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💻 👨‍💻 🌎 MacBook Pros 14-Inch and 16-Inch Pre-orders, Orders and Delivery Status Thread - USA & Other Countries (2021) 👩‍💻 💻 🌏

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What size screen MacBook Pro (2021) did you order?

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The reason I mention this is history, and managing expectations.

Apple didn't allow GPU upgrades in the recent high end Intel 13" MBP. You could only get a GPU upgrade in the 16".
Similarly, Apple didn't allow 64 GB in the recent high end Intel 13" MBP. You could only get 64 GB in the 16".

We'll see what Apple does this time around, but I'm not optimistic they'll change this practice. It probably doesn't make much financial sense for Apple to add those SKUs for the few people that might actually buy them.
 
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Especially in these times. Too many sku's = mac sitting on boats in the harbor.

(yes I know apple flies them in. but still, they need to sit somewhere)
 
macsplusmacs said:
Especially in these times. Too many sku's = mac sitting on boats in the harbor.

(yes I know apple flies them in. but still, they need to sit somewhere)
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That's the fun part: some of them may not be sitting on Apple's property. I mean, think of how many Amazon brings in to sell.. They could be sitting in Amazon's warehouse, taking up space and collecting dust.. That's what Amazon has to sell or recycle, unless they send back to Apple.

BL.
 
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macsplusmacs said:
Especially in these times. Too many sku's = mac sitting on boats in the harbor.

(yes I know apple flies them in. but still, they need to sit somewhere)
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reduce the SKU's and have build to order.

I am pretty sure the single reason the Pro machines had different specs is the size of the chassis. If they are able to match the SKU's accross both 14 & 16 with customisation surely it would be easier for them?
Its all a matter of can they do it rather than should they.

BTW wasnt the 12" Powerbook full spec [ie with a GPU etc] ?
 
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richinaus said:
reduce the SKU's and have build to order.

I am pretty sure the single reason the Pro machines had different specs is the size of the chassis. If they are able to match the SKU's accross both 14 & 16 with customisation surely it would be easier for them?
Its all a matter of can they do it rather than should they.
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That doesn't make sense. You need unique SKUs because everything's soldered on. These are not modular machines. Every single combo you can order from Apple represents a different logic board + chip combination. Remember, the GPU is integrated right into the SoC, and the RAM is soldered into the same package. This makes sense, since it's a shared memory configuration, with both the CPU and GPU sharing the same RAM.

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On the left of the picture, you see the M1, which includes GPU built into it, and on the right you see the RAM chips soldered to the same package. Also, even the SSD is soldered onto the logic board (not in this pic).

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IOW, in reality, there is no such thing as build-to-order. Basically what you are doing on the configure-to-order webpage at Apple is selecting which specific unique SKU you will get.
 
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That doesn't make sense. You need unique SKUs because everything's soldered on. These are not modular machines. Every single combo you can order from Apple represents a different logic board + chip combination. Remember, the GPU is integrated right into the SoC, and the RAM is soldered into the same package. This makes sense, since it's a shared memory configuration, with both the CPU and GPU sharing the same RAM.

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On the left of the picture, you see the M1, which includes GPU built into it, and on the right you see the RAM chips soldered to the same package. Also, even the SSD is soldered onto the logic board (not in this pic).

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IOW, in reality, there is no such thing as build-to-order. Basically what you are doing on the configure-to-order webpage at Apple is selecting which specific unique SKU you will get.
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Fair enough.

knowing apple we will get minimum choice.
 
EugW said:
That doesn't make sense. You need unique SKUs because everything's soldered on. These are not modular machines. Every single combo you can order from Apple represents a different logic board + chip combination. Remember, the GPU is integrated right into the SoC, and the RAM is soldered into the same package. This makes sense, since it's a shared memory configuration, with both the CPU and GPU sharing the same RAM.

View attachment 1862787

On the left of the picture, you see the M1, which includes GPU built into it, and on the right you see the RAM chips soldered to the same package. Also, even the SSD is soldered onto the logic board (not in this pic).

View attachment 1862792

IOW, in reality, there is no such thing as build-to-order. Basically what you are doing on the configure-to-order webpage at Apple is selecting which specific unique SKU you will get.
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now can you generate a schematic with the SoC that contains M1x with 64gbRam and 32 gpu cores? On my calculations is close to double the M1 size die...for people to understand why not have high hopes for this thing to come into the 14"
 

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LFC2020 said:
Has there ever been a event announcement while a product is being launch?

Can’t see apple announcing the mac event this week, since it’s Apple Watch launch week. 🤔
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There have been events where it was launched that day, yes. July 2011 had the announcement and release of the mid-2011 MBA, along with OSX Lion. Both were available that day. However, they don't follow that trend anymore, especially over the last 4-6 years.

They won't do it next week, because Google. They could possibly do it the week after, but they'd cannibalize their own news cycle because of their earnings call. So that leaves the first week or second week of November.

BL.
 
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richinaus said:
knowing apple we will get minimum choice.
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There's a reason for that. One of the things that almost killed the Apple of old was offering people choice on top of choice to the point that people had trouble identifying any difference between the top of the line product and the low end one.

One of the first things that Steve Jobs did upon returning to Apple was kill off vanity projects and prune the branches off excessively branched products.
 
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BTW wasnt the 12" Powerbook full spec [ie with a GPU etc] ?
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Not really, at least not for the early 2005 models.

Base CPU was the same (1.5 GHz G4) on the 12" and 15", but the 15" could be upgraded to 1.67 GHz G4, which was also the base CPU for the 17".

Base RAM was 512 MB for all three, but could be expanded to 2 GB on the 15" and 17", but limited to 1.25 GB on the 12".

The 15" and 17" both came with a Radeon 9700, but the 12" had a GeForce FX Go5200.

No FireWire 800 or gigabit Ethernet on the 12".

The 12" was my favorite Mac of all time along with the G4 Cube right up until the 11" MacBook Air was released.

I am now eagerly waiting to go mobile Mac again. I will replace my 2017 5K iMac with a 14", planning on 32 GB and 4 TB assuming it is offered and the price isn't astronomical.

The dream for me would be a one-more-thing 10" (but I'd be happy with 12" too) with the same internals (a single Thunderbolt port and much smaller battery would be fine) as the larger ones.
 
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richinaus said:
No matter what happens, this is my most anticipated Apple announcement for a very long time, due to the possibilities.
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Me too. I was looking forward very much to the 16" and everything was great, until it turned out it was a pizza oven. That should not happen now. Fingers very much crossed, of course, because development of a new chip and laptop platform at the same time is risky for anybody. They've pulled it off with the M1 devices, but there is no guarantee in electronics of getting it right twice in a row.

Anyway, still very much anticipating it. To that extend that I'm actually considering selling my 16" while the announcement isn't out yet, to pick up perhaps €1-200 extra over what I can get after the announcement. "Most powerful macbook ever" etc, you know. I could reinstall my 13" late 2013 and see if it can take my workload...
 
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One of the things that almost killed the Apple of old was offering people choice on top of choice to the point that people had trouble identifying any difference between the top of the line product and the low end one.
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Not to mention products that were actually identical, like the Quadra 605, Performa 475 and LC (low cost) 475.
 
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bradl said:
They could possibly do it the week after, but they'd cannibalize their own news cycle because of their earnings call. So that leaves the first week or second week of November.
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We’ve been over this. Apple in 2018 had their October event with the earnings call two days later. No reason for them to block out a whole week just for earnings call coverage.
 
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Wait, I’ve been wrong this whole time! I thought Apple had an earnings call scheduled for Wednesday the 27th, but it’s actually scheduled for Thursday the 28th.

In 2018 Apple had their October event announcing the brand new iPad Pro, MacBook Air and Mac mini on Tuesday, October 30th followed by their Q4 earnings call two days later on Thursday, November 1st. If we don’t see invites by Thursday I think an event on the 26th with invites the 19th is all but set in stone.
 
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TheYayAreaLiving said:
9to5 posted this article. MacBook is coming! Just hang tight.

9to5mac.com

16-inch MacBook Pro unavailable or delayed at many stores - 9to5Mac

The 16-inch MacBook Pro is showing as unavailable for pickup at many Apple stores, with online orders showing delayed shipping too ...
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Already being discussed here in this MacRumors thread from yesterday:

forums.macrumors.com

M1X Mac presentation announcement tomorrow?

Delays in 16".... My inner magic 8 ball says "Signs point to yes"
forums.macrumors.com forums.macrumors.com
 
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I hope Apple can deliver systems in a reasonable time. I have had a car on order since April 2021 and may get it in March 2022. The likely cause is the lack of chips for the various computers in the vehicle.
 
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I hope Apple can deliver systems in a reasonable time. I have had a car on order since April 2021 and may get it in March 2022. The likely cause is the lack of chips for the various computers in the vehicle.
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because Apple has the 75% manufacture of TSMC until 2023, thats why all others companies have delays
Again, Apple could have some, but not as big as the others
For the mbp, could be some delays but due to the displays and not the SoC since those are already in production probably for weeks..and again mbp doesnt sell as big as the iphones. So dont worry about it...you get yours this year for sure (again, if apple announce them this month)
 
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Serban55 said:
because Apple has the 75% manufacture of TSMC until 2023, thats why all others companies have delays
Again, Apple could have some, but not as big as the others
For the mbp, could be some delays but due to the displays and not the SoC since those are already in production probably for weeks..and again mbp doesnt sell as big as the iphones. So dont worry about it...you get yours this year for sure (again, if apple announce them this month)
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I hope you are right, but being here in Silicon Valley, my friends and neighbors in the semi and electronic product biz are seeing issues with much more than processors. The various support chips are also in short supply.

The good thing for anyone in the chip biz is product companies are willing to pay 2 to 3 times the normal price to try to lock up some supply.
 
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