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I'm shocked at all this "Windows on a Mac" crap.

Half of the experience of working on a Mac is the hardware, the other half is the software. The superiority of the Mac OS overwealms Windows in most areas.

The ONLY reason people want Windows on a Mac is because they want to use programs made for Windows. Put Windows on a Mac and kiss your reliability and security goodbye.

Why doesn't everyone concentrait on convincing the PROGRAMMERS to come up with some more programs for the Mac OS?

Windows on a Mac is like putting regular unleaded in a high-performance engine. Sure, it'll work, and everyone's happy because it's cheaper and easily available, but don't bitch when your engine suddenly starts sputtering and then dies.
 
I seriously doubt that it would get hot enough to burn you. I have a dell xps laptop with a 3.4 ghz p4 ht. It gets very hot but not hot enough to burn my lap. So i dont think its something to build a fence around to keep your children safe.
 
Apple knows how to run Windows apps on the new Mac but dont want to be the ones who introduce it, It would be bad buisness. They are waiting for the hackers to crack it.

I wouldn't be surprised if they quietly leak the info to one lucky hacker to speed things up a bit.😉
 
I think it's kinda surprising the MBPs are in high demand. The prices are super high! and bearing in mind there's hardly any pro apps for intel yet.
 
godbout said:
I personally do not want my mac to be able to dual boot windows. Not only is it inconvienent to have to reboot your system to use the one or two programs that are windows only but I feel that many users (especially people new to the mac) might end up with macs running just windows and not OS X, then why would vendors be pushed to write OS X programs?

I doubt many people would buy expensive Apple hardware just to boot into Windows and not use OS X. There are many PC manufacturers who make equally sexy laptops.
 
BornAgainMac said:
Anyone use this program to run Windows on your MBP / iMac?
http://openosx.com/wintel/index.html

I don't hear much about it.

if you search around net, you'll find all angry customers and bad reviews. They made a false statement about "native" program. And the performance right now is far from native, but they promise that they'll improve it very soon in the future.
 
Macrumors said:
According to their survey, if Apple were to make it easy for Macs to run Windows the number of students purchasing a Mac would double (24.7% to 44% in the survey).

The potential ability for the new Intel Macs to run Windows has drawn a lot of attention and controversy amongst Mac users.

I'm curious as to whether or not this will ever happen. It makes sense from many standpoints to allow this in one form or another. I can't help but think that Steve Jobs believes the Apple's OS to be so superior that allowing or advocating such a thing as using Windows on a Mac would be vulgar at best.

I could be wrong, but it feels like there's simply too much pride involved with this issue to allow it to take place. I would like it if the option was available to me but only because Windows is so entrenched in the world. If I had the option to break that stranglehold or dual boot, I'd gladly cut off the hydra's heads.
 
MacAficionado said:
Running Windows on a Mac defeats the purpose. That is up there, in the most retarded things to do list. Why can't people just get one of these great new HP's or Dells to continue running Windows?

I mean, I hope they purchase the Macs, but I also hope they use the OS that comes with it and realize just how superior it is to that ****** product from Microsoft.

I can't believe people are so ignorant and just don't get it!

I have to use Windows for certain apps every single day for work. I like OS X better than windows. You're saying it's retarded because I can just buy a Dell along side my Mac. Do you really think I want two completely different computers under my desk???

jeez
 
wine rocks

to me, installing two os on one machines just doesn't work. It's very exciting to have them both but swithing back and forth is just lame.

I'm still waiting for the formal release of winehq and darwine. They should be the ideal solution eventually. 😎
 
mark88 said:
I doubt many people would buy expensive Apple hardware just to boot into Windows and not use OS X. There are many PC manufacturers who make equally sexy laptops.
CHALLANGE!!!
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Running windows on mac.

Seriously, why run Windows on a Mac?

Are there not enough hardware manufactures that support Windows exclusively? Why people even run windows anymore is beyond me.

Remember the old, "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?" commercial?

It should be, "How man clicks does it take to remove a program from your computer?"

windows >> START > CONTROLPANEL > ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS > PROGRAM NAME >> CLICK REMOVE >> CLICK ARE YOUR SURE >> YOU MUST REBOOT FOR THESE CHANGES TO TAKE EFFECT!


Total 6 clicks ( +too long of delay from rebooting)

apple os x >> FINDER > APPLICATIONS > DRAG-N-DROP TO TRASH

Total 3 clicks

This is only one point in too many to mention, as to why OS X is far more Superior than Windows.

Running Windows is like going inside of Mcdonalds to place an order!
Running OS X is express access thru the Drive-Thru!

Is it lunch yet?
 
comments on above

1. openosx is just a graphical user interface slapped on top of "Q"--you can get it for free http://www.kberg.ch/q/

2. many of the MBPs run hot at first since spotlight is indexing the disk-- did the heat problem continue??
 
budward said:
I recently received my macbook from apple ( 2 days ago ) I used it for 30 minutes and it got so hot that it's not even useable. Maybe people that live in Canada ( Where it is cold ) won't notice it, but I live in Florida. I am also scared that my kids can get burned if they touch it.
The bottom is super hot, as is the left front where you would rest your hand while typing. I called Apple to return it and they told me that I selected the faster hardrive, in being so they wont return it.
try run temperature monitor and activity monitor(see which app is causing this issue; sometime bad website or bad app will burn your mac), if the video die around 50'C(sorry I don't use 'F), it should be fine. Don't run games, ex. any blizzard game, they're the killers, I usually just put a icebag underneath it if I plan to play game. I think the fan won't kick in before 50.

p.s I don't have macbook, the above just applys to my powerbook G4
 
you know what? there's a thing called consumer rights. if you're unhappy with a product you have a right to return it. apple won't deny you that. mentioning lawsuits because something gets hot (come on, ovens can get really hot too, but nobody complains through the courts about them) is just naive.[/QUOTE]

Apple told me they refuse to take it back! They won't because I so called customized it by selecting the 7200RPM drive.

Duh? That is all I want to do is return it. The Class Action is mentioned because Apple refused me my "Comsumer Rights" as you call them.

Comparison of a Oven to a Computer? We'll I won't insult you.. you did a good enough job.
 
An Apple a day...

chepistolas said:
wahoo! 10 % market share!

I know so many of my collegues that would get an apple if its able to run Windows.


"An" apple is a fruit.

"Apple" is the computer company that makes "Macs".
 
budward said:
windows >> START > CONTROLPANEL > ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS > PROGRAM NAME >> CLICK REMOVE >> CLICK ARE YOUR SURE >> YOU MUST REBOOT FOR THESE CHANGES TO TAKE EFFECT!


Total 6 clicks ( +too long of delay from rebooting)

apple os x >> FINDER > APPLICATIONS > DRAG-N-DROP TO TRASH

Total 3 clicks

So so wrong!!!

START > PROGRAMS > [THE PROGRAM] > UNINSTALL most of the time. And you do not need to reboot

Besides, to say that every application on OS X can be uninstalled by simply deleting the app is totally wrong. Since using OS X I've noticed various methods required for uninstalling applications:

1. Just delete the app
2. Manually delete the app and it's related pref files
3. Run an uninstaller from the apps HELP menu
4. Run an uninstaller that's included in the apps Folder(ie, speed download)
5. Run an uninstaller that's contained within the apps installer(ie, Fireworks 8). This is by far the worst one as it means you have to keep the installer hanging around

To say removing applications is simply a case of deleting the app is not always the case.
 
ErnieFrance4 said:
I switched my freshman year of college and since then most of my friends have as well. It is funny that once someone takes the plunge and people can see it in action how many of their friends will be getting them as well. More power to Apple. I would love to see my campus filled with Macs as opposed to lab after lab of crappy dells. I go to UGA and they just love buying dells and sticking them everywhere. I bought a laptop just so i wouldn't have to use them.

Ah yes. College life. I remember at U.Va. when the only Mac labs were deep in the bowels of the Ed School and not even available 24-hours a day (like almost all the other labs), which basically meant I only used the PCs to access gopher servers at use-nets and stuff us old people use to use to get information. Everything else I did at home on Mac Classic II.
 
godbout said:
I personally do not want my mac to be able to dual boot windows. Not only is it inconvienent to have to reboot your system to use the one or two programs that are windows only but I feel that many users (especially people new to the mac) might end up with macs running just windows and not OS X, then why would vendors be pushed to write OS X programs?
about.

I completely agree. I think mac software would become increasingly harder to find. Soon Macs would just turn into beautiful machines that just run Windows Vista and it's programs.
 
ErnieFrance4 said:
I switched my freshman year of college and since then most of my friends have as well. It is funny that once someone takes the plunge and people can see it in action how many of their friends will be getting them as well. More power to Apple. I would love to see my campus filled with Macs as opposed to lab after lab of crappy dells. I go to UGA and they just love buying dells and sticking them everywhere. I bought a laptop just so i wouldn't have to use them.

My boyfriend is going to UGA (oh noes - he dates an Auburn girl!), and I won't let him settle for those crappy Dells there. The same thing happened to me as far as making the switch over at Auburn...all of the sudden, friends started showing up at Panera with Macs.
 
The Options

There are three major options, two of which, at this stage, are "not working".

Option 1 is to run Windows in an emulator like VMWare. This is already possible on PowerPC machines, and the speed is okay for "serious" apps on faster PowerPC based machines. It's not terribly desirable as most of us have no great liking of putting entire desktops inside windows, and full screen seems like the worst of all worlds - it's slower than the real thing, but you can't "run" Mac apps (well, you can, but they're not accessable while VMWare/etc are up, so they might as well not be running.)

Option 2 is to run Windows as a seperate operating system. This will be possible eventually on Intel based machines, but isn't today, despite the best efforts of thousands of hackers (in the positive sense: Woz, not Mitnick) across the world. This one has various implications:

- If a user spends a lot of time in Windows, they'll probably migrate there permanently (because that's what the rest of the world uses), whereas if they spend a lot of time in Mac OS X, they'll probably still occasionally boot into Windows to run the app that's only available in Windows because that's what the rest of the world uses.
- OS X is unavailable while Windows is running, it's an either/or, and the switch isn't painless. Unreal Tournament runs better in OS 9 on my PowerBook than it (the Carbon version) does under OS X, but I rarely boot into OS 9. Lose all my browser tabs? Close all my terminal sessions? Just to play a game?
- On the positive note, Windows is running as fast as it can, and is 100% compatable with all software that runs on that hardware. This is the only practical option that runs games, for instance.

3. An Windows API for Mac OS X

This is already under development, though you'll probably need to use it with X11. It's called WINE. In concept, it's not far different from Classic. The API implementation maintains windows (just as Classic's windows looked unrelated to Aqua), and the GUI looks similar to Windows. The major issue with this approach is compatability. WINE's developers are continually playing catch up. Some of this is alleviated by the fact WINE can use a real Windows installation for the majority of the APIs if one is available, but you have to be able to install Windows to begin with to make this work.

For some types of app, the programs will run at near full speed compared to option 2. For others, the programs will not run at all, or will crawl. While some progress was done adapting Windows games to the platform by Transgaming, the entire notion you have to adapt the games should tell you how compatable this is as an option. And if you thought OS 9 apps looked a little out of place under Classic, just think how ugly Windows apps will look under OS X, with their menus at the top of each window, for instance. Windows is document centric, not application centric like OS X, and this will also make integrating the two grating for end-users.

Leaving that side, the major consequences of this approach (which is going to happen) are:

- Smaller shops will see little value in porting their apps to two platforms if their app written for one runs "acceptably" under the other.
- Switchers will find that only some of their existing Windows apps run under their new Macs, and will be disappointed.
- But users will generally have less incentive to run Windows as a seperate operating system on their computers.

All three options will be available in the near future. The first is ready now, with varying degrees of usability (the person who thinks Office only uses 1% of CPU because, er, that's what it uses when idling, will probably find BOCHS on a 266MHz G3 fine for their needs *snort*); the second will almost certainly be available in a form blessed by Microsoft once Vista comes out, and the third is being worked on and, to a certain extent, I'm surprised it's not out already - but it's far from ideal.

The other wildcard with all of this is .NET. As time goes by, more and more Microsoft software will be written for the .NET platform, a supposedly platform independent high-level API inspired by the Java system. While Mono, a free-software implementation of .NET, is available today, it's X11 dependent and any app running under it will appear to be butt-ugly under Mac OS X, just as with those using Wine. However, .NET is high-level enough (like Java), for it to be reasonable to suggest a native OS X version of Mono might actually run .NET apps so they integrate better with the UI. Like Java apps, they'll always have quirks, but, well, I don't know about you, but the majority of Java programs I see running under OS X are acceptable, and there's no reason to think the same will not be true of .NET.

That doesn't affect things today that much. In five years though, it may make a world of difference.
 
bigandy said:
on what grounds? i'm sure that's all that's needed is another class action lawsuit on completely stupid grounds. yes, a laptop with a fast processor will get hot. yes, an ipod will get scratched. it's called logic.

it's like people that have taken legal action against cigarette companies after contracting health issues (cancer/whatever), because they've not adequately warned them, DESPITE the HUGE notice on the front of the packet saying "SMOKING CAUSES CANCER", "SMOKING KILLS" or something similar.

only in america. 🙄

you know what? there's a thing called consumer rights. if you're unhappy with a product you have a right to return it. apple won't deny you that. mentioning lawsuits because something gets hot (come on, ovens can get really hot too, but nobody complains through the courts about them) is just naive.

come on, seriously you never used laptop in a regular bases, did you? A hot laptop is not a good 'lap' 'top'; you don't put a cooking pan on your lap. Another example, how about a hot spicy super powerful PDA. I think you get the idea.
 
Too hot? I ran mine for 2 hours last night on my lap and it wasn't any different from my rev. A Titanium Powerbook (G4-400). I've got no problem using the standard MacBook Pro 2G Hz system.

As for windows, I also am using Q -- wow! its faster than VPC on my desktop system...an its free!!! I've loaded both a Windows 2K pro image and Windows XP pro image and they are both a lot more responsive than VPC has been. It'll even be faster when the virtualization patch is finished.
 
budward said:
Seriously, why run Windows on a Mac?

Are there not enough hardware manufactures that support Windows exclusively? Why people even run windows anymore is beyond me.

Remember the old, "How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?" commercial?

It should be, "How man clicks does it take to remove a program from your computer?"

windows >> START > CONTROLPANEL > ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS > PROGRAM NAME >> CLICK REMOVE >> CLICK ARE YOUR SURE >> YOU MUST REBOOT FOR THESE CHANGES TO TAKE EFFECT!


Total 6 clicks ( +too long of delay from rebooting)

apple os x >> FINDER > APPLICATIONS > DRAG-N-DROP TO TRASH

Total 3 clicks

This is only one point in too many to mention, as to why OS X is far more Superior than Windows.

Running Windows is like going inside of Mcdonalds to place an order!
Running OS X is express access thru the Drive-Thru!

Is it lunch yet?


+Empty Trash +Are you sure? = 5 clicks
+ not knowing if the whole application is really gone = priceless
 
m-dogg said:
Once you get a taste of that OS X goodness, why would you even want to dual-boot into Windows?

Some people NEED to run apps ONLY available for Winblows. One example is Autocad.

One COULD just buy two computers, but if there was a system Apple implements to run flavors of windows along side OSX one could bypass Autodesk's failure to port to OSX.

Many "critical" applications have the same limitation.

Heck, some run on DOS 🙂

Show me how to run --APPLE-- Mac Draw on OSX!

Rocketman
 
mithras said:
Tell me where the 30% of stores *without* a waitlist are, and I'll run to one! (Or are those merely the ones that haven't received any shipments yet?)

Many CompUSA's have both available, I know 3+ in this area with them in stock right now.
 
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