Probably yes, Apple's Thunderbolt 2 to ethernet worked with Apple's Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 dongle. Unfortunately it didn't work with MiniDP to DP port which was what I needed. So no 4k solution to DP port available so far that I could find.
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MacBook Pro With Touch Bar Now Available for Purchase at Some Apple Retail Stores
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Probably yes, Apple's Thunderbolt 2 to ethernet worked with Apple's Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 2 dongle. Unfortunately it didn't work with MiniDP to DP port which was what I needed. So no 4k solution to DP port available so far that I could find.
Just passed by Apple Store in Bruxelles, Belgium... These guys have no display model for neither of the touch bar models, and they don't know when they will receive it.
The overall knowledge of the salesman working there seems to be way below other Apple store employes worldwide, they can barely make the difference between a HDD and SSD, I was hearing one of them selling a 11' MB Air to a woman, it's devastating...
The overall knowledge of the salesman working there seems to be way below other Apple store employes worldwide, they can barely make the difference between a HDD and SSD, I was hearing one of them selling a 11' MB Air to a woman, it's devastating...
Awesome, nothing says "Pro" more than this....
Hilarious. First you whine that you will need one dongle if you get a new MBP. Despite the fact you already use a dongle on your existing one...so there will be no difference. Then you link an image to a PC. :lol: that takes whining to a whole new level of stupidity
Yup, and the important thing is "might". USB-C/TB3 has the potential to be the universal port of the future, it also has the potential to be a train wreck of compatibility issues that are beyond the comprehension of the typical consumer (DisplayPort alt mode vs. HDMI alt mode vs. DisplayPort-alt-mode-to-HDMI vs. DisplayPort-over-TB3 anybody? Can USB-C hub X provide enough power to run Laptop Y?) - buying an all-USB-C device is a leap of faith.
And also - re. these "floppy drive" comparisons: you're quite right, the floppy drive was already obsolete, at least outside of ultra-conservative corporate environments, when Apple dropped it - it simply didn't have enough capacity. People were already using email to exchange the sort of small files that would fit on a floppy, and CD-R for anything bigger. In fact, Apple had been phasing floppy drives out of laptops for a couple of years before the iMac/iBook appeared: the old G3 laptops let you swap out the floppy drive for an extra battery, third-party Zip drives etc. and I'm pretty sure that they'd stopped shipping the floppy module as standard pre-iMac. I think they called it about right on the optical drive, too - you might have needed one external optical drive in a cupboard back at base, but most people certainly didn't need one on the road, plus those slimline optical drives had a life expectancy of about 6 months anyway, so not having one as an integral part of your laptop was a good idea.
However, by absolutely no stretch of the imagination (except for a few echo-chambered minds at Apple) are the USB-A port, DisplayPort, HDMI or SD slot "legacy". Many of us use multiple USB-A devices daily.
I'm certainly considering buying one... but every day macrumors brings another little disappointment (soldered-in SSD*, only marginally better benchmarks, 5k display with LG's styling and Apple's gimped connectivity, 4k display that isn't TB3, price, special offer on adapters & displays that will probably be over before we can try out the new machines in-store or read honest reviews, price, no startup chime, price, no illuminated Apple logo). Even trivial things add up.
(* I've had nearly 6 years out of my 2011 MBP, largely because I was able to upgrade it to a new storage technology - SSD - half way through its life. If, in 2-3 years time, everybody is rocking 5TB XPoint drives, this new MBP will be landfill).
Mostly, I'm waiting until the other shoe drops and the new iMacs/Minis turn up so I can decide between a fully tricked-out laptop vs. a powerful desktop + basic laptop. If they don't appear in a few months, I'll conclude that - however many MBPs Tim can shift to the faithful on launch day so they can use the touch bar to insert emojis in their tweets - the MacOS ecosystem is in terminal decline and won't be fit for serious use in a few years time.
Here:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/costs-and-value-of-usb-c.2014209/
...cost £400 if I do it with adapters/cables, £500 with docks. That's assuming I buy before Apple ends the special offer on adapters & cables.
That gets me to the position that I don't have to carry anything I didn't before. Things like - I don't currently need to carry my PSU to and from work, because I have an ACD with magsafe power supply there, and Apple wants £100 for a spare PSU + charge cable. Could I scrape by on less? Probably - but then I could probably "scrape by" with a £500 PC laptop and I can certainly "scrape by" with my current Mac kit. I don't pay £3000 for a new system and expect to "scrape by"... and I'll still have to get out a dongle when somebody at a meeting hands me a USB stick. Sorry, but £400-£500 "hidden cost" to actually make good use of a new bit of expensive kit is something that influences my purchasing decisions.
Yeah, I'm reserving judgement until I can get hands-on (and/or we start seeing honest reviews by publications that don't rely on early access favours from Apple), but that touchpad looks like an embodiment of the "if big was good, bigger must be better" fallacy. The ArsTechnica review made a glancing reference to "palm rejection problems"...
Here's a free idea for Apple: remove the keyboard, remove the touchbar, remove the touchpad and embed an iPad Pro in the lower half of the clamshell to serve as a completely context sensitive, Pencil-compatible input device. Do your best on haptics for the on-screen keyboard: it won't be much worse than a limited-travel keyboard. That would be courageous. That would be "thinking different"... er, wait, no, it would be a Nintendo DS, but still...
OK I'll bite ...... Firstly I wasn't whining, I was stating a fact and also having an opinion. I suggest you look up the definitions of those words.
Secondly, you were the one to stated that everyone should basically shut up about dongles due to the fact you upgraded from a machine where you already had to use dongles .... hardly a representative sample of the majority of users who have been waiting for this MBP refresh
Thirdly, yes I have to use A dongle currently. I also use SD cards and USB sticks and HDMI which will require MORE dongles than I have to use now.
And finally, you think I didn't know it was a PC? Here's another pic for you....
Are we really excited about a touch bar when the Windows guys get a touch screen?
I might be done with Apple. I pay a premium for their products and i am okay with that to an extent, but when I replace my hard drive with a NON Apple brand, and they continually put things in their code to disable trim support, then that is unacceptable. Can I get around this...yes, but I shouldn't have to. Also, every update comes with an issue, and the latest is battery life and heat with my Sierra update. My wife has a Dell, and admit, other than the mouse it is almost better in every way
. I feel almost dirty making this statement, but it is what it is.
I might be done with Apple. I pay a premium for their products and i am okay with that to an extent, but when I replace my hard drive with a NON Apple brand, and they continually put things in their code to disable trim support, then that is unacceptable. Can I get around this...yes, but I shouldn't have to. Also, every update comes with an issue, and the latest is battery life and heat with my Sierra update. My wife has a Dell, and admit, other than the mouse it is almost better in every way
. I feel almost dirty making this statement, but it is what it is.
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It's about being an *actual professional*, being properly prepared, and bringing the correct equipment with you.
It's a lot more than $300 extra, but whatever. Here's the deal: the MBP does not feature the highest amount of processing power. It's GPU is anemic compared to other pro laptops. It features less maximum RAM than competing laptops. The storage is gimped compared to other pro laptops, which feature dual SSD slots. The display is relatively small and low res compared to the 17" 4K competition.
The MBP is a consumer laptop that when configured is priced higher than professional alternatives. Apple is years behind the Windows side.
At this point they should just cancel Mac development and license OS X to a real computer hardware company. Apple obviously hate Macs so everyone would be happier.
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Wow, seriously? The SSD is soldered in now?
I didn't catch that when reading about it.....
That definitely makes me want to take a pass on this one, then. I definitely want a larger storage capacity like 1TB but won't pay the "Apple premium" for it. I was hoping to buy one with a smaller drive and upgrade with a 3rd. party option like I did with an earlier Retina 15" Pro, using an SSD from Transcend.
I didn't catch that when reading about it.....
That definitely makes me want to take a pass on this one, then. I definitely want a larger storage capacity like 1TB but won't pay the "Apple premium" for it. I was hoping to buy one with a smaller drive and upgrade with a 3rd. party option like I did with an earlier Retina 15" Pro, using an SSD from Transcend.
I was able to grab a base 13" MBP with Touch Bar at the Soho Apple Store in NYC a bit ago. Looks like in-store selection is mixed in terms of availability. I was told they should all be on display tomorrow morning.
For those bummed out by all the negativity on these threads, do actually go into an Apple store.... it's interesting and eerie at the same time, but no one seems to complain about anything! (I've visited locations in NJ, NY, CA, VA, and Chicago). They either walk away, or pony up the payment options
OK. So let's follow that through logically.
Before: to be prepared as "an *actual professional*", one would bring the MacBook Pro. And maybe a couple of adapters for things that are now fairly niche for many users like Firewire or Ethernet.
Now: to be prepared one must bring the MBP plus a bag full of additional adapters for completely dominant standards that will still be dominant long after these MacBook Pros are obsolete, such as USB-A, SD cards and HDMI, or else a hefty dock. That's an improvement, is it?
If the purpose of the machine being thinner and lighter is to make it take up less volume and weigh less, is that not undermined by requiring the extra clutter and weight of adapters that one, by your own argument, now requires to bring everywhere in order to be "properly prepared"?
[doublepost=1479319837][/doublepost]I ordered my new MBPro 15 inch on line and WAS given the option for in store pickup which I selected. Email will be sent me when the computer is available for pickup and an estimated/actual pick up date was given me. (I ordered the evening of day the new MBPro was announced and date for pickup was given as 12/2/2016
Just a day after the first MacBook Pro with Touch Bar orders began arriving to customers, a select number of Apple retail stores have received stock and are offering limited quantities of the new machine.
MacRumors reader Nicholas was able to purchase a new 15-inch MacBook Pro at the Apple Store in La Brea, California, and according to a Reddit thread, several other stores across California have also been selling Touch Bar MacBook Pro models. New MacBook Pros have been spotted in Rancho Cucamonga, Fairview, Emeryville, and Walnut Creek, and one Redditor claims to have purchased a 13-inch MacBook Pro from the Soho Apple Store in New York, while a MacRumors reader says he found a MacBook Pro in New Jersey.
In other parts of the United States, stores do not yet have Touch Bar MacBook Pro models available for purchase, but multiple customers have been told to expect the machines to be in stock starting tomorrow. At some locations, however, customers have been told no MacBook Pro models will be available before Thanksgiving, so country-wide in-store availability may not happen for a few weeks.
Along with limited stock, Apple retail stores are expected to have display models on hand before the end of the week. In Hong Kong, the Touch Bar MacBook Pro has been on display since yesterday, and several customers have reported being told that display models will be in stores as soon as Wednesday.
In store pickup is not available for the new MacBook Pros, so customers hoping to skip the 4 to 5 week wait for a Touch Bar machine will need to call or visit an Apple retail store in person to check stock levels.
Article Link: MacBook Pro With Touch Bar Now Available for Purchase at Some Apple Retail Stores
... as if it was a status symbol purchasing an overpriced crippled down machine. ;-) clever people afford property, boats, cars, women. not a laptop. just wannabees dizz other people about affordability in the context of a laptop. ridiculous.
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Only two? Expect Tim to be disappointed. ^^
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or ... maybe he's clever, got a million on his bank account and just doesn't want to spend a cent on an overpriced, crippled down machine ...
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I just picked up a 13" MacBook Pro w/ Touch Bar from my local Best Buy (Spring Valley- Two Notch Rd - Columbia, SC). They had 3 in stock before I picked up mine at 12:15pm local time. Since there is no Apple Store in Columbia (WHY???), Best Buy was my only local option.
I played with the keyboard of a non-touch bar model at the store and it felt good to me but I haven't had an opportunity to open mine yet. I had to go back to work after buying it.
Funny... it seems like with anything new Apple product these days... Apple announces...people complain (a lot here on MRs)... record sales achieved.
Personally... I wish the new MBP's we're $500 cheaper, but they do seem to be selling well.
Personally... I wish the new MBP's we're $500 cheaper, but they do seem to be selling well.
OMG sounds like torture not being able to unbox it immediately ;-)
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initial sales being high is normal. short term records by early adopters isn't everything, though. - look what happened to apple watch: big sales in the beginning, then "meh ..." to the point where they even closed down e.g. the apple watch store in Lafayette galeries.
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