for me to send. As I referenced this very thread, I thought I'd share it with you as well.

Times are definitely changing, for better or for worse.

It's Time For a Divorce

Dear Tim,

After fifteen plus years it’s time to move on as the Apple so many have grown to love is no longer. Having invested hundreds of thousands of dollars on Apple displays, pro-systems, routers, quality editing suites, iPhones, iPads, iPods, Mac Pro’s, PowerMac’s, PowerBooks, and much more it’s time to move on.

Steve Jobs worked arduously in revitalizing a post-Scully fragmented and near bankrupt Apple only to have his work undone under your leadership at breathtakingly horrific speed. I defended your decisions to countless others, held on with hope that these were growing pains. I excused the increasing emphasis of form over function. I excused replacing upgradable systems with soldered parts and subpar hardware. I watched as systems that once justified their price tags became thin, overpriced, outdated technology that now represent the “PC” in the infamous “Get a Mac” advertisements. I begrudgingly spent $8k per Mac Pro in 2013 to replace my 2012 systems for work. I begrudgingly spent thousands more per system on Thunderbolt arrays. After dropping pro-Apps that I relied on for work I was forced to seek alternatives that cost me thousands more and additional time in developing new workflows. I held on as everyone claimed the professional market is too “niche”, excusing these decisions while studio’s and professionals who spent thousands of dollars annually on hardware and Pro App licenses took their business elsewhere.

I’m now out of excuses. After an overdue Mac update, the MacBook [Pro] release was a gut punch. Subpar hardware in a crippled package to shave two or three pounds at a higher price point was a reality check. Showcasing LG displays only compatible with these new Mac’s and not the three year old $6k+ Mac Pro’s added insult to injury. I felt embarrassed for Phil Schiller while he fumbled his way through the keynote as sweeping cuts to audience faces displayed the dismay felt by many. As I’m typing this into one of my three 27” Thunderbolt displays on a $8k three year old “current generation” Mac Pro6,1, I cannot help but chuckle at the irony; Apple has become a Xerox “Toner Head”. For the first time in fifteen years Apple’s revenue has declined. As iOS market saturation stalls growth, I wonder if you are beginning to regret dismissing us as a “niche market”. Perhaps it’s time to reflect on the direction you wish to pursue by referencing Steve Jobs’ “Four Quadrant” product grid and focus on producing powerful, quality systems instead of watch bands, cars, three variants of iPhones and iPads. On the very slim chance you may ever read these words, I will end by linking to a prophetic Steve Jobs interview whose words of wisdom I hope you take to heart as well as a link to a discussion thread regarding the announcement that Apple is also leaving the wireless router market. These are Apple users, both old and new, from various walks of life. They offer words of wisdom I sincerely hope you take the time to read.

As for time, I thank you for yours.

Best Regards,

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Steve Jobs on Why Xerox Failed:


Apple Ceases Development of 'AirPort' Wireless Routers as Engineers Reassigned to Other Products

https://www.macrumors.com/2016/11/21/apple-ceases-airport-wireless/
 
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I have a 15" 2.9Ghz, 512Gb, 16Gb RP 460, and get around 4 hrs surfing blogs in Safari with the brightness at 25%. This F*****g sucks. An online session with Apple involving my diagnostics info revealed an unusual drain on the battery, even though the machine was barely ticking over. I also get the occasional display glitch on boot up. Looks like I'll have to bring this into an Apple store, but how can they simply swap out the glued in batteries - likely I'll have to get a new machine in the middle of a job I just started. Welcome to Apple Appliance Co.

Do they still have a QA dept?

Otherwise I LOVE this machine.

I'm experiencing something similar. Large portion of the time everything is fine, and battery life on light use is up to 11 hours on integrated graphics, but...

At some point, power consumption roughly doubles. Activity monitor still indicates that integrated graphics is in use, but amperage on System information Power view indicates an increase of roughly 10 W in power usage. iStat menus also indicates this, but in this case, more elaborate sensors info indicates that this power is specifically drained by AMD discrete graphics, tad under 10 watts. Yet there is nowhere to be seen an indicator that discrete graphics is actually in use.

As far as I can tell, this problem seems to persist until the next reboot. After that, things are OK until something happens again. My personal suspect is buggy power management code in AMD driver or related components, or a hardware glitch which could be worked around with a software fix.

Things that apparently don't affect this are at least gfxCardStatus, iStat menus, flipping discrete graphics on System preferences on and off again, or plugging to charger or removing it. My test workload consists of couple terminal windows, Skype, Express VPN, Safari with 100+ tabs (but none requiring discrete graphics), inactive Preview windows, and Activity monitor. It is probably noteworthy to point out I use native 2880x1800 resolution, set using "scrutil t 2880 1800 32".

My prime suspect is that Safari or desktop transitions somehow trigger this, and a bug prevents stopping power supply to AMD 460, but I can't really know...

EDIT: Another curious problem that seems to appear after some use is UI lag on some components, particularly visibly in the Apple menu. Clicking it may take a second to respond for no apparent reason on an idle machine. There's definitely something to improve here...
 
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Battery life has always been bogus details .. since the Macintosh Portable.
Not true. I have a 2014 Retina MacBook Pro whose battery life actually exceeds the eight hours under mixed usage conditions that Apple claimed in its promotional materials.
 
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A majority of the people complaining about poor battery life are using Chrome and won't even entertain using Safari.

I mostly use Safari myself, but it's really not that great of a browser. It's lagging really hard behind every other browser when it comes to standards adoption.

HTML5 Support:

Safari 9.1: 370
Chrome 52: 492
Edge 14: 460
Internet Explorer 11: 312

http://html5test.com

Given those abysmal results, I can see why people might prefer a different browser.
 
Honestly, me being a MacBook Pro user doing all my web design, visual graphics, video editing and everything, I NEVER had a MacBook Pro, no matter how new they were to last more than 5 hours with intense software Pro application. If anything I'd be surprised if I can work 4 hours straight without plugging in, but I never depend on battery power alone to get me through the day. I'm JUST happy I'm portable so that other than just being plugged in at my own home office feeling cabin fever, I can GO to places like starbucks or cafe of the like, sit at a table that is near a plug and work 10 hours straight there and enjoying the production. So I never get sold on a newer MacBook Pro on battery time, NO WAY. I'm only sold on processing speed, portability and I can adapt to it, even if they said it would last just one hour on a single charge, I never ever worry about it. I take my laptop, mouse, and power cord, and I'm VERY happy because I have a fast computer, that has me productive, making tons of money satisfying my clients with my talent and I can just stay at starbucks working like 10 hours straight. Besides that battery time never talks about how many hours it can last with using Pro App using so much processing power, battery power, etc. I always plug in no matter what. I may just use battery only to take notes at a meeting when I bring along my MacBook pro, but when I work on an intense project, I never ever depend or worry about how long my MacBook Pro should last on a single charge alone. If one needs to be a pro, then expect to always use power plug to get you through the day. Portability is the main key. Make sure to have either plug or extra battery pack to plug into when using pro apps. If you're simply using for watching Video streaming, net browsing, taking simple notes, or any NON PRO app, you might as well invest in an iPad. They do last almost all day without charge or long standbys. If you want to do Pro things one should get a desktop level that you can't take anywhere else but have the means of processing power. So I don't know WHY people need to complain about MacBook Pro that's meant for processing power and portability. If anything my 2011 MacBook Pro doesn't last 2 hours, if I'm running 10 apps at once like adobe, 4 different bowsers, email, html editor, FTP, etc etc. if I'm lucky before I need to plug in, but I have NOOOOO problem because I can still be productive ALLLL DAAAY LOOONG, just simply plugging into the power wall. No big deal. I still cannot wait to get the New 2016 soon, but waiting for Apple to clear up some bugs which always been my case to do. I never buy a fresh off the boat Apple product until after 2 to 4 months because that's when everyone has bought their's early on, and a few bugs and problems rise up and Apple reacts to fixing those and it settles. Then I get it, and I never had problem after that. Just my 2 cents.
 
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It pains me to see Apple take this route. I used to look forward to Mac hardware releases, now I simply don't care as I wouldn't buy any Mac systems. While I'll (most likely) never give up my iPhone and iPad, I'm done with their computers. I'm currently looking at some gaming laptops such as MSI or ASUS as they fill my requirements much better and for a lot less money.
 
Definitely. Having several duds in the first run batch of a completely redesigned product makes a soon to be obsolete, 2012 Air a no brainer.

Lol yeah because Apple hasn't had class action lawsuits and major repair programs for new models of a particular product.

:rolleyes:

I'm tempted to pick up the new shiny as much as anyone but not if it means taking several steps back in terms of functionality and then dealing with a bunch of headaches.
 
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